Automagic Unhappy

mepbmlist
#1

Below is a sample of my regular order format. Below
that are the same orders pasted from Automagic.

Can someone please explain to me why one saves me money?
While not the other? I mean, I'll do it if that's the
case.

BUT #1 - "Automagic" (neither of which is true here...) takes
me considerably more time. The only advantage is being able
to keep the character information and delete the orders for
the next turn, instead of typing in the characters. As it is,
I only type in the 5 digits anyway. I remember a discussion on
the mepbmlist about this a while ago. All the other information
is UNNECESSARY. It is for the PLAYER'S benefit, NOT the company's,
to know the real name and skills, etc. The company just types in
the 5 digits, the orders numbers, and whatever follows. That's
all I give them.

BUT #2 - What's wrong with mistakes? Don't we have military
buffs on this list? Ancient, Modern, whatever. Commanders
and Kings have sent wrong orders, not followed orders, lost
orders, etc. Why can't we? Will this eliminate enough mistakes
that Harlequin can fire some people who now currently send those
nice messages advising you that you've made a mistake? Hey,
I've recieved a few of my own, and it's appreciated, but save
YOURSELF the cost of their salaries, if you "MUST", but save me
the bother of wasting my time on this program...

BUT #3 - What about corrections? If I want to correct an order
that I've sent in via Automagic, do I now re-send in the entire
order sheet, or just the one character...?

I just want to understand the process MEGames will be using, in
order to understand why it is worth their time to force me to
use something I don't necessarily want to use. Is my email going
to be forwarded "Automagically" to a computer which will
recognize my pasted text and input it into the game? Or is
someone going to read it? If someone is going to actually take
a piece of paper (or off a monitor) and type the orders in, then,
frankly, why should mine cost more? I've taken pains to ensure
that I DON'T waste the company's time with my orders, with excess
verbiage and unnecessary text (for example, Automagic demands I
type in "no" for normal movement, yet it's the current default.
I've never specified how I move...does THAT cause problems???).

As a spreadsheet, kudo's to Mike. Great work! Extremely impressive!
For beginners, it's an excellent tool. For myself, unless I am
helped in understanding the excellent reason why the pasted orders
at the bottom are so much more economically efficient for the
company to input than my own, I'm quite very very annoyed. It's
like telling a young student that he/she is not ALLOWED to multiply
in his/her head, but MUST use a calculator for 4 X 3, etc. I
don't want to TAB through every single thing, and if I make a
mistake, I expect to suffer the consequences and am mature enough
to accept responsibility for them.

I appreciate the efforts made to provide information and tools to
help the players. I don't understand the 28% fee increase (28%
quoted from a previous email, I didn't check..), thus, FORCING
these "aids" upon players.

Regards,

Brad Brunet

ps - i have re-typed any strategic info, AND simply deleted
my Security number, as these orders ARE the ones I sent in
earlier today...anyone in game 130 would glean no significant
information from what follows. Unless you're a FP, then please
DROP! Thanks.

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:45:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Player <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca>
Subject: me 130-24
To: me@middleearthgames.com

109410 - Brad Brunet

Game - 130 Nation - 24 Turn - 24 Security -

ARAPH
498
850 - SW

ARFAN
430 - HI
850 - W

BRADL
520
935 - 31 1510

(Automagic Order Sheet Sample Below)

MePBM: Other
GAME: 130, PLAYER: 24
TURN: 24, SECURITY:
DUE DATE: 27 March 2002

Brad Brunet, 109410

araphor (araph) @ 0807 (Comm)
498 Threat
850 MovArmy sw no

arfanhil (arfan) @ 0808 (Comm)
430 TrpsMan hi
850 MovArmy w no

bradley (bradl) @ 1510 (Comm, Emis)
520 InfYour
935 UsScArt 31 1510
** END OF ORDERS **

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--- Player <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca> wrote:

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#2

Brad,

I think I'll let Mike Mulka respond point by point, but almost all your
assumptions are incorrect.

The only question that I would also ask is #3 regarding corrections. I'm
assuming we will continue to send these in manually for the corrected orders
only, but I'd like clarification from Harley.

Chris Wolf

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-----Original Message-----
From: Player [mailto:pbmnoot@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:47 PM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mepbmlist] Automagic Unhappy

Below is a sample of my regular order format. Below
that are the same orders pasted from Automagic.

Can someone please explain to me why one saves me money?
While not the other? I mean, I'll do it if that's the
case.

BUT #1 - "Automagic" (neither of which is true here...) takes
me considerably more time. The only advantage is being able
to keep the character information and delete the orders for
the next turn, instead of typing in the characters. As it is,
I only type in the 5 digits anyway. I remember a discussion on
the mepbmlist about this a while ago. All the other information
is UNNECESSARY. It is for the PLAYER'S benefit, NOT the company's,
to know the real name and skills, etc. The company just types in
the 5 digits, the orders numbers, and whatever follows. That's
all I give them.

BUT #2 - What's wrong with mistakes? Don't we have military
buffs on this list? Ancient, Modern, whatever. Commanders
and Kings have sent wrong orders, not followed orders, lost
orders, etc. Why can't we? Will this eliminate enough mistakes
that Harlequin can fire some people who now currently send those
nice messages advising you that you've made a mistake? Hey,
I've recieved a few of my own, and it's appreciated, but save
YOURSELF the cost of their salaries, if you "MUST", but save me
the bother of wasting my time on this program...

BUT #3 - What about corrections? If I want to correct an order
that I've sent in via Automagic, do I now re-send in the entire
order sheet, or just the one character...?

I just want to understand the process MEGames will be using, in
order to understand why it is worth their time to force me to
use something I don't necessarily want to use. Is my email going
to be forwarded "Automagically" to a computer which will
recognize my pasted text and input it into the game? Or is
someone going to read it? If someone is going to actually take
a piece of paper (or off a monitor) and type the orders in, then,
frankly, why should mine cost more? I've taken pains to ensure
that I DON'T waste the company's time with my orders, with excess
verbiage and unnecessary text (for example, Automagic demands I
type in "no" for normal movement, yet it's the current default.
I've never specified how I move...does THAT cause problems???).

As a spreadsheet, kudo's to Mike. Great work! Extremely impressive!
For beginners, it's an excellent tool. For myself, unless I am
helped in understanding the excellent reason why the pasted orders
at the bottom are so much more economically efficient for the
company to input than my own, I'm quite very very annoyed. It's
like telling a young student that he/she is not ALLOWED to multiply
in his/her head, but MUST use a calculator for 4 X 3, etc. I
don't want to TAB through every single thing, and if I make a
mistake, I expect to suffer the consequences and am mature enough
to accept responsibility for them.

I appreciate the efforts made to provide information and tools to
help the players. I don't understand the 28% fee increase (28%
quoted from a previous email, I didn't check..), thus, FORCING
these "aids" upon players.

Regards,

Brad Brunet

ps - i have re-typed any strategic info, AND simply deleted
my Security number, as these orders ARE the ones I sent in
earlier today...anyone in game 130 would glean no significant
information from what follows. Unless you're a FP, then please
DROP! Thanks.

--- Player <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:45:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Player <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca>
Subject: me 130-24
To: me@middleearthgames.com

109410 - Brad Brunet

Game - 130 Nation - 24 Turn - 24 Security -

ARAPH
498
850 - SW

ARFAN
430 - HI
850 - W

BRADL
520
935 - 31 1510

(Automagic Order Sheet Sample Below)

MePBM: Other
GAME: 130, PLAYER: 24
TURN: 24, SECURITY:
DUE DATE: 27 March 2002

Brad Brunet, 109410

araphor (araph) @ 0807 (Comm)
498 Threat
850 MovArmy sw no

arfanhil (arfan) @ 0808 (Comm)
430 TrpsMan hi
850 MovArmy w no

bradley (bradl) @ 1510 (Comm, Emis)
520 InfYour
935 UsScArt 31 1510
** END OF ORDERS **

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#3

I didn't have many assumptions, and nothing was directed at
Mike. It was the company saying "use this or pay more" that
has me really steamed.

One assumption I have is that typing:

"Arfanhil (arfan) @ 0808 Comm"

is a waste, because all the computer needs is as follows:

"arfan"

Am I wrong?

Another assumption I have is that if I try to issue an
810 but give a direction, right now, unless some nice person
in Wales gets back to me (and I respond...all in time), my
character will go nowhere. BUT with Automagic, I'll get
yellow cells, red warnings, and quite clear and simple
directions all over the place advising me of my error, and
demanding that I fix it. I've already done it, as my email
made obvious... THAT assumption is correct also.

Please don't tell me I'm wrong when I'm not. Go ahead and
call me a quick tempered hot head, if you like. As I made
clear: I'm responsible for my words/actions/orders, and will
argue the necessity to maintain that priveledge against all
the "Auto-Easy-Life" programs out there for the end of my days.

Cheers,

Brad

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--- Chris & Susan Wolf <cswolf@megsinet.net> wrote:

Brad,

I think I'll let Mike Mulka respond point by point, but almost all
your
assumptions are incorrect.

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#4

No offense intended, but I think you're missing the point of what Automagic
does.

1) As I understand it, one is NOT supposed to copy and paste from it (though
you still can, if you want). Using the built-in SEND feature will generate
a (very abbreviated) text file which is automatically emailed to a new
Harley address that can then take that file and input the orders without
human interaction. This is the time-saver for Harley, which is why they are
incenting us to use it.

2) The mistakes they are trying to stop are their own (during data entry),
not ours (though the spreadsheet does help stop some of ours as well, as you
noted). We're free to continue to make our own errors.

3) I agreed with that one. I'd like to know what to do with corrections as
well.

For all this to work, the software needs the data from us in a
hyper-specific format, which is why we now have to use all the formal order
rules that we previously did not.

Chris

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-----Original Message-----
From: Player [mailto:pbmnoot@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:51 PM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Automagic Unhappy

--- Chris & Susan Wolf <cswolf@megsinet.net> wrote:

Brad,

I think I'll let Mike Mulka respond point by point, but almost all
your
assumptions are incorrect.

I didn't have many assumptions, and nothing was directed at
Mike. It was the company saying "use this or pay more" that
has me really steamed.

One assumption I have is that typing:

"Arfanhil (arfan) @ 0808 Comm"

is a waste, because all the computer needs is as follows:

"arfan"

Am I wrong?

Another assumption I have is that if I try to issue an
810 but give a direction, right now, unless some nice person
in Wales gets back to me (and I respond...all in time), my
character will go nowhere. BUT with Automagic, I'll get
yellow cells, red warnings, and quite clear and simple
directions all over the place advising me of my error, and
demanding that I fix it. I've already done it, as my email
made obvious... THAT assumption is correct also.

Please don't tell me I'm wrong when I'm not. Go ahead and
call me a quick tempered hot head, if you like. As I made
clear: I'm responsible for my words/actions/orders, and will
argue the necessity to maintain that priveledge against all
the "Auto-Easy-Life" programs out there for the end of my days.

Cheers,

Brad

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#5

1) As I understand it, one is NOT supposed to copy and paste from it
(though
you still can, if you want). Using the built-in SEND feature will
generate
a (very abbreviated) text file which is automatically emailed to a
new
Harley address that can then take that file and input the orders
without
human interaction. This is the time-saver for Harley, which is why
they are
incenting us to use it.

excel is not an email program. i surf with Netscape and my
mepbm email is this yahoo address i'm sending it from. nothing
"automagic" here. us like me have to copy and paste (it says
so...)

time-saver for harley...so all the employees at harley support
me? :wink:

2) The mistakes they are trying to stop are their own (during data
entry),
not ours (though the spreadsheet does help stop some of ours as well,
as you
noted). We're free to continue to make our own errors.

They correct their own errors, with apologies, from what I've
seen, wherever possible. Excellent customer service. Something
that won't happen when nobody works there anymore. :wink:

For all this to work, the software needs the data from us in a
hyper-specific format, which is why we now have to use all the formal
order
rules that we previously did not.

hyper-specifc doesn't include the "Home" movement order. I was
trying to give it a go for game 17, very first turn due on Sunday,
and I can't enter "home", "h", "ho". It isn't listed either as a
movement direction option. I've already downloaded 3 of these
today using my dial-up connection. This latest setback in my attempt
at toeing the corporate line before they kill my family or something,
has me quite dishevelled.

Another thing: The actual spreadsheet is almost a Meg. To use it
effectively (ie save what time it allows me to save) I will require
one for every game I'm playing in! Any chance for multiple game
capability (copy the Order worksheets?)

Thanks,

Brad

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#6

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Player <pbmnoot@y...> wrote:

Below is a sample of my regular order format. Below
that are the same orders pasted from Automagic.

Can someone please explain to me why one saves me money?
While not the other? I mean, I'll do it if that's the
case.

BUT #1 - "Automagic" (neither of which is true here...) takes
me considerably more time. The only advantage is being able
to keep the character information and delete the orders for
the next turn, instead of typing in the characters. As it is,
I only type in the 5 digits anyway. I remember a discussion on
the mepbmlist about this a while ago. All the other information
is UNNECESSARY. It is for the PLAYER'S benefit, NOT the company's,
to know the real name and skills, etc. The company just types in
the 5 digits, the orders numbers, and whatever follows. That's
all I give them.

The automagic sheet doesn't send in the orders in the format you see
on the Send sheet, it uses a hidden page with a different format.

The format is something like this:

bolg ,430,hi,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--
bolg ,925,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--
bulra,430,hi,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--
bulra,925,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--
duran,225,230,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--
duran,925,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--,--

The reason for this, is that MEGames has a new
program/editor/something they are running locally which can read the
file sent when you hit "Send" in the Excel sheet, and automatically
inputs the orders, thus saving time and errors on their part in
entering the turns.

The reason the page with the real automated orders were hidden, is
so it doesn't confuse people. The 'manual' orders listed are in a
much more readable format, which is useful for when you send them
out to your allies for doublechecking and planning. If you check the
directory you have specified for your turns, you will see a file
called something like "me10007p.111", which is the textfile the
sheet actually sends.

BUT #3 - What about corrections? If I want to correct an order
that I've sent in via Automagic, do I now re-send in the entire
order sheet, or just the one character...?

Just resend the orders, since they use autoinput, it's like just as
easy for them to just rerun the input from the sheet, than to
manually edit the order. But I'll leave it to Clint to answer that
properly.

I just want to understand the process MEGames will be using, in
order to understand why it is worth their time to force me to
use something I don't necessarily want to use. Is my email going
to be forwarded "Automagically" to a computer which will
recognize my pasted text and input it into the game? Or is
someone going to read it? If someone is going to actually take
a piece of paper (or off a monitor) and type the orders in, then,
frankly, why should mine cost more? I've taken pains to ensure
that I DON'T waste the company's time with my orders, with excess
verbiage and unnecessary text (for example, Automagic demands I
type in "no" for normal movement, yet it's the current default.
I've never specified how I move...does THAT cause problems???).

Even if you don't type in normal/evasive movement, or sex on
characters you create, or even names, still means the person at
MEGames has to enter them, as they are needed for the manual turn
inputter.

Øystein

#7

I have watched this discussion over the past few days but dont remeber being
told I have to use this system. What about the computer illiterate? I have
to have my kids download anything, dont have excel and frankly have no idea
how im going to implement any of this. I have played this game for 12 or 13
years and dont want to give up but you guys are starting to scare me. I have
been using a format that looks like it fits but have no idea what this auto
thing is or how to get it on my computer or where it will go if I download
it. Please make this fool-proof like the computer games we buy that install
themselves look at t he system and download appropriate needed items
automagicly or I simply will have to quit playing. Clint help!

Steve

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Player" <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Automagic Unhappy

Below is a sample of my regular order format. Below
that are the same orders pasted from Automagic.

Can someone please explain to me why one saves me money?
While not the other? I mean, I'll do it if that's the
case.

BUT #1 - "Automagic" (neither of which is true here...) takes
me considerably more time. The only advantage is being able
to keep the character information and delete the orders for
the next turn, instead of typing in the characters. As it is,
I only type in the 5 digits anyway. I remember a discussion on
the mepbmlist about this a while ago. All the other information
is UNNECESSARY. It is for the PLAYER'S benefit, NOT the company's,
to know the real name and skills, etc. The company just types in
the 5 digits, the orders numbers, and whatever follows. That's
all I give them.

BUT #2 - What's wrong with mistakes? Don't we have military
buffs on this list? Ancient, Modern, whatever. Commanders
and Kings have sent wrong orders, not followed orders, lost
orders, etc. Why can't we? Will this eliminate enough mistakes
that Harlequin can fire some people who now currently send those
nice messages advising you that you've made a mistake? Hey,
I've recieved a few of my own, and it's appreciated, but save
YOURSELF the cost of their salaries, if you "MUST", but save me
the bother of wasting my time on this program...

BUT #3 - What about corrections? If I want to correct an order
that I've sent in via Automagic, do I now re-send in the entire
order sheet, or just the one character...?

I just want to understand the process MEGames will be using, in
order to understand why it is worth their time to force me to
use something I don't necessarily want to use. Is my email going
to be forwarded "Automagically" to a computer which will
recognize my pasted text and input it into the game? Or is
someone going to read it? If someone is going to actually take
a piece of paper (or off a monitor) and type the orders in, then,
frankly, why should mine cost more? I've taken pains to ensure
that I DON'T waste the company's time with my orders, with excess
verbiage and unnecessary text (for example, Automagic demands I
type in "no" for normal movement, yet it's the current default.
I've never specified how I move...does THAT cause problems???).

As a spreadsheet, kudo's to Mike. Great work! Extremely impressive!
For beginners, it's an excellent tool. For myself, unless I am
helped in understanding the excellent reason why the pasted orders
at the bottom are so much more economically efficient for the
company to input than my own, I'm quite very very annoyed. It's
like telling a young student that he/she is not ALLOWED to multiply
in his/her head, but MUST use a calculator for 4 X 3, etc. I
don't want to TAB through every single thing, and if I make a
mistake, I expect to suffer the consequences and am mature enough
to accept responsibility for them.

I appreciate the efforts made to provide information and tools to
help the players. I don't understand the 28% fee increase (28%
quoted from a previous email, I didn't check..), thus, FORCING
these "aids" upon players.

Regards,

Brad Brunet

ps - i have re-typed any strategic info, AND simply deleted
my Security number, as these orders ARE the ones I sent in
earlier today...anyone in game 130 would glean no significant
information from what follows. Unless you're a FP, then please
DROP! Thanks.

--- Player <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:45:24 -0500 (EST)
> From: Player <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: me 130-24
> To: me@middleearthgames.com
>
> 109410 - Brad Brunet
>
> Game - 130 Nation - 24 Turn - 24 Security -
>
> ARAPH
> 498
> 850 - SW
>
> ARFAN
> 430 - HI
> 850 - W
>
> BRADL
> 520
> 935 - 31 1510

(Automagic Order Sheet Sample Below)

MePBM: Other
GAME: 130, PLAYER: 24
TURN: 24, SECURITY:
DUE DATE: 27 March 2002

Brad Brunet, 109410

araphor (araph) @ 0807 (Comm)
498 Threat
850 MovArmy sw no

arfanhil (arfan) @ 0808 (Comm)
430 TrpsMan hi
850 MovArmy w no

bradley (bradl) @ 1510 (Comm, Emis)
520 InfYour
935 UsScArt 31 1510
** END OF ORDERS **

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#8

Brad:

You are missing an important fact regarding the "forced" use of
automagic. The prices were going up for MEPBM without automagic
anyway. So if there was no automagic you were going to have to shell
out the extra money anyway.

Harley has gone out of there way to help their customers by
co-developing a program that will save them money, have less input
error on their part, and have less order errors on our part. All of
these things cost them money and are non-value added. Fixing mistakes
that shouldn't be there in the first place add no value to the product
and is only a cost to them. This is part of any continual improvement
process in any successful business.

We don't know if Harley is firing anybody, chances are they are
working long hours and paying overtime and they need to cut back on
some of it. They run a business and are in it to make money. Maybe the
business is expanding and with these changes they won't have to hire
more people. To blatantly say they want to do this do fire people is
wrong.

If you don't want to use automagic don't, you will be in no worse off
shape than if there was no automagic program. If you wan't to save
money, have less input errors, and have less order errors use
automagic.

Good luck,
Ned Merrick

#9

excel is not an email program. i surf with Netscape and my
mepbm email is this yahoo address i'm sending it from. nothing
"automagic" here. us like me have to copy and paste (it says
so...)

Where does it say so? It USED to be that way, but hasn't been for a few revisions now.
(If there is a mention of this, I can't seem to find it.) The auto-input file is
automatically attached to a correctly addressed E-Mail in whatever E-Mail program
you're using when you use the SEND ORDERS button. If it's not, then I'd like to know
that so it can be addressed in the file somewhere.

hyper-specifc doesn't include the "Home" movement order. I was
trying to give it a go for game 17, very first turn due on Sunday,
and I can't enter "home", "h", "ho". It isn't listed either as a
movement direction option. I've already downloaded 3 of these
today using my dial-up connection. This latest setback in my attempt
at toeing the corporate line before they kill my family or something,
has me quite dishevelled.

"klll my family"? That's a bit extreme even for hyperbole, isn't it? Are you sure
you're not just freightened of change? :wink:

Also, this hasn't been a problem for anyone else, and it isn't showing up on my
computer. "h" works fine for any 830/850/860 order as far as I can see. What are the
circumstances where this isn't working for you? Let me know so I can address it if it
really is a bug.

Another thing: The actual spreadsheet is almost a Meg. To use it
effectively (ie save what time it allows me to save) I will require
one for every game I'm playing in! Any chance for multiple game
capability (copy the Order worksheets?)

The ORDER and SEND sheets are by far the biggest size. Creating multiple copies of
those sheets within the file will cause the file size to jump from about 900KB to
almost 1.5MB, so you're not saving all that much space.

Mike Mulka

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On Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:20 AM, pbmnoot@yahoo.ca wrote:

#10

Aaruman wrote:
>>
>> excel is not an email program. i surf with Netscape and my mepbm
>> email is this yahoo address i'm sending it from. nothing "automagic"
>> here. us like me have to copy and paste (it says so...)
>
> Where does it say so? It USED to be that way, but hasn't been for a
> few revisions now. (If there is a mention of this, I can't seem to
> find it.) The auto-input file is automatically attached to a
> correctly addressed E-Mail in whatever E-Mail program you're using
> when you use the SEND ORDERS button. If it's not, then I'd like to
> know that so it can be addressed in the file somewhere.

I think you guys are talking past each other here.

Automagic has the capability of calling whatever program is associated with email on your system and sending the orders that way. The problem is, he hasn't set his computer up to send email from it - he sends his email from Yahoo's webmail. The only way for this to work is for him to put the orders in the temp drive into his Yahoo email his cut and paste.

      jason

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On Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:20 AM, pbmnoot@yahoo.ca wrote:

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Jason Bennett, jasonab@acm.org
Software developer, cryptography buff, gamer
Believer in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord

#11

1) On the Send sheet, directions, bottom, "NOTE:..." is where it
says that.

2) How long was it between revisions? 1 year? 2 years? What is
that bit about anyway? By the time I downloaded 1, I checked
my email and discovered a new one...and then it happened again...
Please. AND - that note, referring to "plain emails" or something
like that, is in 1.02...is there a Fourth already that I missed
this morning? Please...

3) Change?

Change will be when I can log onto the MEGames site with my account
number and password. I'll then be able to select my games, click
on some button like "New Orders", and all the dumb information
"automagically" appears (game#, nation, game "type", etc..) even
the characters. All I enter is the orders and required info, then
hit "Okay" at the bottom. THEN it checks ALL the orders. Once all
are finally correct, click "Submit", and all is good.

The rest of this is simply growing pains which would have better
served us all if they were taken care of properly in private as the
modern product is developed.

bb

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--- Aaruman <aaruman@orions.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:20 AM, pbmnoot@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>excel is not an email program. i surf with Netscape and my
>mepbm email is this yahoo address i'm sending it from. nothing
>"automagic" here. us like me have to copy and paste (it says
>so...)

Where does it say so? It USED to be that way, but hasn't been for a
few revisions now.
(If there is a mention of this, I can't seem to find it.) The
auto-input file is
automatically attached to a correctly addressed E-Mail in whatever
E-Mail program
you're using when you use the SEND ORDERS button. If it's not, then
I'd like to know
that so it can be addressed in the file somewhere.

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#12

Hi there,

I'm not sure what the fuss is about.

Is it price increases?
Admittedly price increase is a touchy subject. Everybody expects an
income increase every year (even if it is a measly 3% they Law
dictates down here- that's Greece by the way) but on the other hand
even a mention of an increase of prices we have to pay and we fell
robbed.
First we have to see what the price increase will be and then we
will decide if it's something we can live with. If not we can always
choose not to continue playing.

I'm a new player so I have no idea how things were in the past.
However I'm hooked to the game and really imprested with the service
from MiddleEarthGames.
I've never seen a company who actually asks their customers how they
feel about a price increase or about anything regarding their inner
functions.
I would say for one thing that they are maybe TOO communicative for
their own good. Not to mention polite, some of the messages from
this thread were at least rude.

About Automagic. A good piece of work, I had used the original Mike
Mulka's sheets which were very helpful. It certainly helps me and if
it helps you too then I'm double Happy.
The auto input procedure is a must, if anything you should have done
it sooner.

I believe though that a stand alone application that would work
regardless the platform is the way to go. Technology now supports
this (Java,XML) and if you really want to bring the game to the next
century the Web is the only way to go.

Having said that, no matter what you do there is no way that you can
please everyone. Having a chance to even comment on things to come
is a step in service and communication most businesses and customers
would dare not dream off.

Every one at MiddleEarthGames Keep up the good work!

Symeon

#13

I would say for one thing that they are maybe TOO communicative for
their own good. Not to mention polite, some of the messages from
this thread were at least rude.

True, all three above assertions.

Having said that, no matter what you do there is no way that you can
please everyone. Having a chance to even comment on things to come
is a step in service and communication most businesses and customers
would dare not dream off.

Every one at MiddleEarthGames Keep up the good work!

Open the door to communication and you get flowery praise and
base meanness. Clint et al do an impressive job of keeping to
the high road before hitting Send.

Brad

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