Okie, what are the differences between 1650 and 2950 (or FA games for
that matter)? Besides the nations involved. I've been led to believe
that 1650 games are "faster", and get along quickly and as such gets
into into action at the very beginning of it. Can anyone elaborate for
me please? 
脴ystein
That is generally true. 2950 games start out with much smaller armies. However, the
larger armies of the 1650 games generally mean that you start out with a serious
deficit, (some more than others). As for FA games, the starting armies are as small or
smaller than in 2950 games, though you do have some control over this, since you can
design your kingdom. Still, you can't buy many starting troops with the army money. (I
personally like the "design your own nation" feature of the FA games, since in either
1650 or 2950 games, some of the starting nations are MUCH weaker than others.)
Aaruman
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Subject: [mepbmlist] Differences between TA 1650 and TA 2950 games?
Okie, what are the differences between 1650 and 2950 (or FA games for
that matter)? Besides the nations involved. I've been led to believe
that 1650 games are "faster", and get along quickly and as such gets
into into action at the very beginning of it. Can anyone elaborate for
me please?
锟統stein
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2950 is indeed slower to develop. Not sure about DGE players but there are
other differences in the real world as well. 2950 games last longer and are
slower to fill up - 1650 games are quick on the take-up (3-4 1650 games
set-up in the same time to set-up 1 game (maybe 2 now) of 2950).
2950's characters are more "important"/relevant it appears to me. With
economies struggling there is a strategic aspect to building up your
characters/troops which is less relevant than in 1650 games. There are
players who swear by (and only play) the one scenario.
Clint
Okie, what are the differences between 1650 and 2950 (or FA games for
that matter)? Besides the nations involved. I've been led to believe
that 1650 games are "faster", and get along quickly and as such gets
into into action at the very beginning of it. Can anyone elaborate for
me please?
锟統stein
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2950 is indeed slower to develop. Not sure about DGE players but there
are
other differences in the real world as well. 2950 games last longer and
are
slower to fill up - 1650 games are quick on the take-up (3-4 1650 games
set-up in the same time to set-up 1 game (maybe 2 now) of 2950).2950's characters are more "important"/relevant it appears to me. With
economies struggling there is a strategic aspect to building up your
characters/troops which is less relevant than in 1650 games. There are
players who swear by (and only play) the one scenario.Clint
RD: The implication in your first paragraph is that 1650 is more popular (at
least in Europe) - correct?
Concerning characters, they are of course more important in 2950 than 1650
because in 2950 you can't raise such big armies. BUT if a 1650 game lasts a
year or more, characters who survive from the start or early game can become
veritable gods as they build their skills up towards the maximum 100. Such
powerful characters become increasingly more important, compared to armies,
as the game goes on.
Finally concerning the pop base, ie, the maximum number of pops it is
possible to have in each scenario. Pontus Gustavsson wrote that the pop
base in 2950 is bigger than 1650. I am absolutely certain that this is NOT
the case, in fact I believe the reverse to be true: the pop base in 1650 is
bigger than 2950.
CLINT can you settle this question please?
Regards,
Richard.
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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Differences between TA 1650 and TA 2950 games?
Okie, what are the differences between 1650 and 2950 (or FA games for
that matter)? Besides the nations involved. I've been led to believe
that 1650 games are "faster", and get along quickly and as such gets
into into action at the very beginning of it. Can anyone elaborate for
me please?锟統stein
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Finally concerning the pop base, ie, the maximum number of pops it is
possible to have in each scenario. Pontus Gustavsson wrote that the pop
base in 2950 is bigger than 1650. I am absolutely certain that this is NOT
the case, in fact I believe the reverse to be true: the pop base in 1650 is
bigger than 2950.
Please check my mail again. I wrote the mail in the middle of the
night, true, but I'm pretty sure I did not say the pop centre base is
bigger in 2950!!! Quite the opposite I would say, which was one of
the main messages in my mail. So next time you quote me by name and
disagree with what I write, please check that you really do. Or
include my original text so people can check it themselves! What
could have been misunderstood is the sentence about the pop centre
limit, and I'm sorry if my lousy english is the cause of this. I
meant to say that in 2950 all nations start out with MUCH
fewer/lesser pop centres, which usually gives you more time to post
more camps, because the number of camps you can put down before you
reach the limit is higher. Also contributing is the fact that many
2950 nations are extremely poor and choose not to post with armies,
chose not to get the full number of emmies right away etc. Hope this
clarifies it.
/Pontus
CLINT can you settle this question please?
Not much to settle I think Clint, but feel free to do!
/Pontus Gustavsson (knows the difference between 1650 and 2950...)
Ah, sorry Richard. I think this is a misunderstanding of the
definition of the word pop centre base. In my opinion the pop centre
base of a nation is the number and level of pop centres you start out
with and has nothing to do with what I call the pop centre limit. I
don't think they've changed the program between the scenarios, so the
pop centre limit is probably fixed, which means the space between
existing pop centres and maximum nunber of pop centres is larger in
2950 than in 1650, which is what I wanted to say. Sorry about not
reading your definition of pop base.
/Pontus
Finally concerning the pop base, ie, the maximum number of pops it is
possible to have in each scenario. Pontus Gustavsson wrote that the pop
base in 2950 is bigger than 1650. I am absolutely certain that this is NOT
the case, in fact I believe the reverse to be true: the pop base in 1650 is
bigger than 2950.CLINT can you settle this question please?
Regards,
Richard.
>
>
> Okie, what are the differences between 1650 and 2950 (or FA games for
> that matter)? Besides the nations involved. I've been led to believe
> that 1650 games are "faster", and get along quickly and as such gets
> into into action at the very beginning of it. Can anyone elaborate for
> me please?
>
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> Finally concerning the pop base, ie, the maximum number of pops it is
> possible to have in each scenario. Pontus Gustavsson wrote that the pop
> base in 2950 is bigger than 1650. I am absolutely certain that this is
NOT
> the case, in fact I believe the reverse to be true: the pop base in 1650
is
> bigger than 2950.
Please check my mail again. I wrote the mail in the middle of the
night, true, but I'm pretty sure I did not say the pop centre base is
bigger in 2950!!! Quite the opposite I would say, which was one of
the main messages in my mail. So next time you quote me by name and
disagree with what I write, please check that you really do. Or
include my original text so people can check it themselves! What
could have been misunderstood is the sentence about the pop centre
limit, and I'm sorry if my lousy english is the cause of this. I
meant to say that in 2950 all nations start out with MUCH
fewer/lesser pop centres, which usually gives you more time to post
more camps, because the number of camps you can put down before you
reach the limit is higher. Also contributing is the fact that many
2950 nations are extremely poor and choose not to post with armies,
chose not to get the full number of emmies right away etc. Hope this
clarifies it./Pontus
RD: Hi Pontus, I apologise if I misquoted you. Your English is excellent.
Thanks for clarifying the above.
Regards,
Richard.
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From: "Pontus Gustavsson" <pontus@gustavsson.net>
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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Differences between TA 1650 and TA 2950 games?
Ah, sorry Richard. I think this is a misunderstanding of the
definition of the word pop centre base. In my opinion the pop centre
base of a nation is the number and level of pop centres you start out
with and has nothing to do with what I call the pop centre limit. I
don't think they've changed the program between the scenarios, so the
pop centre limit is probably fixed, which means the space between
existing pop centres and maximum nunber of pop centres is larger in
2950 than in 1650, which is what I wanted to say. Sorry about not
reading your definition of pop base.
/Pontus
RD: No problem. All's well that ends well!
Finally concerning the pop base, ie, the maximum number of pops it is
possible to have in each scenario. Pontus Gustavsson wrote that the pop
base in 2950 is bigger than 1650. I am absolutely certain that this is
NOT
the case, in fact I believe the reverse to be true: the pop base in 1650
is
bigger than 2950.
CLINT can you settle this question please?
Regards,
Richard.
>
>
> Okie, what are the differences between 1650 and 2950 (or FA games for
> that matter)? Besides the nations involved. I've been led to believe
> that 1650 games are "faster", and get along quickly and as such gets
> into into action at the very beginning of it. Can anyone elaborate for
> me please?
>
> 锟統stein
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From: "Pontus Gustavsson" <pontus@gustavsson.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Differences between TA 1650 and TA 2950 games?
RD: The implication in your first paragraph is that 1650 is more popular
(at
least in Europe) - correct?
Yes (and in DGEland). 2950 is second in the UK, with 1000 in DGEland.
Finally concerning the pop base, ie, the maximum number of pops it is
possible to have in each scenario. Pontus Gustavsson wrote that the pop
base in 2950 is bigger than 1650. I am absolutely certain that this is
NOT
the case, in fact I believe the reverse to be true: the pop base in 1650
is
bigger than 2950.
CLINT can you settle this question please?
2950 is smaller than 1650 - don't ask me for the stat...
Clint
Regards,
Richard.
>
>
> Okie, what are the differences between 1650 and 2950 (or FA games for
> that matter)? Besides the nations involved. I've been led to believe
> that 1650 games are "faster", and get along quickly and as such gets
> into into action at the very beginning of it. Can anyone elaborate for
> me please?
>
> 锟統stein
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