>RD: Grumpy? Well, at first I thought you hadn't given my proposal due
>thought, then that you had slipped up by saying 4 FP neuts! But as that
is
>what you meant, I stand corrected, and will say instead that I will
happily
>play FP in the setup you propose!
Ha! I thought you of all people, might be the man with enough iron in his
blood (which does not even boil as easily as mine) to answer the challenge
of playing DS in such a tough scenario. Aren't you getting weary of
always
cleaning up so easily when we play DS?
Laurence G. Tilley
RD: We might be winning the games we are currently playing as DS (ok, we
are!) but I wouldn't say we are winning easily. I'm also on the winning
side in my two games as FP. I have to admit, I LIKE winning!
A hard-fought victory is one thing, but deliberately giving the enemy a big
numerical advantage is quite another. If the opposing team is of equal
quality - or even average - with 4 neuts to our one, we will be stuffed.
That's not a tough scenario - it's suicidal, and I find the prospect no fun
at all.
Asserting that people should not post unsupported comments to a debate, and pointing out how annoying I (and others are very likely to find) that, seems to me like a perfectly reasonable thing to do. How many times have you downloaded and deleted a "me too" style comment, and muttered something under your breath? Why should the people who do this, not be challenged sometimes?
PS. Since you find my directness to be "rude", and will no doubt wish to address the matter of my character once again, I should be very much obliged if you would extend me the courtesy of spelling my name correctly.
>RD: Sorry Mike, but I agree with Laurence. I put forward a proposition to
>which I have given considerable thought, and gave the reasons for it. If
>somebody then says, it's not a good a idea because xyz, or I prefer abc
>because def, then we have a rational debate.
>
>But to have Kevin (or anybody else) suggest an alternative, apparently off
>the top of his head, without saying what he doesn't like about the original
>proposal, or why his is better, IS irritating - if not quite making the
>blood boil!
>Richard.
Certainly there are going to be irritating comments made here. Lawrence has made quite
a few that have irritated me. (Not necessarily the content, but more his attitude.)
However, whether a comment irritates me (or you or Lawrence) doesn't mean it can't be
posted here. It doesn't even mean it shouldn't be posted here. As long as it isn't a
rude or obnoxious comment (which, BTW, Lawrence has made his share of), then let
people say what they want. Lawrence's suggestion that people shouldn't post messages
here if they don't meet his personal cirteria is what I have a problem with.
Laurence G. Tilley wrote...
Asserting that people should not post unsupported comments to a debate, and
pointing out how annoying I (and others are very likely to find) that,
seems to me like a perfectly reasonable thing to do. How many times have
you downloaded and deleted a "me too" style comment, and muttered something
under your breath? Why should the people who do this, not be challenged
sometimes?
Certainly there should be debate, and everyone should feel free to point out to
someone the flaw in their logic (or that not explaining their logic at all makes their
case extremely weak). However, there really isn't any cause to be rude about it, and
suggesting that people who don't include their logic don't have the right to post here
at all is entirely another matter. If you owned or operated this mailing list, then
that would be your prerogative. Since you don't, then such assertations are simply
rude and presumptuous.
As for deleting comments and muttering under my breath, I do delete many comments.
Some are "me too", but most start with "off topic" or are simply rude and
presumptuous.
PS. Since you find my directness to be "rude", and will no doubt wish to
address the matter of my character once again, I should be very much
obliged if you would extend me the courtesy of spelling my name correctly.
I don't know you, (as evidenced by the fact that I didn't spell your name correctly...
sorry), so I really can't say anything about your character. The issue I wanted to
raise here was that I believe it's presumptuous for anyone make some sort of arbitrary
rules regarding who is allowed to post comments here. (Except for Harley, of course,
since it's their list.) You claimed that you aren't doing that, but your previous
messages indicated otherwise. If you really aren't trying to control who can and
cannot post based on some arbitrary rules, then you might want to examine your
debating style, as your message isn't getting across the way you intended it to.
If you really aren't trying to control who can and
cannot post based on some arbitrary rules, then you might want to examine your
debating style, as your message isn't getting across the way you intended it
to.
I have always found Laurence to be a most eloquent and restrained poster of
well-reasoned arguments and discourse.
Except, of course, that one time when the Yanks first turned up and tried to
take over the place... But he was very justified in his comments.
My question is quite simple:- Are the WarMachines from both armies
combined to destroy the FORT ? In this example the WarMachine values
from BOTH armies are 3000 (15 * 200 = 3000) which is equal to the
fortification value. Thus shouldn't the fort get destroyed ?
If the war machines from both armies are taken seperately then the
fort wouldn't get destroyed ?
I've seen multiple armies combine war machines to destroy
fortifications. In 2950 game 22, the Duns, Sinda, Woodmen and Riders
of Rohan used war machines distributed between several of those armies
to destroy the keep on Dol Guldur. I'm not certain about your numbers
here - I'm pretty sure a fort has 6000 defense, and therefore requires
30 war machines to destroy - but the idea is sound.
The 2nd question is about 947. Do you lose 10% portage fee for the
product that is already in the stores of the destination pop center
?
Example:- I have say 1000 leather at the destination pop center. In
my other camps I have 500. Do I lose 50 leather in portage fee (10%
of 500) OR do I lose 150 leather (10% of 1500 leather).
For me it's only logically to suffer the 10% portage fee for the
amounts that actually get transported.
I believe that you're only charged for the product actually moved, but
I'm not certain of this. I conclude this mostly from seeing shipments
of product to allies after a NatTrans/TranCar combo send more than a
straight 10% cost of all product in stores would give.
As the military bloodbath continues at Morannon, with
the Freep assault and the DS defense taking massive
combined losses, individual losses are not to be
underestimated. Is the loss of King Elendil the Tall
an equal exchange for a Nazgul? Time will tell, I
suppose, as the war continues.
As the military bloodbath continues at Morannon, with
the Freep assault and the DS defense taking massive
combined losses, individual losses are not to be
underestimated. Is the loss of King Elendil the Tall
an equal exchange for a Nazgul? Time will tell, I
suppose, as the war continues.
RD: Everything is going (very broadly speaking) according to the book.
Elendil died during the siege of Barad-dur so provided the outcome of the
war is the same he will not die in vain!
Beware, Dark ones, the hosts of the Last Alliance have already fought their
way into Mordor, and more waves are on their way, each more powerful than
the one before!
War machines would be cumulative in the example you place. As the Duns, I
used this when the Sinda combined to knock down the keep at Morannon.
However, note that a fort has a defensive strength of 6000. To be completely
sure of completely elminating it, you need 30 war machines. I am not sure
whether there is some lesser amount of damage that you could do to
fortifications that would still result in their destruction.
I sent the below questions out a few days ago but so far no response.
I just thought to try to send it out again to see if anyone can help.
Many thanks in advance
Brendan
A couple of questions for the list and also Harlequins if you have
some time.
The 1st one is about War Machines and their use in pop center combat.
Example:-
2 enemy armies are at MT-Fort. One army has 10WarMachines and the
other one has 5 WarMachines. Both issue the Capture Pop center order.
My question is quite simple:- Are the WarMachines from both armies
combined to destroy the FORT ? In this example the WarMachine values
from BOTH armies are 3000 (15 * 200 = 3000) which is equal to the
fortification value. Thus shouldn't the fort get destroyed ?
If the war machines from both armies are taken seperately then the
fort wouldn't get destroyed ?
The 2nd question is about 947. Do you lose 10% portage fee for the
product that is already in the stores of the destination pop center ?
Example:- I have say 1000 leather at the destination pop center. In
my other camps I have 500. Do I lose 50 leather in portage fee (10%
of 500) OR do I lose 150 leather (10% of 1500 leather).
For me it's only logically to suffer the 10% portage fee for the
amounts that actually get transported.
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Brendan
RD: Hi Brendan. Don't know the answer to your first question. However the
answer to your second question is easy - the 10% portage fee is deducted
only from what is transported in the 947 order, not anything which is
already in the destination hex.
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Richard John Devereux" <devereux@l...> wrote:
> As the military bloodbath continues at Morannon, with
> the Freep assault and the DS defense taking massive
> combined losses, individual losses are not to be
> underestimated. Is the loss of King Elendil the Tall
> an equal exchange for a Nazgul? Time will tell, I
> suppose, as the war continues.
>
> JB
>
> =====
> john_h_briggs@y...
RD: Everything is going (very broadly speaking) according to
the book. Elendil died during the siege of Barad-dur so provided
the outcome of the war is the same he will not die in vain!
Beware, Dark ones, the hosts of the Last Alliance have already
fought their way into Mordor, and more waves are on their way,
each more powerful than the one before!
Yeah, but Gil-Galad and Isildur aren't there, which kinda foils that
plot, no? Can't have Isil cut off the One Ring, if he is off somewhere
else having a party while his dad goes and dies in the mountains
On a more serious note, the economics of the scenario should be looked
at once the game is done. If what I've seen sofar is any indication,
the FP economies are far too strong, compared to the DS ones. We have
huge and large FP armies showing up every two turns, while we can
barely afford to keep enough troops to keep them at bay, let alone
launch any offensives. Only some lucky assassinations of people like
Elendil, and strange army-movements of the FP, has kept them from
Barad-Dur sofar.
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Richard John Devereux" <devereux@l...> wrote:
>
> > As the military bloodbath continues at Morannon, with
> > the Freep assault and the DS defense taking massive
> > combined losses, individual losses are not to be
> > underestimated. Is the loss of King Elendil the Tall
> > an equal exchange for a Nazgul? Time will tell, I
> > suppose, as the war continues.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > =====
> > john_h_briggs@y...
>
> RD: Everything is going (very broadly speaking) according to
> the book. Elendil died during the siege of Barad-dur so provided
> the outcome of the war is the same he will not die in vain!
>
> Beware, Dark ones, the hosts of the Last Alliance have already
> fought their way into Mordor, and more waves are on their way,
> each more powerful than the one before!
Yeah, but Gil-Galad and Isildur aren't there, which kinda foils that
plot, no? Can't have Isil cut off the One Ring, if he is off somewhere
else having a party while his dad goes and dies in the mountains
On a more serious note, the economics of the scenario should be looked
at once the game is done. If what I've seen sofar is any indication,
the FP economies are far too strong, compared to the DS ones. We have
huge and large FP armies showing up every two turns, while we can
barely afford to keep enough troops to keep them at bay, let alone
launch any offensives. Only some lucky assassinations of people like
Elendil, and strange army-movements of the FP, has kept them from
Barad-Dur sofar.
RD: OK, I will add this to my file of comments. I am willing to listen to
any constructive criticism (trying to keep hackles from rising - I am such a
sensitive soul!). For now I will just say that whilst the stats have been
juggled to suit the new scenario, the -total- economic/military strength of
each allegiance is near as dammit identical to a 1650 game in which 3 neuts
join DS and 2 join FP. I took great pains to ensure this.
I think one factor which may have helped FP is the random distribution of
artifacts. If DS are missing the bundle of agent and stealth arts with
which they usually start, their agents are going to be much less effective
than in 1650.
Richard.
···
----- Original Message -----
From: <oysteint@ifi.uio.no>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Last Alliance game
I think both side will probably have some input, pros
and cons for the scenario when its done. I look
forward to that as well, since I think this scenario
can definately be improved upon.
JB
···
--- oysteint@ifi.uio.no wrote:
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Richard John Devereux"
<devereux@l...> wrote:
>
> > As the military bloodbath continues at Morannon,
with
> > the Freep assault and the DS defense taking
massive
> > combined losses, individual losses are not to be
> > underestimated. Is the loss of King Elendil the
Tall
> > an equal exchange for a Nazgul? Time will tell,
I
> > suppose, as the war continues.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > =====
> > john_h_briggs@y...
>
> RD: Everything is going (very broadly speaking)
according to
> the book. Elendil died during the siege of
Barad-dur so provided
> the outcome of the war is the same he will not die
in vain!
>
> Beware, Dark ones, the hosts of the Last Alliance
have already
> fought their way into Mordor, and more waves are
on their way,
> each more powerful than the one before!
Yeah, but Gil-Galad and Isildur aren't there, which
kinda foils that
plot, no? Can't have Isil cut off the One Ring, if
he is off somewhere
else having a party while his dad goes and dies in
the mountains
On a more serious note, the economics of the
scenario should be looked
at once the game is done. If what I've seen sofar is
any indication,
the FP economies are far too strong, compared to the
DS ones. We have
huge and large FP armies showing up every two turns,
while we can
barely afford to keep enough troops to keep them at
bay, let alone
launch any offensives. Only some lucky
assassinations of people like
Elendil, and strange army-movements of the FP, has
kept them from
Barad-Dur sofar.
__________________________________________________
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The free are running wild in east mordor, we own morannon and have
armies on 3121/3122/3221/3222 within 10 turns. All we have to do is
break through once...
Marc/NK-44
--- In mepbmlist@y..., John Briggs <john_h_briggs@y...> wrote:
···
As the military bloodbath continues at Morannon, with
the Freep assault and the DS defense taking massive
combined losses, individual losses are not to be
underestimated. Is the loss of King Elendil the Tall
an equal exchange for a Nazgul? Time will tell, I
suppose, as the war continues.
JB
=====
john_h_briggs@y...
__________________________________________________
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I didn't get the automated response from an e-mail I sent the guys. On
Saturday I had the automated response but no response to the questions I'd
raised in my e-mail. Can only assume they were out celebrating Wales' only
victory in their World Cup qualifying campaign...
Matthew
···
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jenny Gamston" <mf.gamston@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:32 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] No automated response to ME orders sent Sunday
The computer that sends and recieves in the office crashed on the Weekend,
all the emails got to us fine today. It just needed restarting.
We didn't answer the email sent to us on Saturday because we don't work on
weekends.
Rob
···
----- Original Message -----
From: 42! <berget@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:49 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: No automated response to ME orders sent Sunday
I too never got any auto responses on the two mails I sent saturday
and sunday.
Windows system? Sounds like a viable excuse. Solution: Get a unix box
people! geez... Winbloze stikes again... so then your unix box can send
out the message:
"Sorry, our windows system has blue-screened again. Please try your email
again later... this is a linux recording"
beep
Morpheus
···
The computer that sends and recieves in the office crashed on the Weekend,
all the emails got to us fine today. It just needed restarting.
We didn't answer the email sent to us on Saturday because we don't work on
weekends.
Windows system? Sounds like a viable excuse. Solution: Get a unix box
people! geez... Winbloze stikes again... so then your unix box can send
out the message:
Aw, Clint. FREEWARE... and it's not some strange foreign word! It's
actually English!
Just pay a couple of pounds for the CD. And technically, don't I and
other people pay for it? Better yet, wouldn't it PAY FOR ITSELF?
C:\ deltree *.* /y
and make all your troubles disappear. Tnen go to someone nice if you
don't wanna pay the cash and ask them to burn you a copy of Linux, and
don't worry it's freeware so it doesn't matter! Cool eh? Now Redhat and
Mandrake... well, you pay for the fancy installation stuff.
And despite all you might think, you do have to pay a licensing fee to M$
which is about US$50 or so per system when you buy that new pentium
786.0054657 or whatever it is now. They just hide it in all the
paperwork. And what are a couple of pounds when your servers only die if
you have a long-term power outtage? And the software to run the servers
is free too!
Morph
PS..
Oh well, Clint. By this point I should know whom it is I'm preachin' to.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And if it is, just....reboot.
And I didn't plug Macs this round either...
···
Gonna pay for it?
Clint
Windows system? Sounds like a viable excuse. Solution: Get a unix box
people! geez... Winbloze stikes again... so then your unix box can send
out the message:
