AutoMagic Order Codes

FYI... Just put up a poll in the MePBM Yahoo Group.

The next revision of AutoMagic is being worked on, and I was thinking
about changing the way Orders are input. Rather than just an order
number, I can make the drop-down list show "# - Text Code", to make it
easier to select the correct number from the list.

The problem with this approach is that you could no longer just type in
the order number directly. You'd either have to select it from the list,
or type it in the "# - Text Code" format exactly. That means that people
who know the order numbers and just type them in would actually have to
use the drop-down list instead.

So, the question is, would you rather leave the order input method the
same, (with the ability to type in a 3-digit order number), or expand
the order selection to include the text code, (which would require using
the drop- down list)?

1. Leave order input method as it is (3-digit order number).
2. Expand order input to include text code.

You can find the poll on the MePBM List Yahoo Group, or use the URL
below.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mepbmlist/surveys?id=1180145

Thanks,
Mike Mulka

What I would really like to see is two separate columns, one for
order number, and a second for the code. (Actually I think this part
is already there.) Allow entry in either column, instead of just the
number column. Changing either one should automatically update the
other. This would allow people to enter/choose either, depending on
what they were most comfortable with.

Of course, I don't know how hard this would be to program.

Adding the text to the number column is clunky. I voted for it, but
have since thought better of it, and have changed my mind. If the
two columns can't be linked as I described above, I would prefer to
enter the text code, rather than the number. I have memorized more
codes than numbers. I may be in the minority there, though.

Jeff

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Urzahil" <urzahil@d...> wrote:

The next revision of AutoMagic is being worked on,
and I was thinking about changing the way Orders are
input. Rather than just an order number, I can make
the drop-down list show "# - Text Code", to make it
easier to select the correct number from the list.

From: Jeff Wygal [mailto:jeff.wygal@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: AutoMagic Order Codes

What I would really like to see is two separate columns, one for
order number, and a second for the code. (Actually I think this part
is already there.) Allow entry in either column, instead of just the
number column. Changing either one should automatically update the
other. This would allow people to enter/choose either, depending on
what they were most comfortable with.
Of course, I don't know how hard this would be to program.

Sorry. Can't be done. Currently the order text code cell has a formula
that looks at the order number cell. I could reverse them and put a
formula in the order number cell based on the content of the order text
cell, but I can't put formulas in both cells that look at each other.
First, that would be a circular reference, which Excel doesn't allow.
Second, it would mean that as soon as someone typed in one cell, it
would overwrite the formula in that cell, effectively erasing it.

Adding the text to the number column is clunky. I voted for it, but
have since thought better of it, and have changed my mind.

You may already know this, but you can change your vote any time before
the poll is concluded.

Mike

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-----Original Message-----

Leave as is! I know the orders (almost) completely. If I need the list, it's great to have - but to be forced to use it would suck.

b (who has now used AM for turn creation and submission a grand total of one time - but, hey, I still get a vote, right? :slight_smile: )

Urzahil wrote:

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FYI... Just put up a poll in the MePBM Yahoo Group.

The next revision of AutoMagic is being worked on, and I was thinking
about changing the way Orders are input. Rather than just an order
number, I can make the drop-down list show "# - Text Code", to make it
easier to select the correct number from the list.

The problem with this approach is that you could no longer just type in
the order number directly. You'd either have to select it from the list,
or type it in the "# - Text Code" format exactly. That means that people
who know the order numbers and just type them in would actually have to
use the drop-down list instead.

So, the question is, would you rather leave the order input method the
same, (with the ability to type in a 3-digit order number), or expand
the order selection to include the text code, (which would require using
the drop- down list)?

1. Leave order input method as it is (3-digit order number).
2. Expand order input to include text code.

You can find the poll on the MePBM List Yahoo Group, or use the URL
below.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mepbmlist/surveys?id=1180145

Thanks,
Mike Mulka

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I like the way it is and really don't like the idea of
changing.

JCC

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--- Benjamin Shushan <bshushan@earthlink.net> wrote:

Leave as is! I know the orders (almost) completely.
If I need the list,
it's great to have - but to be forced to use it
would suck.

b (who has now used AM for turn creation and
submission a grand total of
one time - but, hey, I still get a vote, right? :slight_smile: )

Urzahil wrote:

>FYI... Just put up a poll in the MePBM Yahoo Group.
>
>The next revision of AutoMagic is being worked on,
and I was thinking
>about changing the way Orders are input. Rather
than just an order
>number, I can make the drop-down list show "# -
Text Code", to make it
>easier to select the correct number from the list.
>
>The problem with this approach is that you could no
longer just type in
>the order number directly. You'd either have to
select it from the list,
>or type it in the "# - Text Code" format exactly.
That means that people
>who know the order numbers and just type them in
would actually have to
>use the drop-down list instead.
>
>So, the question is, would you rather leave the
order input method the
>same, (with the ability to type in a 3-digit order
number), or expand
>the order selection to include the text code,
(which would require using
>the drop- down list)?
>
>1. Leave order input method as it is (3-digit order
number).
>2. Expand order input to include text code.
>
>You can find the poll on the MePBM List Yahoo
Group, or use the URL
>below.
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mepbmlist/surveys?id=1180145
>
>Thanks,
>Mike Mulka
>
>
>
>
>
>Middle Earth PBM - hit reply to send to everyone
>To Unsubscribe: http://www.yahoogroups.com
>Website: http://www.MiddleEarthGames.com
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I'm not trying to make life difficult for you, just brainstorming,
but how about this....

Instead of two columns, have three:
1) one for order entry
2) one to display the order number
3) one to display the order code.

The order entry column would be expanded to have two entries in the
list for each order, the number and the code. This would allow users
to use whichever was easiest for them to remember.

The order number display column would have a formula that would
interpret the order entry column to determine what number to
display/use. It would be slightly more complex than the formula you
have now, since it would have to interpret both numbers and codes.

The order code display column would do the same, except it would
obviously display the code instead of the number.

There would be a duplication of data on the screen since the entry
column would always match one of the two display columns, but it
would make entry much easier for those of us that haven't memorized
all the codes.

BTW I love Automagic. Thanks! I do go back and forth a lot looking
up the order codes, though, so something like this would be a great
feature for me.

Jeff Wygal

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Urzahil" <urzahil@d...> wrote:

What I would really like to see is two separate
columns, one for order number, and a second for
the code. Allow entry in either column, instead
of just the number column.

Sorry. Can't be done. Currently the order text code
cell has a formula that looks at the order number
cell. I could reverse them and put a formula in
the order number cell based on the content of the
order text cell, but I can't put formulas in both
cells that look at each other.

Ben,

The vote is already rather lopsided, but just make sure you vote in the
'official' poll, so your opinion will count.

You can find the poll on the MePBM List Yahoo Group, or use the URL
below.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mepbmlist/surveys?id=1180145

Thanks,
Mike Mulka

From: Benjamin Shushan [mailto:bshushan@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:05 AM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] AutoMagic Order Codes

Leave as is! I know the orders (almost) completely. If I need the

list,

it's great to have - but to be forced to use it would suck.

b (who has now used AM for turn creation and submission a grand total

of

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-----Original Message-----
one time - but, hey, I still get a vote, right? :slight_smile: )

Jeff,

I think your suggestion is interesting, though I'm not certain exactly
what it is. :wink:

Are you saying columns 2 & 3 would be simply for show, and would allow
no input? If that's true, then why would we need them? Automagic can
keep that data hidden and just use it for the SEND sheet and the orders
output file.

As for column 1, are you suggesting two completely separate (but
sequential) orders listings within the same cell? (ie; All the numbers
followed by all the text codes?) I suppose this might be possible, but
it would require a bit of work (just to see if I can make it work, since
my knowledge of Excel is limited).

Right now it seems like a LOT of people like the orders input system the
way it is, though the poll is rather limited in that it only compares
two distinctly different methods. However, from the E-Mails I've gotten
over time, most people would wind up using the numbers anyway. It would
be a lot of work to change something that most people seem happy with.

Still, something to think about. Thanks for bringing it up.

Mike Mulka

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Wygal [mailto:jeff.wygal@sbcglobal.net]

I'm not trying to make life difficult for you, just brainstorming,
but how about this....

Instead of two columns, have three:
1) one for order entry
2) one to display the order number
3) one to display the order code.

The order entry column would be expanded to have two entries in the
list for each order, the number and the code. This would allow users
to use whichever was easiest for them to remember.

The order number display column would have a formula that would
interpret the order entry column to determine what number to
display/use. It would be slightly more complex than the formula you
have now, since it would have to interpret both numbers and codes.

The order code display column would do the same, except it would
obviously display the code instead of the number.

There would be a duplication of data on the screen since the entry
column would always match one of the two display columns, but it
would make entry much easier for those of us that haven't memorized
all the codes.

BTW I love Automagic. Thanks! I do go back and forth a lot looking
up the order codes, though, so something like this would be a great
feature for me.

Jeff Wygal

If there is a way to make a toggle switch on the configuration page
to choose either option, I would be happy with that.

Otherwise my vote was to leave it as it is.

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Urzahil" <urzahil@d...> wrote:

FYI... Just put up a poll in the MePBM Yahoo Group.

Jeff,

I think your suggestion is interesting, though
I'm not certain exactly what it is. :wink:

LOL. I guess I didn't do a very good job explaining it.

Are you saying columns 2 & 3 would be simply for show,
and would allow no input?

Yes, you have that now with your "Text Code" column. You would
simply add another column for the Order Number display. You don't
need that with the current version, because the order number is
always displayed (and entered) in the "Order (No.)" column. But
that would change (see blelow).

If that's true, then why would we need them? Automagic
can keep that data hidden and just use it for the SEND
sheet and the orders output file.

Just for a visual reference. You don't currently "need" to display
the "Text Code" column, but you do. It makes it easier to verify
what you entered.

As for column 1, are you suggesting two completely
separate (but sequential) orders listings within
the same cell? (ie; All the numbers followed by all
the text codes?)

Yes.

I suppose this might be possible,
but it would require a bit of work (just to see if
I can make it work, since my knowledge of Excel is
limited).

Well, your knowledge of Excel certainly surpasses mine, but I'm
assuming it should be pretty easy. I don't think the list needs to
distinguish between the numbers and codes, they are all just valid
entries. The complexity is in the logic to populate columns 2 and
3.

You currently have some kind of logic that says, for example, if the
Order No is 810, then to populate the Text Code with MovChar. In
its place you would have to have that says if the entry is "810"
or "MovChar" to populate the Order No field with 810 and the Text
Code field with MovChar.

(Actually I think its more simple than that, but it probably sounds
more complex when I describe it: You would have a new "Order Entry"
field that would have the list of valid Numbers and Text Codes in
it. This is similar to the current Order No field. The Order No
field would then have the logic I describe in the above paragraph.
The Text Code field would have the exact same logic you have now,
still picking up its info from the Order No field.)

Right now it seems like a LOT of people like
the orders input system the way it is, though
the poll is rather limited in that it only compares
two distinctly different methods. However, from
the E-Mails I've gotten over time, most people
would wind up using the numbers anyway.

I'm sure this is true with a couple caveats. As you mention, the
poll is limited. Heck, I even voted to keep it the same, compared
to the change you mentioned. Maybe I'm weird, but after seven games
over the past six or seven years, I still find it a lot easier to
remember the Text Codes than the numbers.

It would be a lot of work to change something
that most people seem happy with.

Fair enough. And if you decide its not worth it, I won't be
offended in the least. But in my defense I'm just responding to
your original query. I've thought many times that I would like to
enter the Text Code, rather than the Number, but I never would have
dreamed to ask for it. You know...never look a gift horse in the
mouth. But, since you brought the topic up, I thought I'd throw out
my ideas.

Still, something to think about. Thanks for bringing it up.

The last thing to throw out is that IF my idea is feasible, it would
allow those that are comfortable with the way it currently works to
continue to enter the orders exactly the way they are now, while
providing flexibility to those that are more comfortable with the
Text Codes.

Thanks again for the great app!

Jeff Wygal

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Urzahil" <urzahil@d...> wrote:

No need to defend yourself. I did indeed ask for suggestions and ideas,
and yours was very interesting. It got me thinking about the concept. I
may probably tinker with it later, and perhaps put out a poll. (It may
allow players to input orders either way, but if only a couple people
perfer text codes, then I probably won't put too much time into it.)

Thanks again,
Mike Mulka

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Wygal [mailto:jeff.wygal@sbcglobal.net]

Fair enough. And if you decide its not worth it, I won't be
offended in the least. But in my defense I'm just responding to
your original query.
Jeff Wygal