We're off to see Return of the King on Thursday afternoon so turns might be a little delayed that day... 
Clint
Clint, thanks for trying to fwd the new version to my
hotmail account, but apparently that didn't work,
either.
I'd really like to take a look at it -- I've worked as
an editor for years and enjoy making a clear
introduction for newcomers.
What do you think of the idea of making a Yahoo group
and uploading it? I bet I can download something of
that size -- it's just the mail programs that won't
allow it.
Dan
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Looks like no interest in this sort of game. No problem.
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> Anyway, Harad and Cor combining is 'historically' correct! If you
> don't like it, and your diplomacy is not up to keeping them apart (:-))
> the best way to avoid such an alliance is to play a game using
> pre-aligned neutrals. I've never yet seen them on the same side when
> this is done.It's an option that we could do this for a 1650 game where the nations are
aligned at game start. We'd probably try it without the extra charge that
normally we charge for this. Would there be enough players
interested? 12v12 no Easterlings fort on 4217 and 1910 as per the normal
WC rules.Cor & Dun FP
Har & Rhud DSI'd be happy to put in the +10 to any stat (no stealth, nor any stat raised
above 40, if Mage then no extra spell) as a tester.Clint
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curious. In spain the most common and interesting setting is what we
call "legend games". They are 1650 games with neutrals alligned
(harad and dunland are FP, corsair and rhudaur are DS, easterling
doesnt play. People seems to like it very much.
However, in the "legends" games there are also some different cases:
there are 12 extra camps hidden, 6 for each side. there are one 500
HC, 500 LC and 500 HI bonuses to three random countries of FP and
three random countries of DS. Each country gets a +40 or two +20
bonus to their lowest nation stat (ie: emmisair for Cloud lord, agent
for Arthedain, and so on). Plus we have "extra" nation missions that
also give huge bonuses to people. They include things like: if your
nation (my case, arthedain) gets Gurthang and gives it to Celeborn,
the character doing it gets +40 to mage rank. Or "if your nation -
also arthedain- kills Gaurhir in challenge or by assasination, the
character doing so gets +40 in agent". They are allways hard to
acomplish -ie, no assasination mission for the cloud lord- and the
benefits are also very strong, so the game is not that "fixed" as
1650 and 2950 games are, but are not so unexpecting as 4th age games
are. They are very succesful here, maybe you would like to try
something similar... although tastes seems to be different. Here the
2950 setting is very unpopular, for example.
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Looks like no interest in this sort of game. No problem.
Clint
Looks like no interest in this sort of game. No problem.
Clint
WHOOAH there Clint! A bit premature aren't you? It hasn't been up for a week, and some of your 'normal' games take months to fill. Give it a chance!
Please put it on the FS for at least one week!
Richard.
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Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:09 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Variant 1650 - aligned nations.
> > Anyway, Harad and Cor combining is 'historically' correct! If you
> > don't like it, and your diplomacy is not up to keeping them apart (:-))
> > the best way to avoid such an alliance is to play a game using
> > pre-aligned neutrals. I've never yet seen them on the same side when
> > this is done.
>
>It's an option that we could do this for a 1650 game where the nations are
>aligned at game start. We'd probably try it without the extra charge that
>normally we charge for this. Would there be enough players
>interested? 12v12 no Easterlings fort on 4217 and 1910 as per the normal
>WC rules.
>
>Cor & Dun FP
>Har & Rhud DS
>
>I'd be happy to put in the +10 to any stat (no stealth, nor any stat raised
>above 40, if Mage then no extra spell) as a tester.
>
>Clint
>
>
>
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curious. In spain the most common and interesting setting is what we
call "legend games". They are 1650 games with neutrals alligned
(harad and dunland are FP, corsair and rhudaur are DS, easterling
doesnt play. People seems to like it very much.
However, in the "legends" games there are also some different cases:
there are 12 extra camps hidden, 6 for each side. there are one 500
HC, 500 LC and 500 HI bonuses to three random countries of FP and
three random countries of DS. Each country gets a +40 or two +20
bonus to their lowest nation stat (ie: emmisair for Cloud lord, agent
for Arthedain, and so on). Plus we have "extra" nation missions that
also give huge bonuses to people. They include things like: if your
nation (my case, arthedain) gets Gurthang and gives it to Celeborn,
the character doing it gets +40 to mage rank. Or "if your nation -
also arthedain- kills Gaurhir in challenge or by assasination, the
character doing so gets +40 in agent". They are allways hard to
acomplish -ie, no assasination mission for the cloud lord- and the
benefits are also very strong, so the game is not that "fixed" as
1650 and 2950 games are, but are not so unexpecting as 4th age games
are. They are very succesful here, maybe you would like to try
something similar... although tastes seems to be different. Here the
2950 setting is very unpopular, for example.
RD: Hey Gustavo,
That sounds like a whole lotta fun! I do like some of those ideas.
Harle do run variant games with some (player-suggested) changes like you suggest, but they charge a higher setup fee for the extra work. So I can't resist asking, does your GM charge extra for such 'Legends' games?
I hope your message arouses increased interest in variant games over here (especially my War of the Ring variant)!
Well, you didn't seriously think I would talk about variants without plugging my own baby, did you
Richard.
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From: gustavo_iglesias_garcia
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 5:00 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Variant 1650 - aligned nations.
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, ME Games Ltd <me@M...> wrote:
> Looks like no interest in this sort of game. No problem.
>
> Clint
RD: Hey Gustavo,
That sounds like a whole lotta fun! I do like some of those
ideas.
Harle do run variant games with some (player-suggested) changes
like you suggest, but they charge a higher setup fee for the extra
work. So I can't resist asking, does your GM charge extra for
such 'Legends' games?
No. But i guess that making people more interested in games( and thus
`playing more) makes enough profit for them.
I forget an aditional thing: Randomly, Marauderes armies of
easterling appear in the game. (around 10-15% chance per turn, i
guess from my experience, but no proof on that). This armies are made
by 500 HC steel steel with high morale and training. They enter by a
random hex in any of the borders (including sea ) and have a random
hex as destination. They make 255 and 860 orders, burning everything
they find until they reach its destination (or are stopped).
Which are your War of the Ring variant of the game??
I hope your message arouses increased interest in variant games
over here (especially my War of the Ring variant)!
Well, you didn't seriously think I would talk about variants
without plugging my own baby, did you
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Yes it does, sounds excellent. Hey Clint, looks like this Spanish company
is looking to "keep you on your toes" 
mefacesmo.gif
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At 18:35 14/12/2003, richard devereux wrote:
In spain the most common and interesting setting is what we
call "legend games". They are 1650 games with neutrals alligned
(harad and dunland are FP, corsair and rhudaur are DS, easterling
doesnt play. People seems to like it very much.However, in the "legends" games there are also some different cases:
there are 12 extra camps hidden, 6 for each side. there are one 500
HC, 500 LC and 500 HI bonuses to three random countries of FP and
three random countries of DS. Each country gets a +40 or two +20
bonus to their lowest nation stat (ie: emmisair for Cloud lord, agent
for Arthedain, and so on). Plus we have "extra" nation missions that
also give huge bonuses to people. They include things like: if your
nation (my case, arthedain) gets Gurthang and gives it to Celeborn,
the character doing it gets +40 to mage rank. Or "if your nation -
also arthedain- kills Gaurhir in challenge or by assasination, the
character doing so gets +40 in agent". They are allways hard to
acomplish -ie, no assasination mission for the cloud lord- and the
benefits are also very strong, so the game is not that "fixed" as
1650 and 2950 games are, but are not so unexpecting as 4th age games
are. They are very succesful here, maybe you would like to try
something similar... although tastes seems to be different. Here the
2950 setting is very unpopular, for example.
RD: Hey Gustavo,That sounds like a whole lotta fun! I do like some of those ideas.
> RD: Hey Gustavo,
> That sounds like a whole lotta fun! I do like some of those
ideas.
> Harle do run variant games with some (player-suggested) changes
like you suggest, but they charge a higher setup fee for the extra
work. So I can't resist asking, does your GM charge extra for
such 'Legends' games?No. But i guess that making people more interested in games( and thus
`playing more) makes enough profit for them.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I forget an aditional thing: Randomly, Marauderes armies of
easterling appear in the game. (around 10-15% chance per turn, i
guess from my experience, but no proof on that). This armies are made
by 500 HC steel steel with high morale and training. They enter by a
random hex in any of the borders (including sea ) and have a random
hex as destination. They make 255 and 860 orders, burning everything
they find until they reach its destination (or are stopped).
Sounds very similar to my experience at Chistmas, but for "Easterlings"
substitute "In-laws".
mefacesmo.gif
Laurence G.Tilley
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk
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At 22:04 14/12/2003, gustavo_iglesias_garcia wrote:
It sounds like the Spanish company is doing some tricky programming things
they're likely not technically allowed to...
Brad
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Yes it does, sounds excellent. Hey Clint, looks like this Spanish company
is looking to "keep you on your toes"
sounds like the Spanish company is doing some tricky
programming things
they're likely not technically allowed to...
No one knows. It's in Spanish.
Dan
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RD: Yeah, I think I'll join them. However I must develop my Spanish a bit further than 'dos cerveras por favour' first!
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----- Original Message -----
From: Laurence G. Tilley
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Variant 1650 - aligned nations.
At 18:35 14/12/2003, richard devereux wrote:
>In spain the most common and interesting setting is what we
> call "legend games". They are 1650 games with neutrals alligned
> (harad and dunland are FP, corsair and rhudaur are DS, easterling
> doesnt play. People seems to like it very much.
>
> However, in the "legends" games there are also some different cases:
>
> there are 12 extra camps hidden, 6 for each side. there are one 500
> HC, 500 LC and 500 HI bonuses to three random countries of FP and
> three random countries of DS. Each country gets a +40 or two +20
> bonus to their lowest nation stat (ie: emmisair for Cloud lord, agent
> for Arthedain, and so on). Plus we have "extra" nation missions that
> also give huge bonuses to people. They include things like: if your
> nation (my case, arthedain) gets Gurthang and gives it to Celeborn,
> the character doing it gets +40 to mage rank. Or "if your nation -
> also arthedain- kills Gaurhir in challenge or by assasination, the
> character doing so gets +40 in agent". They are allways hard to
> acomplish -ie, no assasination mission for the cloud lord- and the
> benefits are also very strong, so the game is not that "fixed" as
> 1650 and 2950 games are, but are not so unexpecting as 4th age games
> are. They are very succesful here, maybe you would like to try
> something similar... although tastes seems to be different. Here the
> 2950 setting is very unpopular, for example.
> RD: Hey Gustavo,
>
> That sounds like a whole lotta fun! I do like some of those ideas.
Hey Richard, I'll wear the matador outfit if you wear the swirly dress and
the maraccas. We could probably bluff our way through
mefacesmo.gif
Laurence G.Tilley
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk
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At 21:01 17/12/2003, richard devereux wrote:
> That sounds like a whole lotta fun! I do like some of those ideas.
Yes it does, sounds excellent. Hey Clint, looks like this Spanish company
is looking to "keep you on your toes"Laurence G.Tilley
RD: Yeah, I think I'll join them. However I must develop my Spanish a
bit further than 'dos cerveras por favour' first!
Hey Richard, I'll wear the matador outfit if you wear the swirly dress and
the maraccas. We could probably bluff our way through
mefacesmo.gif
Laurence G.Tilley
RD: Believe it or not, many years ago I did learn the paso doble (amongst others) at dancing classes, so our chances may be better than you think!
But I'm not having a Brazilian for anybody:-)
Richard.
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Variant 1650 - aligned nations.
At 21:01 17/12/2003, richard devereux wrote:
> > That sounds like a whole lotta fun! I do like some of those ideas.
>
> Yes it does, sounds excellent. Hey Clint, looks like this Spanish company
> is looking to "keep you on your toes"
>
> Laurence G.Tilley
> RD: Yeah, I think I'll join them. However I must develop my Spanish a
> bit further than 'dos cerveras por favour' first!
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