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#21

I am close to moonville...

To tell the truth, I vote for Charlotte... it isn't too big, it has a nice airport, and it isn't a money pit compared to DC, Boston, New York, etc.

Jason

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  Hey, I'm in SC also! That settles it. Shall we have the FTF game in Moonville or Possum Creek?

  But, yeah, I would drive 8-10 hours. I could also make something around Iowa or Minn. or Illinois if it was timed right.

  Russ

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    I am in South Carolina... I would likely participate if the event is within 16 hours of my location.

    Jason Mele

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      Thanks Eric, are there any other players you know who might be interested?
      Clint

      At 18:26 23/02/05, you wrote:

      >I'd be in. I'm in Connecticut, between New York and
      >Boston.
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#22

Yes, Blech.

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  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

  Blegh!

  -Russ

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    Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:10 PM
    Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

    1650 - no other is viable.

    Clint

    What scenario for the US FTF?

    >Jason Mele
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    > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:50 PM
    > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
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    > Darrell Shimel wrote:
    >
    > >>When you get to around
    > >>15-18 players then it should build up enough
    > >>momentum that others decide to
    > >>spend the extra $100 and travel etc. So I wouldn't
    > >>shoot the format down
    > >>yet - it's possible (even somewhat likely with
    > >>enough commitment I'd say).
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    > >Not sure how far you think we can travel for $100.
    > >That is what it would cost me for gas to drive the
    > >
    > >
    >
    > I think what he meant was, it's another $100 for a flight to the UK over
    > a flight to (say) New York.
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#23

I am close to moonville...

To tell the truth, I vote for Charlotte... it isn't too big, it has

a nice airport, and it isn't a money pit compared to DC, Boston, New
York, etc.

Jason

  From: RKF
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] US FTF

  Hey, I'm in SC also! That settles it. Shall we have the FTF

game in Moonville or Possum Creek?

  But, yeah, I would drive 8-10 hours. I could also make something

around Iowa or Minn. or Illinois if it was timed right.

  Russ

    From: Mele
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    Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:18 PM
    Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] US FTF

    I am in South Carolina... I would likely participate if the

event is within 16 hours of my location.

    Jason Mele

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      Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:55 PM
      Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] US FTF

      Thanks Eric, are there any other players you know who might

be interested?

      Clint

      >I'd be in. I'm in Connecticut, between New York and
      >Boston.
      >
      >Eric Knapp
      >--- ME Games Ltd <me@M...> wrote:
      >
      > > I need a lot more feedback on this one guys. So far
      > > I've got 13 players
      > > interested... :slight_smile:
      > >
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#24

:slight_smile: I love trying to get a FTF in the States organised... :slight_smile:

Clint

Yes, Blech.

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  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

  Blegh!

  -Russ

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    Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:10 PM
    Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

    1650 - no other is viable.

    Clint

    What scenario for the US FTF?

    >Jason Mele
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Jason Bennett
    > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:50 PM
    > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
    >
    > Darrell Shimel wrote:
    >
    > >>When you get to around
    > >>15-18 players then it should build up enough
    > >>momentum that others decide to
    > >>spend the extra $100 and travel etc. So I wouldn't
    > >>shoot the format down
    > >>yet - it's possible (even somewhat likely with
    > >>enough commitment I'd say).
    > >>
    > >
    > >Not sure how far you think we can travel for $100.
    > >That is what it would cost me for gas to drive the
    > >
    >
    > I think what he meant was, it's another $100 for a flight to the UK over
    > a flight to (say) New York.
    >
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#25

Not much love for DC but I'm all for it. I could drive down each
day. That would be nice...

Greg

I am close to moonville...

To tell the truth, I vote for Charlotte... it isn't too big, it has

a nice airport, and it isn't a money pit compared to DC, Boston, New
York, etc.

Jason

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  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] US FTF

  Hey, I'm in SC also! That settles it. Shall we have the FTF

game in Moonville or Possum Creek?

  But, yeah, I would drive 8-10 hours. I could also make something

around Iowa or Minn. or Illinois if it was timed right.

  Russ

    From: Mele
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    Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:18 PM
    Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] US FTF

    I am in South Carolina... I would likely participate if the

event is within 16 hours of my location.

    Jason Mele

      From: ME Games Ltd
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      Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:55 PM
      Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] US FTF

      Thanks Eric, are there any other players you know who might

be interested?

      Clint

      >I'd be in. I'm in Connecticut, between New York and
      >Boston.
      >
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      > > I've got 13 players
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#26

well, many of us have played 2950 for years, and
actually *like* the fragility. But in any event, I
hope you can pull this off.

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Yes, Blech.

>Jason
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#27

Eric Knapp wrote:

well, many of us have played 2950 for years, and
actually *like* the fragility. But in any event, I
hope you can pull this off.

As someone who loves 2950, the fragility is great, but 1650 has more immediate action for an FtF. Those things can't go 50 turns. :slight_smile:

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I can't fathom how they go more than 5 turns.

Jason

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  Eric Knapp wrote:

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  >hope you can pull this off.
  >
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  As someone who loves 2950, the fragility is great, but 1650 has more
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There's a difference between 2950 normal play and in a FTF environment.

I've run many FTFs now and even strong economies go belly-up with just one careless (or time-rushed) mistake. Also there's less 2950 players (1/3 I'd say) than 1650. I'm not saying 2950 is a better game or not - it's that for this format it's less robust and so more likely to have players have a less enjoyable time.

To get a FTF game going takes some compromise (by all I might add) otherwise it won't work. BUT before we go into the specifics about this until we get numbers and then I aim to see if we can get a game from that (it might be that it's 2950 but for now I can't see that happening).

Clint

well, many of us have played 2950 for years, and

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actually *like* the fragility. But in any event, I
hope you can pull this off.

Eric
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> :slight_smile: I love trying to get a FTF in the States
> organised... :slight_smile:
>
> Clint
>
> Yes, Blech.
>
> >Jason
> >
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> > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
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> > Blegh!
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> > -Russ
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> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
> >
> > 1650 - no other is viable.
> >
> > Clint
> >
> > What scenario for the US FTF?
> >
> > >Jason Mele
> > >
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> > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
> > >
> > > Darrell Shimel wrote:
> > >
> > > >>When you get to around
> > > >>15-18 players then it should build up
> enough
> > > >>momentum that others decide to
> > > >>spend the extra $100 and travel etc. So
> I wouldn't
> > > >>shoot the format down
> > > >>yet - it's possible (even somewhat
> likely with
> > > >>enough commitment I'd say).
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Not sure how far you think we can travel
> for $100.
> > > >That is what it would cost me for gas to
> drive the
> > > >
> > >
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> $100 for a flight to the
> > UK over
> > > a flight to (say) New York.
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#30

Game 221 - 2950, went 50 turns and almost 2 years. It
was fun! :slight_smile:

JCC

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I can't fathom how they go more than 5 turns.

Jason

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  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

  Eric Knapp wrote:

  >well, many of us have played 2950 for years, and
  >actually *like* the fragility. But in any event,
I
  >hope you can pull this off.
  >
  >

  As someone who loves 2950, the fragility is great,
but 1650 has more
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What your saying when you use phrases like "fragile economies" and "less robust" is that there is "more carefull thinking" involved in 2950... correct?

:stuck_out_tongue:

Jason

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  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

  There's a difference between 2950 normal play and in a FTF environment.

  I've run many FTFs now and even strong economies go belly-up with just one
  careless (or time-rushed) mistake. Also there's less 2950 players (1/3 I'd
  say) than 1650. I'm not saying 2950 is a better game or not - it's that
  for this format it's less robust and so more likely to have players have a
  less enjoyable time.

  To get a FTF game going takes some compromise (by all I might add)
  otherwise it won't work. BUT before we go into the specifics about this
  until we get numbers and then I aim to see if we can get a game from that
  (it might be that it's 2950 but for now I can't see that happening).

  Clint

  well, many of us have played 2950 for years, and
  >actually *like* the fragility. But in any event, I
  >hope you can pull this off.
  >
  >Eric
  >--- ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
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  > > :slight_smile: I love trying to get a FTF in the States
  > > organised... :slight_smile:
  > >
  > > Clint
  > >
  > >
  > > Yes, Blech.
  > >
  > > >Jason
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  > > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  > > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:55 AM
  > > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
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  > > >
  > > > Blegh!
  > > >
  > > > -Russ
  > > >
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  > > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
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  > > >
  > > > 1650 - no other is viable.
  > > >
  > > > Clint
  > > >
  > > > What scenario for the US FTF?
  > > >
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  > > > > >>When you get to around
  > > > > >>15-18 players then it should build up
  > > enough
  > > > > >>momentum that others decide to
  > > > > >>spend the extra $100 and travel etc. So
  > > I wouldn't
  > > > > >>shoot the format down
  > > > > >>yet - it's possible (even somewhat
  > > likely with
  > > > > >>enough commitment I'd say).
  > > > > >>
  > > > > >>
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  > > for $100.
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  > > > >
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#32

Yes - and in a FTF that's hard to organise. Or you can do but then you slow down turnaround to a crawl. The Copenhagen game had a couple of players slowly do their turns (despite having them first - we work to the slowest teams - generally DS) and trying to very intricate plans etc that just took a lot of time for a small gain so slowed turnaround around so I reckon we missed 2 turns and for a group of players that are new to this all etc then.

Also 1650 has the faster start so better for FTF games. Lots going on right from the start so that's useful.

Normally I can organise (if TC) the buyout, rough army plans, gold sends, artefact retrieval etc in the first 10 minutes (takes a bit of "QUIET!" and Ulrik to be a capable side-kick) etc. The other 40 minutes are for getting the orders done, helping out less experienced players and the minutae.

Tom: Oh yeh a printer or two compatible with what we've got so that we can print out turns. (We'd bring 4 but just in case - one for printing out a map as well).

Clint

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What your saying when you use phrases like "fragile economies" and "less robust" is that there is "more carefull thinking" involved in 2950... correct?

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FOUR!!!

Ye gods, your baggage must be fun to watch go through Customs...

Just one thought: would it be economical to arrange to buy four cheap
printers in the US and then simply sell them afterwards at a discount to
players/locals who want them. Presumably, the balance could then be put
against the company tax bill. Plus, you lug around a lot less breakable
stuff...

Gavin

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Tom: Oh yeh a printer or two compatible with what we've got so that we can
print out turns. (We'd bring 4 but just in case - one for printing out a
map as well).

#34

Problem is that things might not be compatible. :slight_smile:

I've been through US customs a few times and it's fun anyway...

Clint

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At 00:18 25/02/05, you wrote:

FOUR!!!

Ye gods, your baggage must be fun to watch go through Customs...

Just one thought: would it be economical to arrange to buy four cheap
printers in the US and then simply sell them afterwards at a discount to
players/locals who want them. Presumably, the balance could then be put
against the company tax bill. Plus, you lug around a lot less breakable
stuff...

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#35

Is there something special about the software or hardware you use that would
make a bog standard printer incompatible then? At least the current and
plugs would be guaranteed suitable for local use. :slight_smile:

Gavin

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···

Problem is that things might not be compatible. :slight_smile:

I've been through US customs a few times and it's fun anyway...

Clint

At 00:18 25/02/05, you wrote:

FOUR!!!

Ye gods, your baggage must be fun to watch go through Customs...

Just one thought: would it be economical to arrange to buy four cheap
printers in the US and then simply sell them afterwards at a discount to
players/locals who want them. Presumably, the balance could then be put
against the company tax bill. Plus, you lug around a lot less breakable
stuff...

Gavin

#36

What Clint means is 1650 is Checkers and 2950 is Chess.

Russ / Elitist 2950'er

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----- Original Message -----
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  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

  What your saying when you use phrases like "fragile economies" and "less robust" is that there is "more carefull thinking" involved in 2950... correct?

  :P

  Jason

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    There's a difference between 2950 normal play and in a FTF environment.

    I've run many FTFs now and even strong economies go belly-up with just one
    careless (or time-rushed) mistake. Also there's less 2950 players (1/3 I'd
    say) than 1650. I'm not saying 2950 is a better game or not - it's that
    for this format it's less robust and so more likely to have players have a
    less enjoyable time.

    To get a FTF game going takes some compromise (by all I might add)
    otherwise it won't work. BUT before we go into the specifics about this
    until we get numbers and then I aim to see if we can get a game from that
    (it might be that it's 2950 but for now I can't see that happening).

    Clint

    well, many of us have played 2950 for years, and
    >actually *like* the fragility. But in any event, I
    >hope you can pull this off.
    >
    >Eric
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    > > Clint
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    > > Yes, Blech.
    > >
    > > >Jason
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    > > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:55 AM
    > > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
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    > > > Blegh!
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    > > > 1650 - no other is viable.
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    > > > Clint
    > > >
    > > > What scenario for the US FTF?
    > > >
    > > > >Jason Mele
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    > > > > >>When you get to around
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    > > > > >>spend the extra $100 and travel etc. So
    > > I wouldn't
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#37

:slight_smile: Most amusing. Played enough competition chess to think that's a GOOD thing! :slight_smile:

Clint

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What Clint means is 1650 is Checkers and 2950 is Chess.

Russ / Elitist 2950'er

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Mele
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  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

  What your saying when you use phrases like "fragile economies" and "less robust" is that there is "more carefull thinking" involved in 2950... correct?

  :P

  Jason

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: ME Games Ltd
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    Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:32 PM
    Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF

    There's a difference between 2950 normal play and in a FTF environment.

    I've run many FTFs now and even strong economies go belly-up with just one
    careless (or time-rushed) mistake. Also there's less 2950 players (1/3 I'd
    say) than 1650. I'm not saying 2950 is a better game or not - it's that
    for this format it's less robust and so more likely to have players have a
    less enjoyable time.

    To get a FTF game going takes some compromise (by all I might add)
    otherwise it won't work. BUT before we go into the specifics about this
    until we get numbers and then I aim to see if we can get a game from that
    (it might be that it's 2950 but for now I can't see that happening).

    Clint

    well, many of us have played 2950 for years, and
    >actually *like* the fragility. But in any event, I
    >hope you can pull this off.
    >
    >Eric
    >--- ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
    >
    > > :slight_smile: I love trying to get a FTF in the States
    > > organised... :slight_smile:
    > >
    > > Clint
    > >
    > > Yes, Blech.
    > >
    > > >Jason
    > > >
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: RKF
    > > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:55 AM
    > > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
    > > >
    > > > Blegh!
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    > > > -Russ
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    > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:10 PM
    > > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
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    > > > 1650 - no other is viable.
    > > >
    > > > Clint
    > > >
    > > > What scenario for the US FTF?
    > > >
    > > > >Jason Mele
    > > > >
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    > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:50 PM
    > > > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: US FTF
    > > > >
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    > > > >
    > > > > >>When you get to around
    > > > > >>15-18 players then it should build up
    > > enough
    > > > > >>momentum that others decide to
    > > > > >>spend the extra $100 and travel etc. So
    > > I wouldn't
    > > > > >>shoot the format down
    > > > > >>yet - it's possible (even somewhat
    > > likely with
    > > > > >>enough commitment I'd say).
    > > > > >>
    > > > > >
    > > > > >Not sure how far you think we can travel
    > > for $100.
    > > > > >That is what it would cost me for gas to
    > > drive the
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > I think what he meant was, it's another
    > > $100 for a flight to the
    > > > UK over
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#38

Or is 2950 where the wounded dogs, crippled elders, and "special" youth who can't keep up go to make friends amongst their peers...?

Brad "Elite THIS" Brunet
;-p

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----- Original Message ----- From: "RKF" <rkfloyd@charter.net>
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What Clint means is 1650 is Checkers and 2950 is Chess.

Russ / Elitist 2950'er

#39

Er . . how many 2950's have I seen you in now Brad? :slight_smile:

Russ

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----- Original Message -----
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  Or is 2950 where the wounded dogs, crippled elders, and "special" youth who
  can't keep up go to make friends amongst their peers...?

  Brad "Elite THIS" Brunet
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  > What Clint means is 1650 is Checkers and 2950 is Chess.
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  > Russ / Elitist 2950'er

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#40

The substantial difference here is that both versions of the game have "...wounded dogs, crippled elders, and "special" youth..." save that those in 1650 get prostheses, seeing eye dogs, etc. to compensate for their inadequacies/frailties as players.

Jason

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  Er . . how many 2950's have I seen you in now Brad? :slight_smile:

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    Or is 2950 where the wounded dogs, crippled elders, and "special" youth who
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    Brad "Elite THIS" Brunet
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