Dragons - again!

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#1

Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the Dragon Lore so far collected.

Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon - however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to the army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that Artifacts have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.

At the same time, another character has bumped into another eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you if you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end up if recruited I have two further questions.

If I move this particular character to join another army, will the Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More interestingly, will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new army, or stay with the one he is now with?

I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the commander?

Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics coming up depending on how this works out!

Cheers

Simon

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#2

Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the Dragon

Lore so far collected.

Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon - however he

didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to the army with the
best commander, he went to the army that had the best commander travelling
with it - it does however confirm that Artifacts have an affect on who the
Dragon goes to.

At the same time, another character has bumped into another eminently

recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you if you don't fight
often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end up if recruited I have
two further questions.

If I move this particular character to join another army, will the Dragon

join him at the new location or the old? More interestingly, will the
Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new army, or stay
with the one he is now with?

I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the commander?

Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics coming up

depending on how this works out!

Cheers

Simon

RD: Hi Simon. For starters, I'm pretty sure, nay, as certain as can be,
that sub-commanders have NO pull on dragons, only the primary commanders.
If I'm wrong about this, I sure as hell won't be the only one, and it opens
a whole new can of wyrms (sorry!). It may also account for some of the
apparent inconsistencies about which army dragons join.

If I'm right, your dragon will have looked at the primary commanders, and he
may have picked the one with the highest total ranks, rather than the
highest commander. Therefore moving your subcom will have no effect.

If the army com is the key figure(which is accepted wisdom), and he
transfers com to a lesser com, all characters (including dragons) are
transferred to the new com. But the guy who transferred com cannot now
command an army so cannot attract any newly recruited dragon!

If the army com who attracted your last dragon splits army, or transfers
troops, the original dragon stays with the original commander. However, if
the army com who receives the split or transferred troops is higher ranked
(in dragons' eyes) than the orignal com, THEN the dragon will join the new
army com.

Hope that helps,

Richard.

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#3

On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".

Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to what
army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.

Kasper Ambeck-Madsen

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville" <simon.dunsterville@n...>
wrote:

Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the

Dragon Lore so far collected.

Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -

however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to the
army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best
commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that Artifacts
have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.

At the same time, another character has bumped into another

eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you if
you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end
up if recruited I have two further questions.

If I move this particular character to join another army, will the

Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More interestingly,
will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new
army, or stay with the one he is now with?

I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the

commander?

Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics coming

up depending on how this works out!

···

Cheers

Simon

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#4

Total skill INCLUDING artifacts. This has been proven time and time
again by various experienced vets, including rocket scientist :wink:
and every time I have recruited a dragon it has worked.

Yes, agent arties will add, Yes the Pectoral will add, Command and
Challenge are irrelevant. A 20 com 45 emiss will get the dragon over
the 64 commander with a sword and a huge challenge (presuming they are
both Army Commanders).

The dragon joins the ARMY as a "character travelling with" and is
treated as such, excepting he leaves on his own whimsy. The dragon
will be transferred as such if Command is transferred.

Therefore, Dragon's do not follow individuals.

EVERYTHING has random factors. Accept that, go with what is known*.

Anyone have an example of a FP recruiting a dragon other than
Scorba and Throkmaw? Indisputable evidence? Until then, see * above.

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--- am1beck@hotmail.com wrote:

On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".

Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to what
army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.

Kasper Ambeck-Madsen

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville" <simon.dunsterville@n...>

wrote:
> Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the
Dragon Lore so far collected.
>
> Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -
however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to the

army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best
commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that Artifacts

have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.
>
> At the same time, another character has bumped into another
eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you if
you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end
up if recruited I have two further questions.
>
> If I move this particular character to join another army, will the
Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More interestingly,
will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new
army, or stay with the one he is now with?
>
> I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the
commander?
>
> Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics coming
up depending on how this works out!
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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#5

Total skill INCLUDING artifacts. This has been proven time and time
again by various experienced vets, including rocket scientist :wink:
and every time I have recruited a dragon it has worked.

Yes, agent arties will add, Yes the Pectoral will add, Command and
Challenge are irrelevant. A 20 com 45 emiss will get the dragon over
the 64 commander with a sword and a huge challenge (presuming they are
both Army Commanders).

The dragon joins the ARMY as a "character travelling with" and is
treated as such, excepting he leaves on his own whimsy. The dragon
will be transferred as such if Command is transferred.

Therefore, Dragon's do not follow individuals.

EVERYTHING has random factors. Accept that, go with what is known*.

Anyone have an example of a FP recruiting a dragon other than
Scorba and Throkmaw? Indisputable evidence? Until then, see * above.

RD: I once had a Noldo E30 meet Turukulon. Expecting to him die instantly,
I told him to say (one word only remember): BOLLOCKS!

Turukulon went on to join Elrond's army and cause mayhem amongst the
Witch-king's forces. Ah, I wish!

Richard.

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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

--- am1beck@hotmail.com wrote:
> On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
> sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".
>
> Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to what
> army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.
>
> Kasper Ambeck-Madsen
>
>
>
> --- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville" <simon.dunsterville@n...>
>
> wrote:
> > Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the
> Dragon Lore so far collected.
> >
> > Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -
> however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to the
>
> army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best
> commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that Artifacts
>
> have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.
> >
> > At the same time, another character has bumped into another
> eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you if
> you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end
> up if recruited I have two further questions.
> >
> > If I move this particular character to join another army, will the
> Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More interestingly,
> will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new
> army, or stay with the one he is now with?
> >
> > I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the
> commander?
> >
> > Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics coming
> up depending on how this works out!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#6

Kaspar,

that's what I thought - the Dragon had a choice of 4 commanders - 37,
50(65), 29 & 32 - she ended up joining the 37 - the only reason I can deduce
is that the sub commander in this army is a 72.

My conclusion is that either the Dragon is more whimsical than believed or
the sub-commander's command was taken into account. If the latter is the
case and the Dragon moves with the commander that attracted it, then a whole
host of posibilties open up with the ability to move the sub commander to
join any of the other 3 armies and take the Dragon with him.

Perhaps the answer is that the total command with an army is taken into
account in the same way as artifacts - thus the 37 was viewd by the Dragon
as a 109.

It's a poser

Cheers

Simon

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----- Original Message -----
From: <am1beck@hotmail.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:16 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".

Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to what
army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.

Kasper Ambeck-Madsen

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville" <simon.dunsterville@n...>
wrote:
> Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the
Dragon Lore so far collected.
>
> Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -
however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to the
army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best
commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that Artifacts
have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.
>
> At the same time, another character has bumped into another
eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you if
you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end
up if recruited I have two further questions.
>
> If I move this particular character to join another army, will the
Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More interestingly,
will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new
army, or stay with the one he is now with?
>
> I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the
commander?
>
> Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics coming
up depending on how this works out!
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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#7

Did your 37 commander have any secondary skills?

Again, the total skill rank is conclusive, but odd things happen,
just like a 55 commander may fail an "easy" 185 order.....nothing
is certain...

Scratch the sub commander idea. He and the dragon are now bunking
together....

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--- "simon.dunsterville" <simon.dunsterville@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Kaspar,

that's what I thought - the Dragon had a choice of 4 commanders - 37,
50(65), 29 & 32 - she ended up joining the 37 - the only reason I can
deduce
is that the sub commander in this army is a 72.

My conclusion is that either the Dragon is more whimsical than
believed or
the sub-commander's command was taken into account. If the latter is
the
case and the Dragon moves with the commander that attracted it, then
a whole
host of posibilties open up with the ability to move the sub
commander to
join any of the other 3 armies and take the Dragon with him.

Perhaps the answer is that the total command with an army is taken
into
account in the same way as artifacts - thus the 37 was viewd by the
Dragon
as a 109.

It's a poser

Cheers

Simon

----- Original Message -----
From: <am1beck@hotmail.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:16 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

> On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
> sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".
>
> Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to what
> army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.
>
> Kasper Ambeck-Madsen
>
>
>
> --- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville"
<simon.dunsterville@n...>
> wrote:
> > Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the
> Dragon Lore so far collected.
> >
> > Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -
> however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to
the
> army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best
> commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that
Artifacts
> have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.
> >
> > At the same time, another character has bumped into another
> eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you
if
> you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end
> up if recruited I have two further questions.
> >
> > If I move this particular character to join another army, will
the
> Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More
interestingly,
> will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new
> army, or stay with the one he is now with?
> >
> > I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the
> commander?
> >
> > Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics
coming
> up depending on how this works out!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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#8

Thanks for that - come to that conclusion myself, shame really. I now
understand that its the total power of the characters involved, Dragons
obviously have a shallow outlook on love.

Does anyone know at what point in the turn the Dragon makes the decision?
Is it before or after command is transferred? I'm thinking of understanding
which army a Dragon will join in its first turn if commanders are moving
around.

Thanks

Simon

PS I promise to let this one lie very soon.....honest

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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

Did your 37 commander have any secondary skills?

Again, the total skill rank is conclusive, but odd things happen,
just like a 55 commander may fail an "easy" 185 order.....nothing
is certain...

Scratch the sub commander idea. He and the dragon are now bunking
together....

--- "simon.dunsterville" <simon.dunsterville@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Kaspar,
>
> that's what I thought - the Dragon had a choice of 4 commanders - 37,
> 50(65), 29 & 32 - she ended up joining the 37 - the only reason I can
> deduce
> is that the sub commander in this army is a 72.
>
> My conclusion is that either the Dragon is more whimsical than
> believed or
> the sub-commander's command was taken into account. If the latter is
> the
> case and the Dragon moves with the commander that attracted it, then
> a whole
> host of posibilties open up with the ability to move the sub
> commander to
> join any of the other 3 armies and take the Dragon with him.
>
> Perhaps the answer is that the total command with an army is taken
> into
> account in the same way as artifacts - thus the 37 was viewd by the
> Dragon
> as a 109.
>
> It's a poser
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <am1beck@hotmail.com>
> To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:16 PM
> Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!
>
>
> > On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
> > sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".
> >
> > Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to what
> > army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.
> >
> > Kasper Ambeck-Madsen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville"
> <simon.dunsterville@n...>
> > wrote:
> > > Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the
> > Dragon Lore so far collected.
> > >
> > > Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -
> > however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to
> the
> > army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best
> > commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that
> Artifacts
> > have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.
> > >
> > > At the same time, another character has bumped into another
> > eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you
> if
> > you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end
> > up if recruited I have two further questions.
> > >
> > > If I move this particular character to join another army, will
> the
> > Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More
> interestingly,
> > will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new
> > army, or stay with the one he is now with?
> > >
> > > I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the
> > commander?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics
> coming
> > up depending on how this works out!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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#9

Thanks for that Richard - I avoided the 'can of wyrms' gag, hats off for
slipping it in!

Thanks all

Simon

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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:31 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Dragons - again!

> Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the Dragon
Lore so far collected.
>
> Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon - however he
didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to the army with the
best commander, he went to the army that had the best commander travelling
with it - it does however confirm that Artifacts have an affect on who the
Dragon goes to.
>
> At the same time, another character has bumped into another eminently
recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you if you don't fight
often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end up if recruited I have
two further questions.
>
> If I move this particular character to join another army, will the

Dragon

join him at the new location or the old? More interestingly, will the
Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new army, or stay
with the one he is now with?
>
> I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the

commander?

>
> Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics coming up
depending on how this works out!
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon

RD: Hi Simon. For starters, I'm pretty sure, nay, as certain as can be,
that sub-commanders have NO pull on dragons, only the primary commanders.
If I'm wrong about this, I sure as hell won't be the only one, and it

opens

a whole new can of wyrms (sorry!). It may also account for some of the
apparent inconsistencies about which army dragons join.

If I'm right, your dragon will have looked at the primary commanders, and

he

may have picked the one with the highest total ranks, rather than the
highest commander. Therefore moving your subcom will have no effect.

If the army com is the key figure(which is accepted wisdom), and he
transfers com to a lesser com, all characters (including dragons) are
transferred to the new com. But the guy who transferred com cannot now
command an army so cannot attract any newly recruited dragon!

If the army com who attracted your last dragon splits army, or transfers
troops, the original dragon stays with the original commander. However,

if

the army com who receives the split or transferred troops is higher ranked
(in dragons' eyes) than the orignal com, THEN the dragon will join the new
army com.

Hope that helps,

Richard.

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#10

Yes Kasper have hinedet a pice of information I gave him. But he shut
know beter then to speak of it on the web. Work things out on your
self will give a grater kick and surprice your enemy a lot more.

david

EVERYTHING has random factors. Accept that, go with what is known*.

Anyone have an example of a FP recruiting a dragon other than
Scorba and Throkmaw? Indisputable evidence? Until then, see *

above.

--- am1beck@h... wrote:
> On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
> sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".
>
> Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to

what

> army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.
>
> Kasper Ambeck-Madsen
>
>
>
> --- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville"

<simon.dunsterville@n...>

>
> wrote:
> > Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the
> Dragon Lore so far collected.
> >
> > Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -
> however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to

the

>
> army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the

best

> commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that

Artifacts

>
> have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.
> >
> > At the same time, another character has bumped into another
> eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you

if

> you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will

end

> up if recruited I have two further questions.
> >
> > If I move this particular character to join another army, will

the

> Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More

interestingly,

> will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the

new

> army, or stay with the one he is now with?
> >
> > I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the
> commander?
> >
> > Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics

coming

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#11

Hi Simon,

Everything I have experienced causes me to believe the dragon makes his
decision on which army to join at the point you recruit him - order 285.
(After combat and before transfer command/hire army/split army)

John

···

-----Original Message-----
From: simon.dunsterville [mailto:simon.dunsterville@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:04 AM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

Thanks for that - come to that conclusion myself, shame really. I now
understand that its the total power of the characters involved, Dragons
obviously have a shallow outlook on love.

Does anyone know at what point in the turn the Dragon makes the decision?
Is it before or after command is transferred? I'm thinking of understanding
which army a Dragon will join in its first turn if commanders are moving
around.

Thanks

Simon

PS I promise to let this one lie very soon.....honest

----- Original Message -----
From: Player <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

Did your 37 commander have any secondary skills?

Again, the total skill rank is conclusive, but odd things happen,
just like a 55 commander may fail an "easy" 185 order.....nothing
is certain...

Scratch the sub commander idea. He and the dragon are now bunking
together....

--- "simon.dunsterville" <simon.dunsterville@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Kaspar,
>
> that's what I thought - the Dragon had a choice of 4 commanders - 37,
> 50(65), 29 & 32 - she ended up joining the 37 - the only reason I can
> deduce
> is that the sub commander in this army is a 72.
>
> My conclusion is that either the Dragon is more whimsical than
> believed or
> the sub-commander's command was taken into account. If the latter is
> the
> case and the Dragon moves with the commander that attracted it, then
> a whole
> host of posibilties open up with the ability to move the sub
> commander to
> join any of the other 3 armies and take the Dragon with him.
>
> Perhaps the answer is that the total command with an army is taken
> into
> account in the same way as artifacts - thus the 37 was viewd by the
> Dragon
> as a 109.
>
> It's a poser
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <am1beck@hotmail.com>
> To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:16 PM
> Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!
>
>
> > On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
> > sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".
> >
> > Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to what
> > army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.
> >
> > Kasper Ambeck-Madsen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville"
> <simon.dunsterville@n...>
> > wrote:
> > > Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the
> > Dragon Lore so far collected.
> > >
> > > Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -
> > however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to
> the
> > army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best
> > commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that
> Artifacts
> > have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.
> > >
> > > At the same time, another character has bumped into another
> > eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you
> if
> > you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end
> > up if recruited I have two further questions.
> > >
> > > If I move this particular character to join another army, will
> the
> > Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More
> interestingly,
> > will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new
> > army, or stay with the one he is now with?
> > >
> > > I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the
> > commander?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics
> coming
> > up depending on how this works out!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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#12

Ah well, I'll just have to put up with having 2 tactical nukes in the 1
army!

Thanks all

Simon

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----- Original Message -----
From: John Sasser <johnsasser@earthlink.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:36 PM
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

Hi Simon,

Everything I have experienced causes me to believe the dragon makes his
decision on which army to join at the point you recruit him - order 285.
(After combat and before transfer command/hire army/split army)

John

-----Original Message-----
From: simon.dunsterville [mailto:simon.dunsterville@ntlworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 1:04 AM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

Thanks for that - come to that conclusion myself, shame really. I now
understand that its the total power of the characters involved, Dragons
obviously have a shallow outlook on love.

Does anyone know at what point in the turn the Dragon makes the decision?
Is it before or after command is transferred? I'm thinking of

understanding

which army a Dragon will join in its first turn if commanders are moving
around.

Thanks

Simon

PS I promise to let this one lie very soon.....honest

----- Original Message -----
From: Player <pbmnoot@yahoo.ca>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!

> Did your 37 commander have any secondary skills?
>
> Again, the total skill rank is conclusive, but odd things happen,
> just like a 55 commander may fail an "easy" 185 order.....nothing
> is certain...
>
> Scratch the sub commander idea. He and the dragon are now bunking
> together....
>
> --- "simon.dunsterville" <simon.dunsterville@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Kaspar,
> >
> > that's what I thought - the Dragon had a choice of 4 commanders - 37,
> > 50(65), 29 & 32 - she ended up joining the 37 - the only reason I can
> > deduce
> > is that the sub commander in this army is a 72.
> >
> > My conclusion is that either the Dragon is more whimsical than
> > believed or
> > the sub-commander's command was taken into account. If the latter is
> > the
> > case and the Dragon moves with the commander that attracted it, then
> > a whole
> > host of posibilties open up with the ability to move the sub
> > commander to
> > join any of the other 3 armies and take the Dragon with him.
> >
> > Perhaps the answer is that the total command with an army is taken
> > into
> > account in the same way as artifacts - thus the 37 was viewd by the
> > Dragon
> > as a 109.
> >
> > It's a poser
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <am1beck@hotmail.com>
> > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:16 PM
> > Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Dragons - again!
> >
> >
> > > On a side note. FP characters with VERY high challenge rank can
> > > sometimes "FP unrecruiteble dragons".
> > >
> > > Simon, subcommanders should have no influence what so ever to what
> > > army dragons whimsicly "decides" to end.
> > >
> > > Kasper Ambeck-Madsen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In mepbmlist@y..., "simon.dunsterville"
> > <simon.dunsterville@n...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Me again about Dragons - I think I'll compile a book on all the
> > > Dragon Lore so far collected.
> > > >
> > > > Just got my turn back and successfully recruited the Dragon -
> > > however he didn't go quite where I expected. Instead of going to
> > the
> > > army with the best commander, he went to the army that had the best
> > > commander travelling with it - it does however confirm that
> > Artifacts
> > > have an affect on who the Dragon goes to.
> > > >
> > > > At the same time, another character has bumped into another
> > > eminently recruitable Dragon - although this one tends to eat you
> > if
> > > you don't fight often enough. Now I know where the Dragon will end
> > > up if recruited I have two further questions.
> > > >
> > > > If I move this particular character to join another army, will
> > the
> > > Dragon join him at the new location or the old? More
> > interestingly,
> > > will the Dragon I already have follow the commander to join the new
> > > army, or stay with the one he is now with?
> > > >
> > > > I guess the question is, does the Dragon follow the army or the
> > > commander?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance - theer could be some interesting tactics
> > coming
> > > up depending on how this works out!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Simon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
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