ME One nation choices

> Players won't like a purely random allocation. Why? Because it deprives them of -any- element of choice.

Who says that choice is an integral part of the set up...?

Personally I think it is an integral part of the set-up choice. As an example your choice to play in a Gunboat 2950 or the Wotr variant game and then sending me a list and comments also about the viability of specific nation choices in GB 2950. Different players like different styles of gaming and we'd like to support that. ME has enough variety in it that it can actually support all these different styles of play - the heroic sacrifice, the general, the manipulator, the strategist, the economist etc. Each nation has its strengths and weaknesses and players like to choose nations that they enjoy playing those particular strengths that they like and avoid the nations that they don't like.

On the other hand we can't offer an exact nation that would suit each player (and 1000 certainly doesn't but makes some attempts to) which is a shame. Hence I need players to be flexible sometimes.

It seems to me that those advocating a system of choices are actually advocating a system whereby they can be more than a little selfish: the
"either we play with my ball or I'll take it away" philosophy.

Exactly and with less choice more players will indeed pick up their ball and walk away. Rightly so. We've got to be able to offer the right mix of choice and service, and get a wage packet at the end of the day.

"The random allocation is totally fair given that not all nations are equal and therefore there will always be a pecking order, which implies that some
nations will not be chosen except under a certain level of duress. Other nations are almost always on a player's list."

Fair but not enjoyable - and that's what players pay for to have fun. Actually most nations get at least one player picking them in 25 nations - it's when they don't (eg game 9 with 8 players specifying only one nation and a few more specifying a couple only) where the system breaks down.

Clint

richard devereux wrote:

  > Players won't like a purely random allocation. Why? Because it deprives them
  > of -any- element of choice.

  Who says that choice is an integral part of the set up...?
  RD: Under the current system, choice IS part of the setup. Do you ever actually PLAY this game?

  Clint, to his credit, is trying to improve service to his customers. Random allocation would be a retrograde (backward) step which would cost him customers.

  It seems to me that those advocating a system of choices are actually
  advocating a system whereby they can be more than a little selfish: the
  "either we play with my ball or I'll take it away" philosophy.

  Gavin

  RD: You are at least one lap behind other correspondents on this thread. Players who give a choice of 3 or more nations can be accommodated. They are being UNselfish by giving Clint a choice.

  It is an increasing number of players who only choose one nation who are being selfish and threatening to muck the system up. Except, it's not their ball, it's Clint's, and he can give it to who he wants!
  Clint quite rightly wants to give the ball to somebody who has EARNED it.

  Put yourself in the place of Martin Johnson. It's extra time in the rugby World Cup Final. England have a penalty kick. Does he toss the ball over his shoulder and whoever catches it takes the free kick? Of course not, he gives the ball to Jonny Wilkinson, England's best kicker, and tells him to take it. CHOICE.

  Richard.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Gavinwj
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices

richard devereux wrote:

Put yourself in the place of Martin Johnson. It's extra time in the rugby
World Cup Final. England have a penalty kick. Does he toss the ball over his
shoulder and whoever catches it takes the free kick? Of course not, he gives
the ball to Jonny Wilkinson, England's best kicker, and tells him to take it.
CHOICE.

What the hell has that got to do with ME???

Gavin

I would play in a game where all 25 nations are randomly assigned for
a change of pace. However as a consumer, I would never play in game
where I do not have some choice as to what nation I would play.

It is truly ridiculous to even consider that players would tolerate
Harly absolutely dictating what nation they would play. MEG would be
out of business when the current games expired.

Whenever MEG starts to offer free games, then I will take whatever
nation they see fit to dole out. In the interim, I will submit my 3
choices and complain about always getting my second choice :wink:

richard devereux wrote:

> Put yourself in the place of Martin Johnson. It's extra time in the

rugby

> World Cup Final. England have a penalty kick. Does he toss the ball

over his

> shoulder and whoever catches it takes the free kick? Of course not, he

gives

> the ball to Jonny Wilkinson, England's best kicker, and tells him to

take it.

> CHOICE.

What the hell has that got to do with ME???

Gavin

It's a metaphor, no? Allows the writer certain liberties in their attempt
to communicate. Communication: something to do with sharing of ideas.
Listening (or reading) with comprehension (there's always a catch) is
integral to the process provided it's being done equally by both/all
parties.

If there are no more questions, we can toss the Random Allocation bit out
the Orwellian window from whence it came.

Thanks,

Brad Brunet

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gavinwj" <gavinwj@compuserve.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices

Brad Brunet wrote:

Put yourself in the place of Martin Johnson. It's extra time in the

rugby

World Cup Final. England have a penalty kick. Does he toss the ball

over his

shoulder and whoever catches it takes the free kick? Of course not, he

gives

the ball to Jonny Wilkinson, England's best kicker, and tells him to

take it.

CHOICE.

What the hell has that got to do with ME???

Gavin

It's a metaphor, no? Allows the writer certain liberties in their attempt
to communicate. Communication: something to do with sharing of ideas.
Listening (or reading) with comprehension (there's always a catch) is
integral to the process provided it's being done equally by both/all
parties.

But not one that has any bearing on the discussion. I understood it was a
metaphor. However, for a metaphor to work, there has to be relevance.

In this example, the team is already composed of England's best players. So
the metaphor is actually saying that nations in MEPBM should be allocated
only to those who can play the game at the top level and that said nations
should always go to specific players, the best at each position.

A better metaphor would be the allocation of groups for the World Cup. And,
unlike MEPBM, there's no threat to stop playing if a nation doesn't like
which group it's in...

Gavin

Brad Brunet wrote:

  >>> Put yourself in the place of Martin Johnson. It's extra time in the
  > rugby
  >>> World Cup Final. England have a penalty kick. Does he toss the ball
  > over his
  >>> shoulder and whoever catches it takes the free kick? Of course not, he
  > gives
  >>> the ball to Jonny Wilkinson, England's best kicker, and tells him to
  > take it.
  >>> CHOICE.
  >>
  >> What the hell has that got to do with ME???
  >>
  >> Gavin
  >
  > It's a metaphor, no? Allows the writer certain liberties in their attempt
  > to communicate. Communication: something to do with sharing of ideas.
  > Listening (or reading) with comprehension (there's always a catch) is
  > integral to the process provided it's being done equally by both/all
  > parties.

  But not one that has any bearing on the discussion. I understood it was a
  metaphor. However, for a metaphor to work, there has to be relevance.

  In this example, the team is already composed of England's best players. So
  the metaphor is actually saying that nations in MEPBM should be allocated
  only to those who can play the game at the top level and that said nations
  should always go to specific players, the best at each position.

  A better metaphor would be the allocation of groups for the World Cup. And,
  unlike MEPBM, there's no threat to stop playing if a nation doesn't like
  which group it's in...

  Gavin
  RD: That's an absolutely nonsensical metaphor because, as you just said, MEPBM players DO have choice and they CAN quit the game if they don't like it.

  Give up Gavin, - you ain't gonna win:-)

  Richard.

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