Am I cheat....?

And apologies to you, Chris.

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From: "arnheim2001" <arnheim@globalnet.co.uk>
Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Am I cheat....?
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:15:34 -0000

Having not looked at the list for a while I find a veritable can of
worms awaiting me including libellous slurs.

Not only is there the question of cheating but also the that of wild
and innacurate allegations presented without a shred of evidence. I
can't comment on 71 but in 88 I can say these allegations are
complete rubbish.

Harad was on the ropes when taken over by a dropout. The DS team held
back their attack whilst negotiating with Harad who intimated a
desire to join us. Due to problems communicating with the player we
thought this might be a ruse such as the one your Sinda player tried
on the Corsairs, so went back to attacking them after a turn or two.
I still have all the e-mails in which our team discusses this at
length and am happy, with our teams approval to forward them on to
Clint. I am sure Clint is both qualified and happy to look over the
relevant turns and judge whether there was wrongdoing.

Perhaps it might have been better to approach him first, as the games
GM, before broadcasting your serious and slanderous accusations in a
public medium about a team of your fellow players. I suggest you
immediately retract your damaging allegations and apologise.

I have played this game for almost 10 years and whilst I have been
accused of many things cheating is not generally one of them. I find
your utterly unfounded accusation grossly offensive. Has it occured
to you that your side is losing because we have played better than
you or maybe are you one of those players who only ever lose
games 'because they cheated'?

Chris Courtiour

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@h...> wrote:
> Espionage and ruses of war are as old (or older)than the Old
Testament. It
> is good practice to be alert to both. Most people lack
the "intuitive
> sagacity" (per Sun Tzu) to identify espionage and ruses, which is
why they
> work so often.
>
> ME and the GM inadvertantly aid these types of operations. I am
referencing
> the practice of filling mid and late game neutral positions. Want
some
> concrete examples? In game 71 the midgame Harad quit and the DS
hustled a
> friend into the position. As soon as practical the new Harad
player went
> DS, quit and turned the position over to his friend. In game 88
the midgame
> Harad qit and the DS again put a "ringer" in the game. This
individual
> 'sat-on-his-hands' and allowed the DS to conquer the country
without
> resistance.
>
> Are the above "cheating"? If not, clearly anything goes.
>
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Thankyou,

Cheating is annoying but there are good and bad ways of addressing it
as I hope you now understand :wink:

Forgiven and forgotten.

Chris Courtiour
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@h...> wrote:

And apologies to you, Chris.

>Reply-To: mepbmlist@y...
>To: mepbmlist@y...
>Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Am I cheat....?
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:15:34 -0000
>
>Having not looked at the list for a while I find a veritable can of
>worms awaiting me including libellous slurs.
>
>Not only is there the question of cheating but also the that of

wild

>and innacurate allegations presented without a shred of evidence. I
>can't comment on 71 but in 88 I can say these allegations are
>complete rubbish.
>
>Harad was on the ropes when taken over by a dropout. The DS team

held

>back their attack whilst negotiating with Harad who intimated a
>desire to join us. Due to problems communicating with the player we
>thought this might be a ruse such as the one your Sinda player

tried

>on the Corsairs, so went back to attacking them after a turn or

two.

>I still have all the e-mails in which our team discusses this at
>length and am happy, with our teams approval to forward them on to
>Clint. I am sure Clint is both qualified and happy to look over the
>relevant turns and judge whether there was wrongdoing.
>
>Perhaps it might have been better to approach him first, as the

games

>GM, before broadcasting your serious and slanderous accusations in

a

>public medium about a team of your fellow players. I suggest you
>immediately retract your damaging allegations and apologise.
>
>I have played this game for almost 10 years and whilst I have been
>accused of many things cheating is not generally one of them. I

find

>your utterly unfounded accusation grossly offensive. Has it occured
>to you that your side is losing because we have played better than
>you or maybe are you one of those players who only ever lose
>games 'because they cheated'?
>
>Chris Courtiour
>
>
>--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@h...> wrote:
> > Espionage and ruses of war are as old (or older)than the Old
>Testament. It
> > is good practice to be alert to both. Most people lack
>the "intuitive
> > sagacity" (per Sun Tzu) to identify espionage and ruses, which

is

>why they
> > work so often.
> >
> > ME and the GM inadvertantly aid these types of operations. I am
>referencing
> > the practice of filling mid and late game neutral positions.

Want

···

>From: "arnheim2001" <arnheim@g...>
>some
> > concrete examples? In game 71 the midgame Harad quit and the DS
>hustled a
> > friend into the position. As soon as practical the new Harad
>player went
> > DS, quit and turned the position over to his friend. In game 88
>the midgame
> > Harad qit and the DS again put a "ringer" in the game. This
>individual
> > 'sat-on-his-hands' and allowed the DS to conquer the country
>without
> > resistance.
> >
> > Are the above "cheating"? If not, clearly anything goes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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