Dead Men Cost Money ?!?

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#1

So it's agreed that "maintenance" is paid in the 300's. Somewhere, excepting the odd troop
problem of recruiting in the 400's or 770, and dying in the 200's. Only fair that the armies
you begin the turn with you pay for.

Now, exactly where the maintenance comes in would be interesting. Do you pay maintenance
on ships you just gave away, or does the recipient? Anyone ever pull that order with such
stringent economic ombudsmen that they noticed? What about conjuring hoards? Do you pay
for that or is that equivalent to recruiting? I would assume that you pay for the hoards, and
your buddy pays for the ships you gave him, as maintenance would be the final 300 series
transaction recorded by the program before 400?

Ah, these things that keep us from getting to those meetings on time....

Regards,

Brad Brunet

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On Mon, 26 March 2001, "Aaruman" wrote:

    Well, you can sell with zero in the bank and a deficit, and not have your taxes
raised automatically, so I have to assume that maintenance comes after natsell.

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-> Actually, I believe battles occur AFTER maintenance costs, so not
-> only do they cost
-> you money, but they eat food as well. Near as I can figure,
-> maintanence costs come at
-> about the late 300's.
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-> Mike Mulka
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-> -Correct me if I am wrong but battles occur prior to maintenance
-> costs ? So
-> -how can I pay the wages of dead troops ?
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#2

Yup. The maintenance is fixed at the start of the turn.
You can lose income through the 200 series, but not gain it (nothing
from captured pop centers.)
At the 300 order you change tax rates, and they are collected
immediately after. You therefore have your taxes to buy stuff.
Then you buy things from the market.
Then you sell things to the market.
Then you pay the piper!

cheers,

Marc

--- In mepbmlist@y..., LBear <ditletang@c...> wrote:

So it's agreed that "maintenance" is paid in the 300's. Somewhere,

excepting the odd troop

problem of recruiting in the 400's or 770, and dying in the 200's.

Only fair that the armies

you begin the turn with you pay for.

Now, exactly where the maintenance comes in would be interesting.

Do you pay maintenance

on ships you just gave away, or does the recipient? Anyone ever

pull that order with such

stringent economic ombudsmen that they noticed? What about

conjuring hoards? Do you pay

for that or is that equivalent to recruiting? I would assume that

you pay for the hoards, and

your buddy pays for the ships you gave him, as maintenance would be

the final 300 series

transaction recorded by the program before 400?

Ah, these things that keep us from getting to those meetings on

time....

Regards,

Brad Brunet

>
> Well, you can sell with zero in the bank and a deficit, and

not have your taxes

> raised automatically, so I have to assume that maintenance comes

after natsell.

>
> -From: Jeffery A. Dobberpuhl [mailto:webguys@l…]
> -Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:39 PM
> -To: mepbmlist@y…
> -Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Dead Men Cost Money ?!?
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> -Maintenance comes before nation sells, I believe…
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> -> From: Aaruman [mailto:aaruman@o…]
> -> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:56 PM
> -> To: mepbmlist@y…
> -> Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Dead Men Cost Money ?!?
> ->
> ->
> -> Actually, I believe battles occur AFTER maintenance costs, so

not

> -> only do they cost
> -> you money, but they eat food as well. Near as I can figure,
> -> maintanence costs come at
> -> about the late 300's.
> ->
> -> Mike Mulka
> ->
> -> ------Original Message-----
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> -> -Subject: [mepbmlist] Dead Men Cost Money ?!?
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> -> -Correct me if I am wrong but battles occur prior to

maintenance

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#3

Is there a formula for how much gold to use to recruit characters from a
defunct nation? What is the lowest amount that can be given to recruit
them?

Thanks

DKG

#4

--- dgarrett <gtgsmom@swbell.net> wrote: > Is there a
formula for how much gold to use to

recruit characters from a
defunct nation?

yes (i think). How accurate it is is another question.

I don't have the link here, but i think laurence has
it on his site.

One of these days someone will have a link to all the
players with middle earth info on it (not just the
main ones). I think b.e came closest in a deft letter,
but deft is down, and b.e middle earth site doesn't
have that info.

What is the lowest amount that can
be given to recruit
them?

You can give bugger all, but that doesn't mean you
will succeed.

But the better your emissary, the lower the amount you
need.

Basically if I don't have 15K for the order, I don't
bother. I reckon 5k for a 30 pointer, 10K for a dual,
so its 15K+ for the superman that i'm taking over.

thanks
din

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#5

The Emmy rank is CRUCIAL. Heavy hitters like Galadriel or Saruman can
recruit anything on the freaking map with about 5k gold (2950). Also,
Pectoral and Voice are Emmy artifacts which help tremendously.
Remember, though, you can't recruit army commanders. Have to KIDNAP them
FIRST, then recruit :slight_smile:

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-----Original Message-----
From: Din [mailto:din_ohtar@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 7:47 AM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Recruiting Characters from Defunct Nations

--- dgarrett <gtgsmom@swbell.net> wrote: > Is there a
formula for how much gold to use to
> recruit characters from a
> defunct nation?

yes (i think). How accurate it is is another question.

I don't have the link here, but i think laurence has
it on his site.

One of these days someone will have a link to all the
players with middle earth info on it (not just the
main ones). I think b.e came closest in a deft letter,
but deft is down, and b.e middle earth site doesn't
have that info.

> What is the lowest amount that can
> be given to recruit
> them?

You can give bugger all, but that doesn't mean you
will succeed.

But the better your emissary, the lower the amount you
need.

Basically if I don't have 15K for the order, I don't
bother. I reckon 5k for a 30 pointer, 10K for a dual,
so its 15K+ for the superman that i'm taking over.

thanks
din

>
> Thanks
>
> DKG
>
>

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--- "Jeffery A. Dobberpuhl" <webguys@lakenet.com>
wrote: > The Emmy rank is CRUCIAL. Heavy hitters like

Galadriel or Saruman can
recruit anything on the freaking map with about 5k
gold (2950). Also,
Pectoral and Voice are Emmy artifacts which help
tremendously.
Remember, though, you can't recruit army commanders.
Have to KIDNAP them
FIRST, then recruit :slight_smile:

It was on laurence's site ....

http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/me.htm

And it says

How much do I need to pay in order to bribe/recruit a
character?

Use the magic formula:

% chance = amount/200 + (1/2) * emissary rank - (1/2)
* bribed char rank

I always work this one out to 100% and it has never
failed me. I've now simplified the formula:

Assuming you want the 100% chance then

100 ( 200 - e + r ) = b

where e is emissary rank, r is the other character's
rank and b is the amount of bribe you need to offer.

.......

Like i said, this calculation is said to be over
generous. But since its a emissary order i'm using,
and there is a deadline for picking up the inactive
people, I don't see that as a problem.

Since I just want the order to work, i'm prepared to
pay my money and get the person.

thanks for that laurence
din

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