> Actually, experience or not, there’s no way for a Harad who
> wants to combine his navies at 2734 to be certain of avoiding
> an uncommunicative SG moving to Osgiliath
BTW, this isn’t quite true if you take two turns to do it. Move NW SW and you will be out of the way before any other navy in the game could encounter you. Once you are in the town instead of the MT, staying out of the way is a matter of moving W, etc…
Originally posted by Crazy Ivan
this isn’t quite true if you take two turns to do it
That’s correct – the Harad can do it safely in two turns. SG can also move his navies safely to Osgiliath in two turns.
Or they can send a note.
SmartA$$! 
The frees must tighten our security . Seems our diplomatic pouches are being watched. A spy must be present as everyone seems assured no correspodence has happened between frees and neutrals.Or is there a lot of assumptions being made out there.
Bain
P.S. Us dwarves have seen pictures of ships. Looks like they would make a great bobsled for young short ones.
Regarding The neutrals.
Guys,
Its all a matter of judgement.
The Rhuduar have not flipped their icon – yet the DS is certain they are going FP. I do not doubt this judgement- I would say the same in their position. Why?-- Becuase in one’s mind the actions fo the Rhuduar nation are such that a FP alleigance is highly probable.
All I am saying about the Harad amounts to the same. In my judgment, the Harad’s actions communicate to me that he is going DS. Could I be wrong-- of course. However, my experience (such as it is) leads me to that conclusion. I am neither clairvoyant nor omniscient- but my judgment is what it is.
One other note- the Harad as a true nuetral is allowed to do such things- there is nothing in the game that makes a DS declaration or movements that thwart the FP- illegal, immoral or fattening. My ire is not directed at his actions – but at this underwhelming attempt of the Corsairs to insist on the innocence of such maneuvers. Even if I am 100% correct, and the Harad has chosen the DS – the Harad player has done nothing that will land him in jail, or in hell.
Good gaming to all,
Bob / NG
I am saddened by all this talk of my intentionally blocking the SG navy, I did NO such thing. As your former Eothraim player, Brendan, would tell you “There are bad sailors, and the Harad is way below there”. True, as you say, I am experienced, but I do know that as SG it is prudent to drop the Harad and Corsairs a line to say that their moving into the river. I’ve seen it done where the SG player doesn’t move his navy on turn 1, so what was susposed to do? Wait and hope he sends me a note? If he had computer problems as Brendan said, why didn’t one of the other free ask me not to be there?
And as for turn 2, I moved my northern navy exactly as your former Eothraim player asked me to!!! The reason that both navies were there is that I thought that my moving that north navy exactly as the free asked me to, that the SG navy would be gone and I could combine at 2730.
So, bottom line is, don’t blame me because your communication sucks!
A pissed off Harad
This is rich. Always asking for “dedicated” players and this is what we get! Aha!
Best of all, this has taken place over 2 turns instead of just one! Well, I suppose carrier pigeons weren’t any more reliable than the old recipe cards, so this is all excellent in-game theatre!
So…what does the pissed off Harad intend on doing?
How does Angamaite interpret these shenanigans?
Is the Easterlings watching and judging from afar?
So we’ve got the usual early game flare ups, bitterness, neutral drama, etc, that always works its way through to the mid-game where all that really matters is the Humans vs Mordor situation anyway (barring really cataclysmic one-sided neutral moves). The good news is this is a 1 week game, so we’ll all get there twice as fast!
For some, that’s still too slow!
Arfanbrad the Eternal
Scott,
I never asked you to move north, I asked you to move south-west. The last communication that I had from you stated:-
"I will sail sw to get out of the way. "
I have forwarded you the full mail. So I have no idea what your talking about when you say that you moved exactly as I had asked. If you had have moved SW as I asked (and as you had agreed) then I don’t see how the SG navy could be blocked on turn2 again.
Note I haven’t seen the SG pdf so I’ve no idea where/who blocked who. But I know where the SG was going and it wasn’t SW.
Very shocked that you are attacking me publicly and that your attack seems to be a pack of lies.
I just honestly hope your post is a result of mis-understanding or typo error somewhere.
Brad,
No I’m not a DS ringer so please stop spreading rumours that I’m a cheat. If you believe that I cheated then please contact MEPBM games to ask them to investigate.
Cheers
Brendan McGoldrick
Ex Eothraim 139
Sure you weren’t a soap opera writer in a previous life, Brad?
I love the smell of bitterness in the morning…smells like…victory!
Ok, maybe not victory, bet we’ve all definitely seen bitterness, angst, and all manner of other negative emotions (including gloating, boasting, etc…) at some point inthis game.
As Brad said,
the Usual.
Mike WOodie
Eothraim player dropped eh? Financial problems? Teammate grumbles…Im all ears, why the sudden drop?..its a shame really I was looking foward to seeing your cries when that 3700 Calv army gets it commander assassinated…pity…
Hey Bendan! Chill Dude! I’m not actively “spreading rumours”…I’m not calling the papers or putting in radio spots…
Re-read my post. Out and about in the world, crazy things happen, can’t be denied. I quite confident your drop is bona-fide as per your original reason, but it doesn’t make soap-operatic forum reading! 
Accept my apologies if you feel personally affronted!
Brad the Arfanbrad…er, Arfanhil the Rhudaur…oh, whatever
Rhudaur sucks…
Free People suck…
Dark Servants suck…
Elves suck…
Boy, am I glad I’m not in this game.
Brad,
Okay fair enough…a slight over-reaction on my part.
A classic case of mis-reading posts and then clicking submit before reading what I had typed.
Yeah I’m out of this game. Real life came up on me unexpectedly making a 1wk game unfeasible for me. No arguments with team-mates or juicy gossip I’m afraid.
Scott,
I just re-read my post and I regret the ‘pack of lies’ comment. It was very harsh as I honestly believe it was just a mis-understanding somewhere along the lines but I had to reply to your post as we had actually agreed something else.
The whole freep side all thought you were getting out of the way, so I guess that explains why the freeps reacted so aggressively as they assumed double-cross. As I said storm in a teacup/mis-understanding methinks but then it’s easy for me to say that being on the outside of the game. Hope you can sort out your differences.
Anyway I hope you and others enjoy this game and my apologises for dropping but real life becomes important once in a while.
Cheers
Brendan
Ben…I was coming for you last game…you were on the list…why not pick up a nation here?
This is great! It’s like we’re at war or something.
What exciting posts! The Dwaves make an appearance, the ghost of the Eothraim adds his piece, and Crazy Ivan risks the wrath of the adorable snowbeast…
As for the fleets:
this underwhelming attempt of the Corsairs to insist on the innocence of such maneuvers.
I have no idea what the Harad thought. Scott and I exchanged polite notes on T0 and T1 but no secret nefarious plans.
But I do know that if that if SG ordered his fleet straight to Osgiliath while the Harad ordered his fleet straight to 2734, they’d block on T1 at 2629. Hey!
If SG then sent his capital fleet to Osgiliath while the Harad sent his to 2730 – both reasonable targets – they’d block on T2 at 2729. Guess what?
Corsairs say FP don’t speak with Southern Neutrals…FP DO
SG hasn’t sent any notes – meaning he abdicates the right to carp when his neighbor doesn’t accomodate his plans.
(Dave is my Cloud in 66, so I can confirm his MIA status in regards to technology…)
That’s ok. Well, almost ok. I can imagine that’s a terrific pain to have computer trouble, but SG isn’t the Noldo, and a minor amount of diplomacy at the front lines – even a diplo – is necessary for good play.
In any case, no big harm done. Write, don’t write.
But if you don’t write, don’t complain after.
How does Angamaite interpret these shenanigans?
No ire here. SG and Harad? Classic doorway-shuffle. NG? Maybe he knows something I don’t. Ex-Eothraim? Sorry to see him go. Rhudaur and the WK? Sometimes Rhudaur goes Free, even when the WK player is good.
But Crazy Ivan? Now that’s different…
I’ve got the nagging suspicion that I’ve just been insulted by a giant snow monkey but am just too dense to figure out how…
Ben, you are here by banned from reading messages on this group until you are on a team. We do have a newly vacant Eothraim position and a woodie character who just cant wait to join the joe team (would Hairball be an appropriate Joe name?). Might want to try it just to see if that assassination threat was real…
Originally posted by Player
Ben…I was coming for you last game…you were on the list…why not pick up a nation here?
Heh, tempting as it sounds, I’ll pass. I’ve got enough on my plate as it is right now.
Besides, I don’t like playing in games where neutrals immediately jump someone.