A silly thought

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#1

As an aside, why do ya wanna assassinate one. If you are dark there are few free
dragons to be recruited and they hardly use them anyway so the 25K+ combat bonus for armies makes them well worth keeping and too valuable to just
knock one off.

If you is a freep, fighting, PCing is far better way to kill for a profit, as your agents won't be able to do it until late game, even with toys. Some dragons seem to be tougher than others though it may be a bit of the random PC magic that the program uses. They do appear to have different combat values in army warfare so maybe some ARE bigger.
I have never tried to curse one, i'll get back to you i'm only playing one game a 'grudge' and i don't think the team would lend me an artii to train up and go learnin on a dragon. Could always ask though, that's what team captains are for :wink:

Adrian

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From: Jeff Glover <paolotendes@yahoo.com>
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:47:29 +0100 (BST)

Yep, known as "generic dragon in lair" on Bobbins. Character encounters dragon lying atop treasure in lair but no name is given.
   
  Jeff

Guy <happymadcat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
          
Adrian,

Unamed dragons?

Guy

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Adrian Sheridan" <morgoth@...> wrote:

dargons are just named chars with very high rank. You can PC, steal

from and assassinate. Unfortunately as they are unnamed the 'other'
dragons can't be targeted, but the named ones ya can do this to. I
have NEVER seen anyone double a named dragon but i've never seen
anyone double gandalf either, but he can be assassinated, PC'd and
stolen from. It's all in a name :wink:

Adrian

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From: "Charles Crooks@..." <wargamer@...>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:25:02 -0600

I'm thinking it was Puff.
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From: Brad Brunet
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Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:32 PM
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And I'm interested in which dragon it was...

Brad

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> Yes, and successfully..
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> An old work college of mine who (John Francos for
> those who remember
> him), used to play alot in the 90's, successfully
> assassinated a dragon..
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> If I remember rightly GAD/ALLSORTS actually told
> him he was the first
> person to ever do it..
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> Dave Pearson
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#2

"maybe"...???

Read their descriptions and battle reports. Some are
"huge" others "stunted". Some are old, some are
young, some fly around casting spells at the enemy
some wander about slashing their claws at the enemy.
Oh yes, they are as different as characters as Baranor
and Elrond..

Brad

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--- Adrian Sheridan <morgoth@aussiemail.com.au> wrote:

Some
dragons seem to be tougher than others though it may
be a bit of the random PC magic that the program
uses. They do appear to have different combat values
in army warfare so maybe some ARE bigger.

#3

How can the team lend you arties in a grudge Adrian? Its a
coincidence as the game I'm considering attempting 615 dragons
is a grudge but I already have the agent arties etc..

Why do I want to assass/curse dragons? Partly as another
option in defence and attack strategies and partly because
I would like to explore parts of ME I havent discovered yet
and create new data for the ME community. And thats a hard
task considering the many exellent players out there. Ofcourse
its not a constructive tactic to eliminate dragons playing DS.

Guy

As an aside, why do ya wanna assassinate one. If you are dark there

are few free

dragons to be recruited and they hardly use them anyway so the 25K+

combat bonus for armies makes them well worth keeping and too valuable
to just

knock one off.

If you is a freep, fighting, PCing is far better way to kill for a

profit, as your agents won't be able to do it until late game, even
with toys. Some dragons seem to be tougher than others though it may
be a bit of the random PC magic that the program uses. They do appear
to have different combat values in army warfare so maybe some ARE bigger.

I have never tried to curse one, i'll get back to you i'm only

playing one game a 'grudge' and i don't think the team would lend me
an artii to train up and go learnin on a dragon. Could always ask
though, that's what team captains are for :wink:

Adrian

--- paolotendes@... wrote:

From: Jeff Glover <paolotendes@...>
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:47:29 +0100 (BST)

Yep, known as "generic dragon in lair" on Bobbins. Character

encounters dragon lying atop treasure in lair but no name is given.

   
  Jeff

Guy <happymadcat@...> wrote:
          
Adrian,

Unamed dragons?

Guy

>
> dargons are just named chars with very high rank. You can PC, steal
from and assassinate. Unfortunately as they are unnamed the 'other'
dragons can't be targeted, but the named ones ya can do this to. I
have NEVER seen anyone double a named dragon but i've never seen
anyone double gandalf either, but he can be assassinated, PC'd and
stolen from. It's all in a name :wink:
>
> Adrian
>
> --- wargamer@ wrote:
>
> From: "Charles Crooks@" <wargamer@>
> To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought
> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:25:02 -0600
>
> I'm thinking it was Puff.
> From: Brad Brunet
> To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought
>
>
> And I'm interested in which dragon it was...
>
> Brad
>
> --- "Charles Crooks@" <wargamer@>
> wrote:
>
> > How "big"
> > was the Agent he used?
> > From: Dave
> > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:37 AM
> > Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought
> >
> >
> > Yes, and successfully..
> >
> > An old work college of mine who (John Francos for
> > those who remember
> > him), used to play alot in the 90's, successfully
> > assassinated a dragon..
> >
> > If I remember rightly GAD/ALLSORTS actually told
> > him he was the first
> > person to ever do it..
> >
> > Dave Pearson
> >
> > --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Guy"
> > <happymadcat@> wrote:
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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Adrian Sheridan" <morgoth@...> wrote:

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#4

I seem to have an effective talent for finding Dragons which would be good except that the dragons I continually find seem to eat my characters as Free and DS. If I am in any game that has someone killing Dragons with Assass then good luck to them I say.

Thomas
Gunboat Game 29

How can the team lend you arties in a grudge Adrian? Its a
coincidence as the game I'm considering attempting 615 dragons
is a grudge but I already have the agent arties etc..

Why do I want to assass/curse dragons? Partly as another
option in defence and attack strategies and partly because
I would like to explore parts of ME I havent discovered yet
and create new data for the ME community. And thats a hard
task considering the many exellent players out there. Ofcourse
its not a constructive tactic to eliminate dragons playing DS.

Guy

#5

Because they're there..and they're big and ugly and
manly men say "I can TOO kill you, you big ugly..."

b

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--- Guy <happymadcat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Why do I want to assass/curse dragons?

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Adrian Sheridan"
<morgoth@...> wrote:
>
> As an aside, why do ya wanna assassinate one.

#6

Yep. 'Course they are ALL so tough that having one in an army is a huge advantage over not having one.

My friend Jeremy Richman once went on a dragon-slaying spree with Elrond in a 1650 game. Loaded him up with mage artifacts etc. and a decent weapon that had the hidden power of being more effective against dragons (I forget the wording) -- I don't recall if there was some other artifact that also improved his odds against dragons as well. Anyway, in that game Elrond slew multiple dragon, I think some just in personal challenges and some in encounters using the attack option. The former helped push his mage rank up a bit, not to mention making the DS army commander weep when he saw his ace in the hole get trumped right before the battle, the latter got him the usual rewards for defeating an encounter with an NPC, treasure, lost list spells, whatever. Anyway, challenging a dragon in an enemy army just before a battle only happened once if I recall, but hey, characters WITH an army are not immune to 'surprise' challenges... :slight_smile:

-- Ernie III

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-----Original Message-----
From: bbrunec296@rogers.com
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought

--- Adrian Sheridan <morgoth@aussiemail.com.au> wrote:

Some
dragons seem to be tougher than others though it may
be a bit of the random PC magic that the program
uses. They do appear to have different combat values
in army warfare so maybe some ARE bigger.

"maybe"...???

Read their descriptions and battle reports. Some are
"huge" others "stunted". Some are old, some are
young, some fly around casting spells at the enemy
some wander about slashing their claws at the enemy.
Oh yes, they are as different as characters as Baranor
and Elrond..

Brad

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#7

Jeremy came up with a strategy once to take out the Dwarves
capital and moved all his armies down in the attempt and
talked Rhuduar into joining the DS.. End result, he never
got the dragon he hoped for and Card and me (Noldo/Arth) rolled
over him and Rhuduar by turn 8.

Always wondered if it was actually possible for WK to take
out 2212 since then.. :slight_smile:

Guy

Yep. 'Course they are ALL so tough that having one in an army is a

huge advantage over not having one.

My friend Jeremy Richman once went on a dragon-slaying spree with

Elrond in a 1650 game. Loaded him up with mage artifacts etc. and a
decent weapon that had the hidden power of being more effective
against dragons (I forget the wording) -- I don't recall if there was
some other artifact that also improved his odds against dragons as
well. Anyway, in that game Elrond slew multiple dragon, I think some
just in personal challenges and some in encounters using the attack
option. The former helped push his mage rank up a bit, not to mention
making the DS army commander weep when he saw his ace in the hole get
trumped right before the battle, the latter got him the usual rewards
for defeating an encounter with an NPC, treasure, lost list spells,
whatever. Anyway, challenging a dragon in an enemy army just before a
battle only happened once if I recall, but hey, characters WITH an
army are not immune to 'surprise' challenges... :slight_smile:

-- Ernie III

From: bbrunec296@...
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought

--- Adrian Sheridan <morgoth@...> wrote:

> Some
> dragons seem to be tougher than others though it may
> be a bit of the random PC magic that the program
> uses. They do appear to have different combat values
> in army warfare so maybe some ARE bigger.

"maybe"...???

Read their descriptions and battle reports. Some are
"huge" others "stunted". Some are old, some are
young, some fly around casting spells at the enemy
some wander about slashing their claws at the enemy.
Oh yes, they are as different as characters as Baranor
and Elrond..

Brad

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#8

I remember watching that game... He was going for the
Threat if I recall...? City/Citadel/Capital...that's
one tough nut...

Brad

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--- Guy <happymadcat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Jeremy came up with a strategy once to take out the
Dwarves
capital and moved all his armies down in the attempt
and
talked Rhuduar into joining the DS.. End result, he
never
got the dragon he hoped for and Card and me
(Noldo/Arth) rolled
over him and Rhuduar by turn 8.

Always wondered if it was actually possible for WK
to take
out 2212 since then.. :slight_smile:

Guy

#9

Actually a threat is not that hard, IF you have a commander whose effective rank is greater than 100.

As the Dog Lord, I once, having gotten hold of the Dwarven Ring of Power along with some other command artifacts (including another Dwarven one, Belt of Durin or something), managed to threaten Moria, still a City/Citadel, with only just over 1000 troops -- because my effective command rank was around 150. It was pretty sweet, using the dwarven artifacts to take away their capital. Wasn't that tough at all...

In fact, both sides in 1650 have access to enough command artifacts of their own such that if they combine them in the right way they can threaten big heavily fortified pop centers just fine. But it takes a lot of orders to do that -- much better to nail one enemy commander (Poor Bain, we knew him well, put an extra smile on his face and dropped him in a well) and pick up another +65C or thereabouts in one fell swoop... :slight_smile:

Command rank vs pop center loyalty seems to be a major factor in threats -- number of troops seems to be less of a factor than the rules imply, as quite often mediocre commanders with more than enough troops fail, while just as often, high-ranking commanders (especially if adjusted rank >100) succeed even with a fraction of the allegedly required number of troops...

-- Ernie III

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Sent: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: A silly thought

--- Guy <happymadcat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Jeremy came up with a strategy once to take out the
Dwarves
capital and moved all his armies down in the attempt
and
talked Rhuduar into joining the DS.. End result, he
never
got the dragon he hoped for and Card and me
(Noldo/Arth) rolled
over him and Rhuduar by turn 8.

Always wondered if it was actually possible for WK
to take
out 2212 since then.. :slight_smile:

Guy

I remember watching that game... He was going for the
Threat if I recall...? City/Citadel/Capital...that's
one tough nut...

Brad

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