Game 3 starts

All camps benefit the nation, front, back, left, right… what’s the allegiance got to do with it? Now, if I was filling up the mountains with camps, THAT’s a potential hint of my future intentions, no? Maybe 2112 is a little “rude” to the Dwarves to camp at, but otherwise, I don’t necessarily follow.

And I’m not out posting with Arfy, it was a hypothetical, one that would result in the type of situation where some people are upset, others are happy, and everybody claims “it’s not my fault”…when really, there is always someone at fault, just not willing to stand up and take responsibility for the consequences of either their actions, or inactions.

How so? Mountains, yes, 2112, maybe, but where exactly is this “out front” and how does it imply a DS move?? I’ll have to modify my Essential Rhudaur Handbook novella with this new info…!

Arfanbrad

QUOTE=VEOHow so? Mountains, yes, 2112, maybe, but where exactly is this “out front” and how does it imply a DS move?? I’ll have to modify my Essential Rhudaur Handbook novella with this new info…!

*Brad I have said that I personally mean to pursue our war with the DS with everything we have, and I mean that. To do less is to lose, and I on the whole, I prefer not to lose. I have also mentioned that you are not Freep, and will not be privy to our planning until such time as you are freep. So there’s no cookie from me.

*However, the NW is the campaign I have the least input in, so you can talk to Tom Littleton who may come to an agreement with you. Here is his e-mail tlittleton@mindspring.com

Cheers

Winsten

Arfanbrad[/QUOTE]

I thought you were making a generalized strategic comment “This generally means That” etc. So either you’ve read me wrong, or you’ve laid claim to all starting-empty hexes wrapping around Rhudaur from Imladris to Angmar. Interesting what you learn about people here sometimes.

  1. I thought this was a general discussion, not a G3 specific one…I’m still curious…

  2. I’ve given up on email diplomacy with either side. The people I ask to email me don’t, others I have no interest in send me threatening hate mail, people who say they’ll write don’t, and a couple people have totally ignored me but put me in their address book to forward beta-testing emails to me…

All I get is a one time report from one allegiance and then I get to argue with the FP here on the board. It’s not a “traditional” diplomatic set up, but I’m trying to have fun…

Arfanbrad

QUOTE=VEOHow so? Mountains, yes, 2112, maybe, but where exactly is this “out front” and how does it imply a DS move?? I’ll have to modify my Essential Rhudaur Handbook novella with this new info…!

*Because through there you can interrupt the freep prosecution of the war but not the DS (when will the WK ever want to move through there?). You can do alot to hamper our attacks. I know this because I have stopped a hell of alot of DS attacks dead for the entire course of the war from those same hexes you are talking about. Now I have not objected to you placing camps with emmies there. In fact I have not opposed you placing camps anywhere. However I am telling you that the freep do need to move through there, and I doubt that they will want to discuss their attack plans with a non aligned nation. I had felt that this made our position clear, and that should Arfanhil wander around out there with 100 troops it might get uncomfortable (though I don’t think this is the case since we haven’t downgraded you - however given our position on our need to see our campaign through with the WK - blocking our armies would not be politik either).

*Interference with our campaign is not going to do anything positive for the freep. Even if you did wish to join us, doing so would not help your team.

*You have other options should you wish them in the strip of land between yourself and Dunland if you want to use armies that way.

Winsten

Arfanbrad[/QUOTE]

Okay, good. Camp Posting, not Placement. Some might roll their eyes at “semantics”, but consider, all of existence is simply the result of communication - we must be clear now, mustn’t we?

Yes, of course I agree with you, which is why I haven’t been out posting camps.

QUOTE=VEO1) I thought this was a general discussion, not a G3 specific one…I’m still curious…

  1. I’ve given up on email diplomacy with either side. The people I ask to email me don’t, others I have no interest in send me threatening hate mail, people who say they’ll write don’t, and a couple people have totally ignored me but put me in their address book to forward beta-testing emails to me…

*:slight_smile: that’s actually pretty funny :slight_smile: I’d always thought the way to work out indifferences in this game was on the end of a pointy thing. But “death by spam” now that has a ring to it :slight_smile:

All I get is a one time report from one allegiance and then I get to argue with the FP here on the board. It’s not a “traditional” diplomatic set up, but I’m trying to have fun…

*I think everyone from both factions will agree that this game is unusually vicious with no one pulling punches (in fact I don’t think anyone’s actually bothering trying to defend themselves, everyone’s swinging instead :slight_smile: The result is that we’re all fully focussed on bringing maximum force to bear on the enemy, and not real keen for anyone getting in the way. I’m sure allies are more than welcome for both sides, so long as they respect the golden rule - don’t get in the way :slight_smile:

*I’ve asked Tom the Cardy to e-mail you. He’s more able to deal as he’s the one paying for the turns.

Winsten

Arfanbrad[/QUOTE]

See how I do the Quote thing? I’ll teach you one day…unless, alas, I get in the way… :wink:

We have given up on getting him to do quotes correctly…

Joseph - Noldo

QUOTE=Dr. JosephWe have given up on getting him to do quotes correctly…

*Hey Joseph. Like the new picture, and you found your lucky peanut. Gotta be happy about that :slight_smile:

Winsten

Joseph - Noldo[/QUOTE]

Ah Rhudaur – you have been found out for the scheming scoundrel that you are…

He was ordered to cast a lore spell. Perceive Relations - The Rhudaur hold relations of Disliked toward the Noldo Elves

Why should we take this as anything other than a declaration of war?

Elrond

And I failed my Disliked against the WK earlier, while I have the Duns at Disliked and have started spamming outlying nations (Easterlings Disliked, this turn was planning on Corsairs and Northmen).

Take it as you want it, if you think a Neutral surrounded by potential enemies who don’t communicate shouldn’t be prepared for attacks by neighbours (Noldo, WK, Cardy, etc) or, while frittering away the silent turns prepare for possible future actions/enemies (Easterlings, Corsairs, BS, Northmen, etc) while having free orders, well, go ahead and act according to your rules of proper behaviour.

My rules of proper behaviour include building relationships with neutrals such that, in the event they actually join your team (sometimes they don’t, shucks, it just ain’t fair!!), you’ve already done the “Hi, My Name Is” stuff and can get right to work. Frankly, considering the overall volume and tone of communication, why waste a good spell to create an incident to attack me? Why didn’t y’all get together with Witchie Poo and divvy up my lands on turn 1? But hey, if you’re the team that blows useful orders in the early game finding such evidence (“He’s left handed! Burn the Witch! Burn him!!!”), well, I won’t necessarily mind having you force my allegiance…this might just be real easy…

Arfanhil the Embittered

Talk is cheap and it is impossible to verify what you say you are doing. But we will think on your words.

Elrond

Think on… Yeah, okay, and I’m just supposed to keep my order list, that I had prepared through turn 11 because, well, what else was I going to do? And hope those neat litttle graphics next to my nation all continue North…yeah, okay. :rolleyes:

Arf

What you see heading north are all the UPS delivery trucks bearing wonderful holiday gifts for the Witch King. You will note that we have been scrupulous about avoiding any visits to the local Rhudaurian establishments.

Elrond

Yes, I see the system you’ve implemented. Systems are wonderful, I support many myself…until needs change. As is well known, Festivus in Rhudaur carries on to include holidays for all denominations, some of which are well past the next fortnight. Now, what if your contracted courier, in an effort to cut costs (private contractors ARE more efficient than public, no?), included some packages for some of our Orthodox Hillman and, contrary to the International Delivery Protocol System, realized that a side trip was necessary? I’m sure a few complaints from the Angmarians for late deliveries wouldn’t be escalated to senior management at this point in the holday season, if in fact, there were any complaints. How is a puny nation such as mine to ensure the integrity of it’s customs system in the face of such a global logistical threat?

Arf

QUOTE=VEO And I failed my Disliked against the WK earlier, while I have the Duns at Disliked and have started spamming outlying nations (Easterlings Disliked, this turn was planning on Corsairs and Northmen).

*Well good luck with all of that. It certainly has the element of surprise for all the rest of us :slight_smile:

My rules of proper behaviour include building relationships with neutrals such that, in the event they actually join your team (sometimes they don’t, shucks, it just ain’t fair!!), you’ve already done the “Hi, My Name Is” stuff and can get right to work. Frankly, considering the overall volume and tone of communication, why waste a good spell to create an incident to attack me? Why didn’t y’all get together with Witchie Poo and divvy up my lands on turn 1?

*Because we’re busy divvying up his lands (and he wasn’t invited either :slight_smile:

But hey, if you’re the team that blows useful orders in the early game finding such evidence (“He’s left handed! Burn the Witch! Burn him!!!”), well, I won’t necessarily mind having you force my allegiance…this might just be real easy…

*Brad, I try to play this game for the fun of it. There’s many people that try to ensure this doesn’t happen. So many interests to balance, trying to let everyone play their game, but also ensuring they don’t get their neighbours killed, managing a team game, balancing personality problems blah blah blah. Fact of the matter is, some people just don’t get on, and to be honest, most of us can do without it. I don’t get the feeling that you are going to have fun with the freep anyway by the sounds. I’ve tried to talk to you at all points, and I don’t think you’ve got any problems with me, nor I with you, but life in freep may not be all it’s cracked up to be for you. If you fight with other freep, it makes us all wish we had saved our $10 and bought beer instead. So I’d invite you at this point to go DS. I hope you find more peace and can enjoy the game with the players there. I only know one or two of them, but fine chaps (ettes) to be sure.

Arfanhil the Embittered[/QUOTE]

*Brad, neutrals can be fun. I’m sure we all consider the potential impact we could have on the game, and how both factions are going to love us vigorously and offer us all kinds of gifts, stroke us, and make us feel all warm and fuzzy about ourselves. However sometimes the reality is that for whatever reason, be it that some people just can’t stand neutrals, or that there are personality issues, or that players are uncommunicative with their own team mates let alone unaligned players, or indeed that they just couldn’t give a bugger - a number of reasons why it might not work out as planned. Aligned nations live with the certainty that in some part of the world - a neutral is going to backstab his team at some point. This also means that the neutral can suffer in equal measure at the hands of the factions. The sum total of all of this is - I wouldn’t be surprised if there are hiccups, and if I wanted a clear run of things, I’d join a faction (and then find that you don’t like half of your team :slight_smile: I’m not holding you responsible for anything, nor my team mates for that matter, I’m playing no favourites, just observing that - geez it looks like a ****e day, best that I don’t go outside :slight_smile:

If any neutral for that matter feels that there are players on the freep that would make the game horrible for them, and in turn, horrible for the rest of the freep, please feel free to consider this message as an invitation as well. I’d sooner lose than live through another horrible game of in team fighting…

Cheers and luck

Rob of the freep

But…but… All I wanted was to be loved…and and…stroked…well, okay, stroked…forget the love… :wink:

Well, if that’s how THEY feel about me, fine. I don’t want them either! <sniff>

Arfanbrad

QUOTE=VEO But…but… All I wanted was to be loved…and and…stroked…well, okay, stroked…forget the love… :wink:

*Sounds like the dwarf will float your boat then. He’s short, he smells, he’s got the manners of a goat and the dress sense of a swine, and if I didn’t mention it - he smells. But compared to what he gets, I’m sure he’ll be happy to stroke something that’s both taller - and less hairy than dwarf maidens. And there’s absolutely no chance of him loving you unless you look like a beer…

Well, if that’s how THEY feel about me, fine. I don’t want them either! <sniff>

*That’s the spirit. All men are bastards anyway :slight_smile:

*Knock yourself out Brad aka Arfabrad (does that mean the dwarf will be marginally taller than you shortly? :slight_smile:

Cheers

Rob of the Freep

Arfanbrad[/QUOTE]