Colour Maps

Colin, I intended no offense to you personally, and please accept my apology for offense taken.

While many of the readers of this forum know my idendity, I don't provide it to Harley because I do NOT want a dialogue with them in this forum.

While on the subject of offense, keep in mind calling two people 'lazy' whom you have never met might be considered offensive--even if you have a thick hide.

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From: "Colin Forbes" <colin@timewyrm.co.uk>
Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Colour Maps
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:24:36 -0000

"Ovatha Easterling" (whoever he is) wrote ...

> Colin. I know you are friends with the Harley staff and
> it is alright if you praise them.

Hmm, I think I object to this. Firstly You know my name but I don't
know yours. Secondly whether or not I am friends with anyone at Harly
has nothing to do with my opinions of the game. If you are suggesting
that my views *would* be affected, then you are questioning my
objectivity. Given the, um tough line I have taken in the past with
clint and the lads overcertain issues, this is an absurd suggestion.

> Also, I wished Harley was less aggressive in injecting
> itself in this game. I admit I'm jaundiced: Back in GSI game 313,
> when Harley took over, they allowed the Mordor DS to fill the
> dropped DS positions and did not tell the FP that this was being
> done.

That's not injecting themselves into a game, that's standard practice
in PBMs throughout the UK. It's just a cultural difference. Whatever
you may think, this is NOT done to maximise the profit, it's done to
make sure the games are closely fought and fun for all. In the long
run that's what brings the profit (such as it is!) :slight_smile:

> But they are not (or were not) lazy. They
> produced a product we all love and they are proud of their baby.

So producing a game over 10 years ago and doing diddly squat to it
since is not being lazy? Yes there was 2950, but that hardly required
much work and fourth age (while a good game) again addresses none of
the actual structural faults of the game.

GSI do not respond to player suggestions (even with a "thanks for your
opinion") and have done little or nothing to promote the game to a
wider audience.

> Harley is NOT given the source codes because Feild and Stassun
> know they would cut it apart and resew it into their own image.
> Yes, I'm talking Frankenstein here. A company that produces
> Automagic, Palantir, etc, ets can not resist tinkering with the
> mechanics. Let me say that would be a BAD thing.

I utterly disagree both on a personal level and for business reasons.
Personally I feel - and have felt since the game was first launched -
that there are many areas of the game which could be tinkered with.

On a business level, any game needs to adapt or die. Your preferred
model of administration only would have the game dying. A look at the
fall in numbers of GSI players over the years of their
'administration', would be revealing. I have been playing this game
for 10 years, i want to play it in another 10 years -- yet without the
'tinkering' ME Games are providing, the game will not survive. Player
numbers would fall and the game would eventually become commercially
non-profitable. As things stand GSI are taking a huge cut of the
profits and doing nothing in return. Any normal supplier of a software
product is expected to provide support and regular updates. Why does
this not apply to GSI?

Anyway, I've said my piece and I'm not going to respond to anything
else Mr Ovatha Easterlings posts unless he reveals his name.

Colin "not afraid to have his opinions linked to his real name" Forbes

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Ovatha Easterling wrote:

While many of the readers of this forum know my idendity, I don't provide
it to Harley because I do NOT want a dialogue with them in this forum.

So why bother posting, then?

Gavin

Hi,

Colin, I intended no offense to you personally, and please
accept my apology for offense taken.

Apology accepted :slight_smile:

While many of the readers of this forum know my idendity, I don't
provide it to Harley because I do NOT want a dialogue with them in
this forum.

Interesting in itsself. Personally I don't understand the need for
anonymity on a generally friendly forum like this, but that's your
choice, so fair enough.

While on the subject of offense, keep in mind calling two people
'lazy' whom you have never met might be considered offensive--
even if you have a thick hide.

Far be it from me to criticise the staff of a company. The
productivity or otherwise of staff is a matter for the company
concerned. However as a paying customer I believe I am entitled to
call a company lazy without being offensive.

Colin

While many of the readers of this forum know my idendity, I don't provide
it to Harley because I do NOT want a dialogue with them in this forum.

* Is that because you can't match wits with them?

-Russ

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@hotmail.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Colour Maps

Colin, I intended no offense to you personally, and please accept my

apology

for offense taken.

While many of the readers of this forum know my idendity, I don't provide
it to Harley because I do NOT want a dialogue with them in this forum.

While on the subject of offense, keep in mind calling two people 'lazy'

whom

you have never met might be considered offensive--even if you have a thick
hide.

>From: "Colin Forbes" <colin@timewyrm.co.uk>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Colour Maps
>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 15:24:36 -0000
>
>"Ovatha Easterling" (whoever he is) wrote ...
>
> > Colin. I know you are friends with the Harley staff and
> > it is alright if you praise them.
>
>Hmm, I think I object to this. Firstly You know my name but I don't
>know yours. Secondly whether or not I am friends with anyone at Harly
>has nothing to do with my opinions of the game. If you are suggesting
>that my views *would* be affected, then you are questioning my
>objectivity. Given the, um tough line I have taken in the past with
>clint and the lads overcertain issues, this is an absurd suggestion.
>
>
> > Also, I wished Harley was less aggressive in injecting
> > itself in this game. I admit I'm jaundiced: Back in GSI game 313,
> > when Harley took over, they allowed the Mordor DS to fill the
> > dropped DS positions and did not tell the FP that this was being
> > done.
>
>That's not injecting themselves into a game, that's standard practice
>in PBMs throughout the UK. It's just a cultural difference. Whatever
>you may think, this is NOT done to maximise the profit, it's done to
>make sure the games are closely fought and fun for all. In the long
>run that's what brings the profit (such as it is!) :slight_smile:
>
>
> > But they are not (or were not) lazy. They
> > produced a product we all love and they are proud of their baby.
>
>So producing a game over 10 years ago and doing diddly squat to it
>since is not being lazy? Yes there was 2950, but that hardly required
>much work and fourth age (while a good game) again addresses none of
>the actual structural faults of the game.
>
>GSI do not respond to player suggestions (even with a "thanks for your
>opinion") and have done little or nothing to promote the game to a
>wider audience.
>
>
> > Harley is NOT given the source codes because Feild and Stassun
> > know they would cut it apart and resew it into their own image.
> > Yes, I'm talking Frankenstein here. A company that produces
> > Automagic, Palantir, etc, ets can not resist tinkering with the
> > mechanics. Let me say that would be a BAD thing.
>
>I utterly disagree both on a personal level and for business reasons.
>Personally I feel - and have felt since the game was first launched -
>that there are many areas of the game which could be tinkered with.
>
>On a business level, any game needs to adapt or die. Your preferred
>model of administration only would have the game dying. A look at the
>fall in numbers of GSI players over the years of their
>'administration', would be revealing. I have been playing this game
>for 10 years, i want to play it in another 10 years -- yet without the
>'tinkering' ME Games are providing, the game will not survive. Player
>numbers would fall and the game would eventually become commercially
>non-profitable. As things stand GSI are taking a huge cut of the
>profits and doing nothing in return. Any normal supplier of a software
>product is expected to provide support and regular updates. Why does
>this not apply to GSI?
>
>Anyway, I've said my piece and I'm not going to respond to anything
>else Mr Ovatha Easterlings posts unless he reveals his name.
>
>Colin "not afraid to have his opinions linked to his real name" Forbes
>

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