I don't really understand your strident opposition to the idea of
forcing an end to a game.
Because it's a decision which is external to the mechanics of
the game. Who are you, or indeed anybody else, to decide if
a player's position is untenable or not?
It's quite possible for that one player to slowly but
surely eliminate other nations, one by one. Surely he should
be given the right to try.
Or are you saying that your fun has greater weight than his?
Gavin
No. One person's fun has no greater weight than any other one person's
(unless that person is me, of course) :).
However, fun is not the only issue involved. There is time, money, a
business model (if Harlequin goes bust then no-one gets to play), and
the fact that Harlequin is starting to score/rank players. The cold
hard fact is that unless Harlequin keeps a lid on the acts of
_individuals_ that ruin the fun _groups of players_ then all they'll
be left with is a small pack of die-hard libertarians playing their
game. Of course, how they go about applying that lid is incredibly
important. But do it they must or go bankrupt they will (sorry for
mixing universes).
Keith
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Gavin Wynford-Jones <gavinwj@c...>
wrote:
>
> I don't really understand your strident opposition to the idea of
> forcing an end to a game.Because it's a decision which is external to the mechanics of
the game. Who are you, or indeed anybody else, to decide if
a player's position is untenable or not?It's quite possible for that one player to slowly but
surely eliminate other nations, one by one. Surely he should
be given the right to try.Or are you saying that your fun has greater weight than his?
Gavin
Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote:
Or are you saying that your fun has greater weight than his?
I'm saying that you give all weight to his fun and no weight to "mine."
It is possible to determine when a position is tenable, especially in extreme conditions such as 12-1. Sure, if it was 8-4, I'd say play it out. If it was even 8-2, I'd be loath to force any concession. In this case, though, there can only be one outcome.
I appreciate your concerns about players dropping. Personally, I haven't been bitten by that problem too much, but I agree it's something that should be discouraged. Just because there's a problem on one end, though, doesn't mean the other extreme is any better.
jason
--
Jason Bennett, jasonab@acm.org
E pur si muove!
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Gavin Wynford-Jones <gavinwj@c...>
wrote:
>
> I don't really understand your strident opposition to the idea
of
> forcing an end to a game.
Because it's a decision which is external to the mechanics of
the game. Who are you, or indeed anybody else, to decide if
a player's position is untenable or not.
*****well, when it's a 12 to 1 game....
*****You sound like you've played ME long enough. How many teams
have you seen win a game with 1 to 3 nations or even 1 to 2
nations? Name the game number. I've played this game for over ten
years now and I can easily say that I've never seen a team come back
from a 1 to 2 ratio of nations.
It's quite possible for that one player to slowly but
surely eliminate other nations, one by one. Surely he should
be given the right to try.
*****Is this one player going to slowly but surely going to
eliminate all 12 of us? Or is it just possible that we won this
game? Hmmmm...
Or are you saying that your fun has greater weight than his?
Gavin
I'm saying the money of 12 players weighs more than the money of 1
player.
jmason86 wrote:
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Gavin Wynford-Jones <gavinwj@c...>
wrote:
> >
> > I don't really understand your strident opposition to the idea
of
> > forcing an end to a game.
>
> Because it's a decision which is external to the mechanics of
> the game. Who are you, or indeed anybody else, to decide if
> a player's position is untenable or not.*****well, when it's a 12 to 1 game....
*****You sound like you've played ME long enough. How many teams
have you seen win a game with 1 to 3 nations or even 1 to 2
nations? Name the game number. I've played this game for over ten
years now and I can easily say that I've never seen a team come back
from a 1 to 2 ratio of nations.
Its the players money and if he wants to spend it on hopeless odds that
is his decision. He pays for his turns so he gets to decide.
Some players I have played with have made oaths not to drop a game that
they will be eliminated before they drop and consider it a matter of
integrity and if the drop then their word means nothing.
Yes you pay to play but when you join a team game as this sound to be you need to
accept the rules your team captain have made, mayby you don't accept them but you are on a team so you have to be the humble servant otherwise you shouldn't have joined the game.
No I havn't played in this game I know if it was the WC it would have ended as the team captain have raised the white flag and as Jmason86 worte it's up to Clint when he comes back.
Cheers,
Ben (Denmark)
----- Original Message -----
From: kurgan <kurgan@olp.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: 2-1 Let the game end
jmason86 wrote:
>
> --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Gavin Wynford-Jones <gavinwj@c...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't really understand your strident opposition to the idea
> of
> > > forcing an end to a game.
> >
> > Because it's a decision which is external to the mechanics of
> > the game. Who are you, or indeed anybody else, to decide if
> > a player's position is untenable or not.
>
> *****well, when it's a 12 to 1 game....
>
> *****You sound like you've played ME long enough. How many teams
> have you seen win a game with 1 to 3 nations or even 1 to 2
> nations? Name the game number. I've played this game for over ten
> years now and I can easily say that I've never seen a team come back
> from a 1 to 2 ratio of nations.
>Its the players money and if he wants to spend it on hopeless odds that
is his decision. He pays for his turns so he gets to decide.Some players I have played with have made oaths not to drop a game that
they will be eliminated before they drop and consider it a matter of
integrity and if the drop then their word means nothing.Middle Earth PBM - hit reply to send to everyone
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Actually, it's not entirely his decision. Harlequin still gets to
decide whether they're going to accept his turn fee and allow the game
to continue.
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, kurgan <kurgan@o...> wrote:
jmason86 wrote:
>
> --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Gavin Wynford-Jones <gavinwj@c...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't really understand your strident opposition to the idea
> of
> > > forcing an end to a game.
> >
> > Because it's a decision which is external to the mechanics of
> > the game. Who are you, or indeed anybody else, to decide if
> > a player's position is untenable or not.
>
> *****well, when it's a 12 to 1 game....
>
> *****You sound like you've played ME long enough. How many teams
> have you seen win a game with 1 to 3 nations or even 1 to 2
> nations? Name the game number. I've played this game for over ten
> years now and I can easily say that I've never seen a team come back
> from a 1 to 2 ratio of nations.
>Its the players money and if he wants to spend it on hopeless odds that
is his decision. He pays for his turns so he gets to decide.Some players I have played with have made oaths not to drop a game that
they will be eliminated before they drop and consider it a matter of
integrity and if the drop then their word means nothing.