Bree

Hi din,

p.s. nice issue of Bree 9. The translations were
funny. But I would like to see more articles talking
about how to play nations that get the stuffings
kicked out of them, not articles on how to do it - so
is anyone willing to write 'How to ensure the WK
survives past turn 5 in a normal 1650 game' ?

Always glad to publish anything along these lines!

And need I say "Why no 2950 articles ?"

Easy - because nobody wrote any! :slight_smile: Ideally I'd like to
publish articles relating to all three scenarios in each
issue, but I can only publish what players write! At the
moment I have one article for the next issue - so if anyone
feels inspired, please get writing!

Colin

Any other thoughts on Bree? We had a financial contribution which I shall
add to Colin's account so thanks for that. As we have got two issues out in
quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs us
around ๏ฟฝ50 an issue for everyone so obviously there is a financial aspect.
If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a waste of our
time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add? A Proclamations Page for example? Is it
big enough/ too big/ too small/ more articles, less articles, more/less
editorial.

Personally I think it's cool.

Clint

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> p.s. nice issue of Bree 9.

Any other thoughts on Bree? We had a financial contribution which I shall
add to Colin's account so thanks for that. As we have got two issues out

in

quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs us
around ๏ฟฝ50 an issue for everyone so obviously there is a financial aspect.
If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a waste of

our

time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add? A Proclamations Page for example? Is it
big enough/ too big/ too small/ more articles, less articles, more/less
editorial.

Personally I think it's cool.

Clint

RD: I like Bree. I think it is under-used and under-appreciated. It is so
much easier and quicker to email the mepbm list, that I think most players
do this rather than try to write a proper article.

Surely it cannot be that ME players do not have the literary skill to write
articles? Judging from the list, there are some very accomplished writers
out there.

Richard.

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Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Bree

> > p.s. nice issue of Bree 9.

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letters to the editor for commentary, or would that essentially be
taken care of on this list?

there are also some good articles on facade's web site that would be
worthwhile including to allow for this different market to experience.

facade - would you be able to send those, or would there be
copyright infringements ? :wink:

regards,

bb

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:

Any other thoughts on Bree? We had a financial contribution which

I shall

add to Colin's account so thanks for that. As we have got two

issues out in

quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs

us

around ยฃ50 an issue for everyone so obviously there is a financial

aspect.

If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a

waste of our

time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add? A Proclamations Page for example?

Is it

big enough/ too big/ too small/ more articles, less articles,

more/less

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editorial.

Personally I think it's cool.

Clint
> > p.s. nice issue of Bree 9.

Either is fine.

Clint

letters to the editor for commentary, or would that essentially be
taken care of on this list?

there are also some good articles on facade's web site that would be
worthwhile including to allow for this different market to experience.

facade - would you be able to send those, or would there be
copyright infringements ? :wink:

regards,

bb

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:

Any other thoughts on Bree? We had a financial contribution which

I shall

add to Colin's account so thanks for that. As we have got two

issues out in

quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs

us

around ๏ฟฝ50 an issue for everyone so obviously there is a financial

aspect.

If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a

waste of our

time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add? A Proclamations Page for example?

Is it

big enough/ too big/ too small/ more articles, less articles,

more/less

editorial.

Personally I think it's cool.

Clint
> > p.s. nice issue of Bree 9.

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Any other thoughts on Bree? We had a financial contribution which I shall
add to Colin's account so thanks for that. As we have got two issues out in
quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs us
around ยฃ50 an issue

You're kidding? Are you?

for everyone so obviously there is a financial aspect.
If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a waste of our
time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add?

The material would be better on a web site than in an old fashioned news
letter. Have the articles all archived there, for posterity.

Regards,

Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/

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Middle Earth PBM Games <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote

Clint:

As a new player... I admit I read it with some interest. However, I
am disappointed abou the lack of 2950 articles. I would love to hear
from the "veteran" 2950 players out there - any advice or tricks of
the trade. Any volunteers?

As soon as I finish (survive) my first 2950 game (22), I hope to
write a newbie's perspective article... look for it in about a year!
<girn>

Chris Montgomery

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:

Any other thoughts on Bree? We had a financial contribution which

I shall

add to Colin's account so thanks for that. As we have got two

issues out in

quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs

us

around ยฃ50 an issue for everyone so obviously there is a financial

aspect.

If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a

waste of our

time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add? A Proclamations Page for example?

Is it

big enough/ too big/ too small/ more articles, less articles,

more/less

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editorial.

Personally I think it's cool.

Clint
> > p.s. nice issue of Bree 9.

I thoroughly enjoy the Bree issues that I have received. An article on how
to improve play for newer players is always a fine idea...and gives the rest
of us another point of view which we may elect to try.

Just my thoughts,
George

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From: Middle Earth PBM Games [mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:55 AM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Bree

Any other thoughts on Bree? We had a financial contribution which I shall
add to Colin's account so thanks for that. As we have got two issues out in
quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs us
around ๏ฟฝ50 an issue for everyone so obviously there is a financial aspect.
If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a waste of our
time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add? A Proclamations Page for example? Is it
big enough/ too big/ too small/ more articles, less articles, more/less
editorial.

Personally I think it's cool.

Clint

> p.s. nice issue of Bree 9.

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Clint

I think Bree is excellent, especially the strategy articles. I know it
depends on the contributors, but 'answering articles' or short responses on
counters to the strategies could be good. Like I imagine the Witch King
could get a lot less popular otherwise........

Tony

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Any other thoughts on Bree? >

I haven't read #9 yet (not been at a computer with Acrobat and access to my
email at the same time), but I downloaded and read #1-8 while I was waiting
for my first game to start.

While I've not (yet) used much in the way of specific advice, they are all a
good read, and very good for getting the flavour of both the game itself and
the highly active community that seems to surround it.

Maybe I'll be able to make more specific comments on content once I'm a bit
deeper into the game, but from a beginner's viewpoint it definitely seems a
worthwhile endeavour...

Regards,
Tim.

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On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 02:54:44PM +0100, Middle Earth PBM Games wrote:

Any other thoughts on Bree? We had a financial contribution which I shall
add to Colin's account so thanks for that. As we have got two issues out in
quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs us
around ๏ฟฝ50 an issue for everyone so obviously there is a financial aspect.
If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a waste of our
time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add? A Proclamations Page for example? Is it
big enough/ too big/ too small/ more articles, less articles, more/less
editorial.

As we have got two issues out in
quick succession some feedback would be very useful here. It costs us
around ๏ฟฝ50 an issue

You're kidding? Are you?
*** No - there's a lot of players,postal extra, work, free turns development
etc.

for everyone so obviously there is a financial aspect.
If only a handful of players are reading it then clearly it's a waste of

our

time and the players who like to contribute to it as well.
Anything you would like to add?

The material would be better on a web site than in an old fashioned news
letter. Have the articles all archived there, for posterity.

*** We're creating something like that as well. Bree is on our website as
well.

Clint

Care to comment?

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but 'answering articles' or short responses on
counters to the strategies could be good. Like I imagine the Witch King
could get a lot less popular otherwise........

Tony

> Any other thoughts on Bree? >
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Yes but specific articles are buried in the pdfs - not much use without
a good index. So hopefully you mean by your first sentence that you're
archiving the articles separately as html pages.

If you do that, then question which then begs to be asked is: Is the
construction and editing of an old fashioned news letter worth the
effort?

Why not just invite articles, post them on a site, and announce them
here (and in your "frontsheets") when they appear? Why not have an
online editor, who could glean the best of the long posts here, and
knock them into articles?

Personally I have a problem with strategy articles: I can't imagine why
people want to write them. I have my own firmly held ideas about
strategy, and will freely expound them within team e-mails (I expect my
team mates would use ruder terms!) BUT why on earth would I want to tell
the world all my 'secrets'. It's like asking a professional fisherman
what bait and tackle he's using.

Basic strategy and advice for beginners is all very well (though perhaps
overdone) but my suspicion is that some of the obsessive "strategy"
writers are actually frustrated players, whose teams have rejected their
ideas, rather than beneficent "experts". One particular article
currently on the web, springs to mind, it's deeply flawed - may my
enemies find it! New players though, BEWARE not all of the "strategies"
knocking about are as sound as their writers think.

Regards,

Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/

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Middle Earth PBM Games <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote

The material would be better on a web site than in an old fashioned news
letter. Have the articles all archived there, for posterity.

*** We're creating something like that as well. Bree is on our website as
well.

>*** We're creating something like that as well. Bree is on our website

as

>well.
Yes but specific articles are buried in the pdfs - not much use without
a good index. So hopefully you mean by your first sentence that you're
archiving the articles separately as html pages.

Not yet - something to think about though.

If you do that, then question which then begs to be asked is: Is the
construction and editing of an old fashioned news letter worth the
effort?

We don't I think that the Newsletter in the present format is reasonably
convenient and easy to read. We are hoping to put some of the better
articles on the web in such a manner though and eventually build that up
into an extensive library but we're also hoping to do that via an Updated
FAQ/Rulings that players ask about as a separate large document.

Why not just invite articles, post them on a site, and announce them
here (and in your "frontsheets") when they appear? Why not have an
online editor, who could glean the best of the long posts here, and
knock them into articles?

Could do but who would want to do that? We're presently doing something
similar in the Rulings document that I wrote about above though. Not doubt
we could then convert that to put on the website.

Personally I have a problem with strategy articles: I can't imagine why
people want to write them. I have my own firmly held ideas about
strategy, and will freely expound them within team e-mails (I expect my
team mates would use ruder terms!) BUT why on earth would I want to tell
the world all my 'secrets'. It's like asking a professional fisherman
what bait and tackle he's using.

Co-operation can take many forms - upto individual players how they want to
share information. My prefered personal choice is a mixture of trade and
free gift - but each to their own.

Basic strategy and advice for beginners is all very well (though perhaps
overdone) but my suspicion is that some of the obsessive "strategy"
writers are actually frustrated players, whose teams have rejected their
ideas, rather than beneficent "experts".

We just had a player drop because the game was too hard to play, and not
enough help from his team. Nto enough information out there for him.
Players regularly confuse how long it takes to learn the game, and the depth
of knowledge that more experienced players have. Any direction at all can
be better than no direction.

One particular article

currently on the web, springs to mind, it's deeply flawed - may my
enemies find it! New players though, BEWARE not all of the "strategies"
knocking about are as sound as their writers think.

Yes there is no winning formula I am glad to say - there are things that
work better than others, but that's the beauty of the game. Some are
"wrong" of course but live and learn... :slight_smile:

C

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Regards,

Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/

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If you mean me, then 'no'. I haven't played any of the nations involved!

I am working on a possible article on multi-classed characters, but don't
hold your breath.......

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Care to comment?

> but 'answering articles' or short responses on
> counters to the strategies could be good. Like I imagine the Witch King
> could get a lot less popular otherwise........
>
> Tony
>
> > Any other thoughts on Bree? >
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facade - would you be able to send those, or would there be
copyright infringements ? :wink:

regards,

bb

That is up to the individual authors to do so. I do not assume
ownership of other folks material.

facade the snubbed