The game folded early (T14) by FP consent, but don’t be fooled: despite infighting, there were some excellent turns. Battles at the Black Gate were especially exciting. Kudos to the Eothraim (Mike) and Dog Lord (Ron) for their respective leadership there.
Easterlings, Rhudaur went FP. Corsairs (me), Harad went DS. Duns went DS but turned over all holdings to FP in the following two turns.
YEEEEEEEAAAH Muzzy is back Again.
Carn Dum was left in Revel !! one turn more and it becomes Mine again.
I just managed to stop frees at Angrenost Area and in the North of Mirkwood when I was sweept in Angmar, but it seems it was effective enought.
Dear Elrond, even Ji Killed you … the Idea of moving there was mine jejeje
Well … to My team just say that Winning FP at turn 14 having the half of them in Winter it’s just AWESOME!! and I’m really proud of it.
and well … can I have now the promised explain of why Rhudaur jumped at my neck by turn 2 when I managed to destroy Cardolan Armies and I was going to face Arthedain having improved 2 MT to cities and going to improve more?
Why do you get Rhudaur thinking that? what you did, is to join one game completelly aligned, because you did knew that Rhudaur in Winter has that situation. Anyway you saw me hiring new armies at 5000 gold and rising 2 MT to cities, and indeed the turn you entered me I was going to Improve another one and I created 4 characters in the first 3 turns.
DS had not so economic problems. in fact the prove is that we could afford me improving and indeed I have been playing all the game up untill the end.
Thats a load of crap, if the free need to make themselves feel better by saying “oh harad went early this or corsairs did that”. then fine pat yourselves on back thinking you took some higher road.
Harad may have initially blocked the SG navy on incident, Im curious how the free reacted, did they threaten did they accuse? Im sure they did! The game ended early from what I hear because of fiery tempers so getting in the Harads face doesnt surprise me in the least So why after being named a DS would they try to work with the free?
Your theories on the Corsair/harad would be like me calling Brad and Chris(EA) pre-disposed aswell, both seemed to vouch for either neutrality or even leaning DS, EA told me he wanted to move an army through to position for a NM attack, well he didnt, and surprise he went Free, did we whine about it? Nope I called him a liar promised to see him soon, and made sure his existance in the game was painful and short lived…I think the DS as a team put that plan into action quite well.
So Brad, it would have been great to have ya as an ally but I know it doesnt always work out, we live with it, I worked with you once as a DS when we revealed Imaldris and you ramapaged.,.this time you didnt…but Nick your assumptions are ridiculious and asinine, your team fell apart by bickering, that was your loss not this “early” declaration nonsense.
It seems that from turn 0 to 1 with fleet movement there was an agreement between Harad and Eothraim (I dunno what eothraim was doing here, usually SG speaks with Ha) Turn 1-2 blame against Harad from the frees, indeed it seemed that Eothraimm player did not told the rest of the team about Harad movements?
Rhudaur jumps at Wk neck.
Wk and DS in general speak to the other neutrals about this.
Harad and Corsairs comment on the matter.
Turn 2-3 harad blocks and Corsairs show up, and decide to join DS.
Several reasons might be in play here.
1.- What happened between Harad and Frees? I was told that indeed Eothraim player left at turn 2? Something really hidden here.
2.- Rhudaur action caused reaction among the other neutrals.
Indeed it seems that, Rhudaur attack helped more DS than FP.
I was talking to Cardolan regularly and he was also surprised with that. Duns indeed never entered into play since he left the nation be crushed, he only destroyed tharbad and one town when he could just crushed all incoming armies in the area.
I guess that indeed just Harad and Corsairs can say what happened. But I can assure you that at least Corsairs was not prealligned. (and I honestly believe Harad was also not prealligned) but … who knows.
Nick , I think you have it wrong, except perhaps in the fact I may have misread your post, however you have mine all wrong aswell, so let me try and clarify?
All Im saying is to our knowledge, pride or otherwise, we did not have the harad/corsairs “in our pockets”, you believe what you want…this is the truth, what point is there to skirt around the truth here? All Im saying pre-conceived or not, Harad/Cors were not DS that early…thats all I was saying. Yes they had an impact, it was NG and SG troops you sent down, and Finally EA and SE/NE…without them tied up things would have been different
As for you casadine, whom I can only assume is the EA, yes you said you were moving an army into position for a NM strike, lie whatever, doesnt matter now…as for shortcomings, we sure did a number on you, infact you are the only reason Im sad the game ended as early as it did, since I was marching on your capital that turn…oh well…better luck next time
Brad is a Cheat
Nick is a Liar
Scott is a Cheat, an Idiot and a Liar
Chris is a sneak
Dan is a snow monkey
Ricard Sucks
Nightsbane cant find his a$$ with both hands
You guys figure out which ones of those I really meant
Oh yeah, nanny nanny boo boo
Mikeoracercared, reserving his bitternes for those yet to post
It seems that from turn 0 to 1 with fleet movement there was an agreement between Harad and Eothraim (I dunno what eothraim was doing here, usually SG speaks with Ha) Turn 1-2 blame against Harad from the frees, indeed it seemed that Eothraimm player did not told the rest of the team about Harad movements?
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Hi,
I was that original Eothraim player and the above statement is incorrect. Prior to turn 1 being processed, I saw that my old mate Scott Moyes was Harad. So I sent him a small mail saying “alrite mate, hope ye join us” sort of thing…but no movement was organised. Why ? Cause I was Eothraim and it was up to SG to discuss this over with Scott. However, the situation got complicated simply because the SG player wasn’t online due to computer problems. (confirmed by others playing with him from other games).
The result was no SG communication with the Fp team and no SG-Harad communication. The night before the first turn was due to be run, the SG got in touch proposing orders that would screw up the FP turn 1 strategy which I replied asking him to change to fit with the team’s strategy. He replied asking me to submit orders that would fit with the team’s strategy.
So there I was, a few hours before deadline having to write turn 1 orders for another nation. I did the best I could but I had no time to discuss with Scott and at this point the FP side were not aware that he was moving his Northern navy south. Also I simply forgot to hold the SG navy to avoid the Harad navy. Result was a harad and SG “hello sailor” meeting. In my opinion, it was an honest accident due to lack of communication, complicated by the fact that SG was offline and that I had hours to write SG orders.
But the above statement from WK stating that I did not inform the rest of the team of harad movements prior to turn 1 being processed is just plain wrong.
turn2 was different. I asked and got agreement from Scott to move sw. Alas Harad went east which blocked SG again… obviously Scott decided to go DS, probably after he gave me agreement to go sw…possibly caused by unnecessary comments made in the public forum. So Harad blocking the SG is all fair for a neutral going DS … so I’m unsure of why everyone is so angry.
Whether it’s actually true or not that Harad decided to go DS on turn2 is debatable but the information that the FP had from their turnsheets suggested that Harad were going DS on turn2.
The reasons I dropped are my own and I will not make them the subject of a public forum/debate.
Originally posted by Crazy Ivan
[b]Wasn’t that an interresting venting?
Cascadine is Chris, our Easterling Buddy.
Brad is a Cheat
Nick is a Liar
Scott is a Cheat, an Idiot and a Liar
Chris is a sneak
Dan is a snow monkey
Ricard Sucks
Nightsbane cant find his a$$ with both hands
You guys figure out which ones of those I really meant
Oh yeah, nanny nanny boo boo
Mikeoracercared, reserving his bitternes for those yet to post [/b]
Hey Mike,
You forgot the one where I was a DS ringer and that I was really running Harad/Corsairs and Dunlendings. I’m still annoyed that I didn’t manage to bankrupt Eothraim in 2 turns though!
Greetings crazy.
I resent the implication I’m just a liar. I am a great liar.I believe I can also cheat as well as Brad. I also do not need to be in a barroom to be an idiot. Plus I can be just as confused as nightbane. However I am not a snowmonkey. OK well maybe. Aw right Aw right I’m a snowmonkey also.
Nick
Hey guys, I just want to remind everyone in this thread that personal attacks, or disparaging remarks that could be construed as a personal attack, are not permitted on these forums.
I urge everyone involved here to re-read some of your replies and perhaps make a few edits as necessary to make this discussion more civil. I am too lazy to edit individual posts myself, so I’ll just delete the whole thread if the direction of this discussion doesn’t change.
Please feel free to continue the discussion in private or through some medium other than this forum.
Litigation?? whatever it seems rather sad, when an “ingame” situation makes you refer to out of game feelings…Nick and I have bantered like this back and forth in other games in other incarnations, and nothing was EVER taken personally…this is last Ill write to this thread, because frankly to consider litigation is the most extreme thing I think Ive ever heard here…
Deleted my posts, feel free to do the same with the thread. This game is the reason why 1 week games aren’t very popular. Which is a damn shame, because 1 week is certainly the proper pace for this game.
The problem is not the game, but the players. It is no question of money and time, but who people taks all around the game. Nothing more, what started as a question of why rhudaur acted that way, has turned into another thing. Don’t blame 1 week, blame other matters.
I love 1 week games! Wish they were all 1 week games! Agreed the “blame” isn’t the “1 week game”. But I’m outspoken enough, I don’t have to pontificate on where the blame lies, I’m sure there are enough fingers pointed at me.
Originally posted by Player :rolleyes: Deleted my posts, feel free to do the same with the thread. This game is the reason why 1 week games aren’t very popular. Which is a damn shame, because 1 week is certainly the proper pace for this game.
Arfanbrad
I opened this threat to note that despite the above problems, we still saw excellent plays: several close turns at the Black Gate, an unusual number of naval battles, fast play in Angmar and Rhun.
It’s a shame the game fell under internal collapse, but there were some genuinely smart moves all the same. Look who’s posting here! Mike, Nick, Brad - you put in some of the best turns of the game.
As a founding member of the secret Harad/Corsairs conspiracy, I can attest once and for all that there was no Harad/Corsairs conspiracy. Had no leaning at start and joined the team that seemed most cohesive.
The game also wasn’t unbalanced by declaration – aggressive Rhudaur and Easterling moves, coupled with good Nmen play and proper handling of Angmar, kept things lively. Only internal strife undid the game, and it’s not the fault of anyone here.
Except Mike, of course. Feel free to blame Mike, even for other games, and do it quickly, before Darrell edits your posts!
