Oh, please, don't give Gavin any more reason to say
something stupid.
In what way was my remark stupid, Jason? I could probably come
up with a dozen instances from the last month alone where one
US administration official or another has become huffy over
an opinion expressed by a non-US official which contradicted
stated US policy. There was a very good editorial in the
IHT recently (sourced from the NY Times, I believe) about how the
US administration has squandered worldwide sympathy in the last
year as a result of their "agree with us or shut up" attitude.
Freedom of expression implies acceptance of competing or
even hostile views. Anything less is hypocrisy.
It imples acceptance of the right to dissent, not the requirement to
agree with the dissentor.
Come on, you have to agree that "preventive warfare" is going overboard.
Right now, the US self-righteousness is reaching an all-time high,
imposing their "freedom" over the world and shoving it down everyone's
throats, so all of us unenlightened underlings can be free as well,
Manifest Destiny-style.
As Zack De La Rocha (RATM) used to sing to me in my teens: "What? The
land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy."
Regards,
Manhaes
From Brazil
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Curam Gero Cutis"
Carl Orff - "Carmina Burana"
Come on, you have to agree that "preventive warfare" is going overboard.
Right now, the US self-righteousness is reaching an all-time high,
imposing their "freedom" over the world and shoving it down everyone's
throats, so all of us unenlightened underlings can be free as well,
Manifest Destiny-style.
I have to agree that it's important for the US to work with others to fashion a mutually beneficial security arrangement. I have to agree that it's important for the US to tread lightly, because its footsteps echo loudly. I have to agree that "cowboy diplomacy" is not the way to go.
I also have to agree that most of the world has it in for the US out of a combination of jealousy and spite. I have to agree that countries like Germany and Brazil, where elections are run on a base of anti-Americanism, are just as wrong headed as the evils they accuse the US of. I have to agree that the US is a convenient target for everyone, because it's much easier to blame the big, bad guy than take responsibility yourself. I have to agree that everyone in the world wants the US to cowtow to their particular interests, and gets huffy when we don't. I have that Lula wanting Brazil to develop nukes is a bad idea.
In the end, I have to agree that I don't want to have this discussion on this list. When I read this list, I want a nice fantasy bastion. I can read the paper for reality. Please feel free to email me directly if you so wish.
In the end, I have to agree that I don't want to have this discussion on
this list. When I read this list, I want a nice fantasy bastion. I can
read the paper for reality. Please feel free to email me directly if you
so wish.
*** Please can players respect that this is a gaming forum and only post relevant topics. American idealism and how that is perceived by the rest of the world is not an appropriate topic for this list.
I also have to agree that most of the world has it in for the US out of
a combination of jealousy and spite. I have to agree that countries like
Germany and Brazil, where elections are run on a base of
anti-Americanism, are just as wrong headed as the evils they accuse the
US of. I have to agree that the US is a convenient target for everyone,
because it's much easier to blame the big, bad guy than take
responsibility yourself. I have to agree that everyone in the world
wants the US to cowtow to their particular interests, and gets huffy
when we don't. I have that Lula wanting Brazil to develop nukes is a bad
idea.
Hahahahaaha! I dont know which of theese phrases is the funniest.
But I also have to agree that the most of you are really misinformed. And I have
to agree that your government does a good job controlling education and media.
Sorry, I just had to answer that. And I really agree with you that I don't want
this discussion on this list, because it is not the place, and also because
there must be others like you with those delusions. So, delusions are
anavoidables ideas, irrationals and ones that you can't at all make the person
to give up, even if they have nothing to support them.
So, maybe it is worthless to try. But, even though, it is really not the right
place and I beg for your pardon to have replyed this, I coudn't control my self.
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nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous: indifferent to all
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Personally, I enjoy the "club house" atmosphere of the list. It seems to me that when people from diverse backgrounds come together principally to play a game, that there are going to be times when they want to extend their enjoyment on one another's company into other thinks - like jesting, chatter, and in times like the present even politics.
I find those who can't find their delete key, and have tantrums about "JUST wanting to play the game" to be rather shallow. But I'll respect their point of view, and if Clint wants to support it, then I'll respect that too, as this has always ben understood to be a Harlequin "owned" list.
But that begs the question: Should we have an independent list? Would there be any interest in an independent list "mepbmlounge" (or whatever), open to players of ME, but for discussion of "Off Topic", "Anonymous" and unsanctioned issues? Threads which go off topic here, could be transferred there, where some might read them with interest, and others would not have their minds troubled by them.
*** Please can players respect that this is a gaming forum and only post
relevant topics. American idealism and how that is perceived by the rest
of the world is not an appropriate topic for this list.
That would be fine with me. I find the topics of discussion interesting myself. I don't mind the discussions going on sometimes but other times it does annoy others players I am afraid and I have to respect that.
Clint
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At 22:50 22/09/02, you wrote:
At 18:04 22/09/2002, Clint wrote:
>*** Please can players respect that this is a gaming forum and only post
>relevant topics. American idealism and how that is perceived by the rest
>of the world is not an appropriate topic for this list.
Personally, I enjoy the "club house" atmosphere of the list. It seems to
me that when people from diverse backgrounds come together principally to
play a game, that there are going to be times when they want to extend
their enjoyment on one another's company into other thinks - like jesting,
chatter, and in times like the present even politics.
I find those who can't find their delete key, and have tantrums about "JUST
wanting to play the game" to be rather shallow. But I'll respect their
point of view, and if Clint wants to support it, then I'll respect that
too, as this has always ben understood to be a Harlequin "owned" list.
But that begs the question: Should we have an independent list? Would
there be any interest in an independent list "mepbmlounge" (or whatever),
open to players of ME, but for discussion of "Off Topic", "Anonymous" and
unsanctioned issues? Threads which go off topic here, could be transferred
there, where some might read them with interest, and others would not have
their minds troubled by them.
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i do not post many messages on here but i do enjoy reading them. I agree
with Laurence about having another forum for non game discussions. The only
thing that has bothered me about the messages that have been posted lately,
is that they have turned personal. Because of that Clint has had to step
forward and request that we 'clean' it up.
I do look forward to reading these messages because at times there are good
ideas, both game wise and not. It is a shame that it has progressed to
this. The discussion around ratings was very intense but good. I hope that
this type of dialogue continues. One thing it does do is show you how many
people are involved with this game.
I actually run a really small (so far) message board at http://halo5.net/meforums. I originally started it so that I could
have a nice, easy, ad-free private forum for the games that I am
participating in. Of course, I also have a public section that
anyone can use. Currently it is just one "section" but if usage
dictates, I would be more than happy to create more categories, e.g.
Off Topic, Strategy and Tactics, etc.
Anyway, just plugging the site, not trying to cause a mass-exodus or
anything. The more the merrier I figure.
--- darrell23X <darrell@halo5.net> wrote: > I actually run a really
small (so far) message board at
http://halo5.net/meforums. I originally started it so that I could
have a nice, easy, ad-free private forum for the games that I am
participating in. Of course, I also have a public section that
anyone can use. Currently it is just one "section" but if usage
dictates, I would be more than happy to create more categories, e.g.
Off Topic, Strategy and Tactics, etc.
Anyway, just plugging the site, not trying to cause a mass-exodus or
anything. The more the merrier I figure.
Have you visited www.pbmforum.com? It's the "official" forum.
Another player, who goes by the alias facade, created a forum
also, forget the link, when the old GSI board went down. It worked
out for a while, but when Harlequin created their's, facade's
dropped off significantly.
While there are many of us who frequent both the list AND the
pbmforum, many of the stalwarts on this egroup prefer it to the
message board style.
Good luck!
Brad B
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Have you visited www.pbmforum.com? It's the "official" forum.
Another player, who goes by the alias facade, created a forum
also, forget the link, when the old GSI board went down. It worked
out for a while, but when Harlequin created their's, facade's
dropped off significantly.
While there are many of us who frequent both the list AND the
pbmforum, many of the stalwarts on this egroup prefer it to the
message board style.
Good luck!
Brad B
I'm unsure of how widespread this issue but I know of several people
who for one reason or another cannot post messages on the pbmforum.
For example I am able to log into the pbm forum and post messages
while I'm at work (and when my manager isn't looking). However trying
the same username and password at home fails....despite having the
exact same security settings on both computers. And also despite that
I can log in and signed up to other forums on the web from home.
So I was wondering if many people on the yahoo list have the same
problem before and if anyone has actually found a solution. I know at
least 3 people who complained of this problem.
Cheers
Brendan
ps. Also before people stop whinging about bandwidth and the like,
yes I did privately raise the issue to ME games with the only
suggested solution being my security settings which didn't solve it.
I'm unsure of how widespread this issue but I know of several people
who for one reason or another cannot post messages on the pbmforum.
For example I am able to log into the pbm forum and post messages
while I'm at work (and when my manager isn't looking). However trying
the same username and password at home fails....despite having the
exact same security settings on both computers. And also despite that
I can log in and signed up to other forums on the web from home.
Hi,
I'm in charge of the PBMForum. I don't like it much, it seems buggy and causes people problems. I got it in a hurry because all the players who had been playing with DGE really wanted a web forum. Its not technology I understand, but when the players demand something, we do our best to supply it.
I'm currently looking into replacing it with a phpbb solution, which will probably also be much cheaper too.
Does anyone have any skills with phpbb? Or have any solutions they could discuss with me?
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I dont know which of theese phrases is the funniest.