Bribe CHAR question

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#1

but is the amount of gold absolute? ie, 5k on any turn w/given characters
involved?

or is there a "random roll" element each and every turn that influences the
odds of success?

#2

It's probably a random roll, influenced by emmy rank, target rank, and
total gold spent. It just happens that 5K gold from a high-ranking
emmy is usually good enough to recruit most characters.

Tony Z

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:09:20PM -0400, RFmehl@aol.com wrote:

but is the amount of gold absolute? ie, 5k on any turn w/given characters
involved?

or is there a "random roll" element each and every turn that influences the
odds of success?

--
Though no man can draw a stroke between the confines of day and night,
yet light and darkness are upon the whole tolerably distinguishable.
--Edmund Burke

#3

In a recent game as DS we lost the WK and we had big trouble trying to
recruit Murazor, we had a number of 70+ rank ems giving between 5-15k gold
and we failed to get him over about 3 turns. In the end we had a 103 rank em
give 25k to get him

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Zbaraschuk" <tonyz@eskimo.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Bribe CHAR question

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:09:20PM -0400, RFmehl@aol.com wrote:
> but is the amount of gold absolute? ie, 5k on any turn w/given

characters

> involved?
>
> or is there a "random roll" element each and every turn that influences

the

> odds of success?

It's probably a random roll, influenced by emmy rank, target rank, and
total gold spent. It just happens that 5K gold from a high-ranking
emmy is usually good enough to recruit most characters.

Tony Z

--
Though no man can draw a stroke between the confines of day and night,
yet light and darkness are upon the whole tolerably distinguishable.
--Edmund Burke

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#4

This sort of backs a theory that maybe a "JOE" nobody CHAR becomes
less costly as the timer turns click off...

Say something like 10K first turn available, 9500 second, 9000 third,
8000 fourth, 6500 fifth.

Gary

In a recent game as DS we lost the WK and we had big trouble trying

to

recruit Murazor, we had a number of 70+ rank ems giving between 5-

15k gold

and we failed to get him over about 3 turns. In the end we had a

103 rank em

give 25k to get him

From: "Tony Zbaraschuk" <tonyz@e...>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Bribe CHAR question

> > but is the amount of gold absolute? ie, 5k on any turn w/given
characters
> > involved?
> >
> > or is there a "random roll" element each and every turn that

influences

the
> > odds of success?
>
> It's probably a random roll, influenced by emmy rank, target

rank, and

> total gold spent. It just happens that 5K gold from a high-

ranking

> emmy is usually good enough to recruit most characters.
>
>
> Tony Z
>
> --
> Though no man can draw a stroke between the confines of day and

night,

> yet light and darkness are upon the whole tolerably

distinguishable.

> --Edmund Burke
>
>
>
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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Jeffries" <mark@m...> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:09:20PM -0400, RFmehl@a... wrote:
>
>
>

#5

This sort of backs a theory that maybe a "JOE" nobody CHAR becomes
  less costly as the timer turns click off...

  Say something like 10K first turn available, 9500 second, 9000 third,
  8000 fourth, 6500 fifth.

  Gary

  RD: How on earth do you draw that conclusion? In Mark's example below, he was INCREASING the bribe each turn, not decreasing it.
  Richard.

  > In a recent game as DS we lost the WK and we had big trouble trying
  to
  > recruit Murazor, we had a number of 70+ rank ems giving between 5-
  15k gold
  > and we failed to get him over about 3 turns. In the end we had a
  103 rank em
  > give 25k to get him
  >
  > From: "Tony Zbaraschuk" <tonyz@e...>
  > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:57 AM
  > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Bribe CHAR question
  >
  >
  > > > but is the amount of gold absolute? ie, 5k on any turn w/given
  > characters
  > > > involved?
  > > >
  > > > or is there a "random roll" element each and every turn that
  influences
  > the
  > > > odds of success?
  > >
  > > It's probably a random roll, influenced by emmy rank, target
  rank, and
  > > total gold spent. It just happens that 5K gold from a high-
  ranking
  > > emmy is usually good enough to recruit most characters.
  > >
  > >
  > > Tony Z
  > >
  > > --
  > > Though no man can draw a stroke between the confines of day and
  night,
  > > yet light and darkness are upon the whole tolerably
  distinguishable.
  > > --Edmund Burke
  > >
  > >
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----- Original Message -----
  From: GearonSkywalker
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:53 AM
  Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Bribe CHAR question

  --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Jeffries" <mark@m...> wrote:
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:09:20PM -0400, RFmehl@a... wrote:

#6

I agree, we tried recruiting Murazor over a period of about 5 turns using
initially 70+ ranks ems with 5-15k gold, on the +4 turn we tried a 110
ranked em with 15k which failed, and finally on +5 we tried the same em with
25k which succeeded

  RD: How on earth do you draw that conclusion? In Mark's example below,

he was INCREASING the bribe each turn, not decreasing it.

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  Richard.

#7

Richard,

Say "JOE" has a magic number of 10,000 gold on the first turn of his
availability...

Now say Nation X wants JOE but only offers 5,000 gold...

Sure Nation X will need to increase the gold offer...BUT - AND this
is my question...does anyone know if JOE devaluates after 1, 2, 3, 4,
turns? The simple answer is NO his price is set and it depends on
the skills JOE has and the bribing EMI.

I was just wondering if anyone has noticed a possible trend where an
EMI has tried and had better luck during the "late" turns of any
CHARs availability.

A tough thing to test or prove, but just asking to stir up some talk,
board went 3 days with nothing...

Gary

  From: GearonSkywalker
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:53 AM
  Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Bribe CHAR question

  This sort of backs a theory that maybe a "JOE" nobody CHAR

becomes

  less costly as the timer turns click off...

  Say something like 10K first turn available, 9500 second, 9000

third,

  8000 fourth, 6500 fifth.

  Gary

  RD: How on earth do you draw that conclusion? In Mark's example

below, he was INCREASING the bribe each turn, not decreasing it.

  Richard.

  --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Jeffries" <mark@m...>

wrote:

  > In a recent game as DS we lost the WK and we had big trouble

trying

  to
  > recruit Murazor, we had a number of 70+ rank ems giving between

5-

  15k gold
  > and we failed to get him over about 3 turns. In the end we had

a

  103 rank em
  > give 25k to get him
  >
  > From: "Tony Zbaraschuk" <tonyz@e...>
  > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:57 AM
  > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Bribe CHAR question
  >
  >
  > > > but is the amount of gold absolute? ie, 5k on any turn

w/given

  > characters
  > > > involved?
  > > >
  > > > or is there a "random roll" element each and every turn

that

  influences
  > the
  > > > odds of success?
  > >
  > > It's probably a random roll, influenced by emmy rank, target
  rank, and
  > > total gold spent. It just happens that 5K gold from a high-
  ranking
  > > emmy is usually good enough to recruit most characters.
  > >
  > >
  > > Tony Z
  > >
  > > --
  > > Though no man can draw a stroke between the confines of day

and

  night,
  > > yet light and darkness are upon the whole tolerably
  distinguishable.
  > > --Edmund Burke
  > >
  > >
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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard DEVEREUX" <rd@p...> wrote:

  ----- Original Message -----
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:09:20PM -0400, RFmehl@a... wrote:

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#8

Richard,

  Say "JOE" has a magic number of 10,000 gold on the first turn of his
  availability...

  Now say Nation X wants JOE but only offers 5,000 gold...

  Sure Nation X will need to increase the gold offer...BUT - AND this
  is my question...does anyone know if JOE devaluates after 1, 2, 3, 4,
  turns? The simple answer is NO his price is set and it depends on
  the skills JOE has and the bribing EMI.
  RD: I'll go with the simple answer - NO.

  I was just wondering if anyone has noticed a possible trend where an
  EMI has tried and had better luck during the "late" turns of any
  CHARs availability.

  A tough thing to test or prove, but just asking to stir up some talk,
  board went 3 days with nothing...

  Gary
  RD: See my reply to your other message. I see no reason why the price of a character should devalue with time. Why would it? His ranks remain constant until he is deleted from the game and his "price" is linked to his ranks. If the ranks don't change why should the price?

  You won't ever prove this for the simple reason that once a nation is eliminated, it's characters do not hang around long enough to put it to the test. If you want to bribe one or more such characters you want to move fast and bid high. If my first bid failed, I would increase it if possible, never decrease it.

  Richard.

  >
  > From: GearonSkywalker
  > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:53 AM
  > Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Bribe CHAR question
  >
  >
  > This sort of backs a theory that maybe a "JOE" nobody CHAR
  becomes
  > less costly as the timer turns click off...
  >
  > Say something like 10K first turn available, 9500 second, 9000
  third,
  > 8000 fourth, 6500 fifth.
  >
  > Gary
  >
  > RD: How on earth do you draw that conclusion? In Mark's example
  below, he was INCREASING the bribe each turn, not decreasing it.
  > Richard.
  >
  >
  > --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Jeffries" <mark@m...>
  wrote:
  > > In a recent game as DS we lost the WK and we had big trouble
  trying
  > to
  > > recruit Murazor, we had a number of 70+ rank ems giving between
  5-
  > 15k gold
  > > and we failed to get him over about 3 turns. In the end we had
  a
  > 103 rank em
  > > give 25k to get him
  > >
  > > From: "Tony Zbaraschuk" <tonyz@e...>
  > > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:57 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Bribe CHAR question
  > >
  > >
  > > > > but is the amount of gold absolute? ie, 5k on any turn
  w/given
  > > characters
  > > > > involved?
  > > > >
  > > > > or is there a "random roll" element each and every turn
  that
  > influences
  > > the
  > > > > odds of success?
  > > >
  > > > It's probably a random roll, influenced by emmy rank, target
  > rank, and
  > > > total gold spent. It just happens that 5K gold from a high-
  > ranking
  > > > emmy is usually good enough to recruit most characters.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Tony Z
  > > >
  > > > --
  > > > Though no man can draw a stroke between the confines of day
  and
  > night,
  > > > yet light and darkness are upon the whole tolerably
  > distinguishable.
  > > > --Edmund Burke
  > > >
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----- Original Message -----
  From: GearonSkywalker
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:35 AM
  Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Bribe CHAR question RE: Richard

  --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard DEVEREUX" <rd@p...> wrote:
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:09:20PM -0400, RFmehl@a... wrote: