Two tried and true sayings come to mind.
KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid.
If it isn’t broken, don’t try to fix it.
Regards Herman 
Do we sink so low as to resort to petty insults!
Tut tut now can you do no better?
Is this a forum for debate or you have another dance in mind.
Vandal
I don’t know what you are prattling on about, there is no insult in my post.
KISS is a common saying here in Australia and it means exactly what it says. Keep it simple stupid. In other words don’t make it any more complicated than it has to be. The stupid was not directed at anyone, it is part of the saying. It means to point out that it is stupid to make things more complicated than need be.
Lighten up. 
Regards Herman
Vandal: Herman is right, the KISS business is an Australian amorphism. American GIs picked it up during WW II and it is now part of the U.S. Army’s generally-accepted-jargon. Something like make it "user friendly’. He intended no insult, but you have revealed a thin skin. Someone might use that agsnst you.
I happen to be English and as far as I am aware calling someone stupid in any languauge is an insult, though I do of course stand to be corrected.
Of course in character, as in game 9, I do seem to be a dress wearing tranny and a few other things besides but thats fine as its all about the character and not me.
Sorry but referring to me, myself crosses the line for me, but of course thats only my view of course.
If we are now saying its open season fine with me, ill dance any dance and if someone wants to try and use something well thats up to them.
As long as they are on the other side more fool them, for my memory is long and my arm longer
Vandal
But Herman the simple fact is having offended me there is no going back and your card is marked with me.
I do not remember writing anything about changing the forum only that minorities do not rule.
Since one is not advocating a change, the conception behind your reply is lost on me.
Vandal
Vandal,
The whole world knows K.I.S.S. How does Herman deserve being so marked? He may as well have said G’Day. Take a humility pill.
“Policeman” Player
ps. mark away :rolleyes:
I dont, thus I assume your assumtion must be incorrect need I say anymore about assumption?
If you feel the need to be marked you are free to do it yourself, I see no reason to bother myself with such, since being incorrect is not, as far as I know, something to get to worked up about.
Vandal
Originally posted by vandal
Sorry but if things worked on the basis the minority would suffer if we took this course of action, nothing would ever get done.
You didn’t read my whole message, otherwise you would have either realized this is not what I said, or debated my presumptions (that’s what they were). I said that right away, splitting the forum would annoy the “minority”. Then I went on to detail how the majority would soon discover (much like American “democracy”…) that they got what they voted for…but it wasn’t what they thought it would be…
I have reread your mesaage but this does not change the fact those who do not want to change are a minority.
Unless this is South America where the vote does not matter, simple facts do not change.
I like to think, as pehaps to one or two other nations, we still have some freedm and the votes are not all rigged.
Those to who you refer remain those who do not wish change and are therefore are as described by myself.
Since I am not arguing about the rights and wrongs of the matter, the points you raise have no interest to me.
The only point of interest are the bottom line and where the votes lie.
And you are still not marked, you will still have to do it yourself
Vandal
I agree with Vandal… reading about KISS without actually saying you weren’t refering to him as stupid actually makes you look like you were calling him stupid.
Try and read your post before you submit in future… emails get taken at the word… not what the intent was when written.
I also agree with Vandal about the minority bit… but also feel that the minority do have a part to play in any discussion… use the forum to sway people to your point of view.
However, back to my original gripe… whats the point of asking for a vote on something, seeing the results and then saying, there are more people who didn’t vote than voted so lets leave it as is.
49 out of 73 voting for the change is a pretty good vote for change… how many people are registered on this site??? I reckon you have a pretty good sample size here.
Sc0rp10
That’s why changing the constitution of anything is so hard, you usually need 75% or more of all eligible voters, not 75% of the vote actually made.
As for my KISS statement, the saying is KISS, (Keep it simple stupid.) the stupid is part of the saying so it applies every time it is used. If the saying had been KIS (Keep it simple) and I had added stupid then I would have been in the wrong and could be castigated by Vandal. He should not be complaining about this saying unless English is not his first language, which would then account for some of his confusion.
Regards Herman (Aussie, Aussie Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi!) 
Originally posted by Player
I fear game mechanics questions on the Game Specific forum and in-game taunts on the General Non-Game Forum.
Brad
That’s what moderators are for, to move posts that are in the wrong forum. Of course, that’s just me at the moment…
Originally posted by herman
KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid.
Would this forum be simpler if all of the “Library” posts were in the main forum? Does it make information harder to find because it’s in “The Library” and not in the main forum? Personally, I think that what I am proposing is extremely simple, and unless you’re bookmarking a forum directly, then I can’t possibly see how splitting forums makes anything more difficult. But that’s just me, and I’m used to forums that are split into more like 15-20 different sections, so splitting from one to two seems trivial to me.
Oh, and I have a very keen grasp of the KISS principle after several years in the U.S. Army.
Originally posted by herman
If it isn’t broken, don’t try to fix it.
Here is where we must disagree. I proposed the change because I do think it’s “broken.”
Originally posted by Player
Looking at the Admin forum and it’s quite obvious how entire forums will be taken off on tangents.
I’m not sure I understand this. The whole point of the Announcement forum would be so that things like the Front Sheets could be seen and not pushed off of the front page in a day or two. Previously, if I was interested in getting into a new game, I had two real options: First, I could go to the Yahoo! list and go through the archives until I found the most recent frontsheet, or I could contact MEGames directly and ask. There was no way to quickly see “at a glance” what games were filling. That’s what I was mainly trying to accomplish with the Announcement forum. It also works out that the Announcement forum is what’s used to “fill” the page at http://forums.halo5.net, which I hope is a convenience for at least a few people, but isn’t at all a requirement.
Armored Cav, hoorha!
I should point out my wife is a Kiwi and I have just reurned from 4 months in New Zealand.
Whilst I realise kKWIS regard those from Oz as somewhat beneath them, I still have not heard the phrase kiss in those 4 months in far shores.
I am aware of several terms that mean nothing to me but I am told are not terms of endearment, thus would not deem to use them.
I am still at a loss as to understand why I should understand American or Australian slang, jargon or any other odd phrases they may have, perhaps you can enlighten me.
I am sure if I refered to items such as Jam Jars the average person in the USA has no idea this mean a car.
I think the only item here is whether you intended it or not you have caused offence, anything else does not matter, arguement reasoned or otherwise will not work in such situations.
As regards the forum, I dont see it requiring 75% of the population to vote in a National Leader and indeed I do believe the Minority won in the good old USA the last time.
Did not see Bush turning it down as he did not get the most votes, so if its good enough for them, this vote is good enough for me, even should I vote against it.
I think its called losing with dignity.
Vandal
Well, to be honest, the reason I’ve been “ignoring” the poll results lie primarily with the fact that Clint doesn’t think it’s a good move at this time. Or at least that’s how I interpret what he’s said. I’m quite honored that he (and MEGames as a whole) allows to me to provide this forum at all, so his opinions hold more weight than everyone else. Since he disagrees with me on the “splitting the forum” issue, I’m inclined to see things his way.
And also, my apologies if this issue seems to be getting out of hand, as that was never my intent. But then again, we all know what the road to hell is paved with.
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As regards the forum, I dont see it requiring 75% of the population to vote in a National Leader and indeed I do believe the Minority won in the good old USA the last time.
Did not see Bush turning it down as he did not get the most votes, so if its good enough for them, this vote is good enough for me, even should I vote against it.
Vandal [/b]
Seems Mr Vandal has a knack of twisting things to suit his argument. I was talking about changing constitutions he talks about electing leaders.
You are right Bush didn’t get the most votes, he won the most States.(Took a Lawyer to help him but them’s the rules over there)
J Howard in Australia also didn’t get the most votes but his party won the majority of the electorates.
The final point is this is a poll not a vote, Darrell was just testing the waters.
Regards Herman (Beware I am a marked man!) 
This is a very common saying in the U.S. it was not (IMO) and generally is not said as a comment on ones intellect.
Regarding polls, I think it is fine as it is. libary info in a seperate forum is great, and right now this forum is acting as the “game taunt/meet your neutrals” forum…
Pray tell where in the UK does it require a 75% vote to change the constituition.
New Zealand just did it on a a 51 or 51% vote to ammend theres.
The same applies in the UK, though I am sure you could find somewere it requires more.
This is a game and not the bill or rights and who died made you God and let you decide that we needed anything more than a 51% vote?
Of course the 1% being God who runs all games and somehow ignores any voting should he so desire.
On the Subject of KISS I repeat I am not American and do not seek to impose my own jargon on others without explaination.
I do believe such actions have led to one or two wars for real which we could all debate I am sure.
However we are diverting from the main point which is of course the vote and there is no point in discussing anyhthng else as I have made my point on the dealing to date and my mind is set.
And I still say 67% wins hands down for me.
Vandal
Originally posted by darrell
Does it make information harder to find because it’s in “The Library” and not in the main forum?
Yes, actually. As a frequent visitor, I set my settings to only show threads active for a certain number of days. Until I set it to “from the beginning” or whatever it’s called, all the Library stuff simply didn’t show up for me. Pain.
Player
Looking at the Admin forum and it’s quite obvious how entire forums will be taken off on tangents.darrells reply
I’m not sure I understand this.
I thought you did…that’s why you made it Admin only, no?
darrell
The whole point of the Announcement forum would be so that things like the Front Sheets could be seen and not pushed off of the front page in a day or two. Previously, if I was interested in getting into a new game, I had two real options: First, I could go to the Yahoo! list and go through the archives until I found the most recent frontsheet, or I could contact MEGames directly and ask. There was no way to quickly see “at a glance” what games were filling.
Excellent idea. Delete the Permanent “Welcome to the New Forum” after putting whatever relevant information on the other permanent “Help” thread (not sure if there’s any there, except Sam’s welcome…?) and have a Games Filling thread with Admin-Only rights Permanent at the top of this forum… Every time this information gets changed, it can simply be “Editted” on the same post, the new Edit Date will show up and the icon will show Yellow the next time we all log in. Always on top, always up to date, same old forum without having to surf and search.
darrell
It also works out that the Announcement forum is what’s used to “fill” the page at http://forums.halo5.net, which I hope is a convenience for at least a few people, but isn’t at all a requirement.
That’s a seperate website…how do you get there from halo5.net/meforums…? I see how you go the other way, though, but personally prefer simply going to the forum itself - easier to see/read the active threads, etc, if for no other reason than the font size.
All in all, though, accept my humble opinion as such and take it as appreciation for your good work, whether we’re in agreement or not, as I recognize who’s efforts have made it possible for me to prattle on so!
Brad