'ello 'ello!!

Hello Rebekah,

It's a game based on J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-Earth. Twenty-five different
people play nations: ten Free Peoples, ten Dark Servants, and five Neutral
nations. It's very entertaining, especially if you like Tolkienesque stuff.
The website for those that run the game is middleearthgames.com. You should
check it out!

Chris G.

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Yes Chris has pretty much got it right. It's a wargame set within the Lord of the Rings with notable characters from the books involved. If you need some more assistance feel free to visit the website or ask directly:

me@middleEarthgames.com

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Hello Rebekah,

It's a game based on J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-Earth. Twenty-five different
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nations. It's very entertaining, especially if you like Tolkienesque stuff.
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Hi,

Its common knowledge that in any combat where the popcenter deals more
dammage than the constitution of the attacking army, the attacking
armycommander is always killed in the combat.
But what happens with any characters that might be traveling with that
army ? Someone has told me that all characters with the army always dies
as well, like overrun. But I think I once experienced this situation (a
long time ago) where my backups were only dammaged.

Can anyone confirm or give any information on what happens with potential
backups in an army which is destroyed attacking a popcenter.

Kim Andersen

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1260 Kbh

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hi,
does this have any bearing on weather the pop centre is seiged or not i'm about to try this in my first game (a battle of the five armies) and would like to know so i can issue other orders instead if the pop centre would not be seiged
thanks
Gareth Gillingham
Kim Andersen <kba@wecodsb.dk> wrote:Hi,

Its common knowledge that in any combat where the popcenter deals more
dammage than the constitution of the attacking army, the attacking
armycommander is always killed in the combat.
But what happens with any characters that might be traveling with that
army ? Someone has told me that all characters with the army always dies
as well, like overrun. But I think I once experienced this situation (a
long time ago) where my backups were only dammaged.

Can anyone confirm or give any information on what happens with potential
backups in an army which is destroyed attacking a popcenter.

Kim Andersen

WecoDsb IT Support
Bredgade 31
1260 Kbh

Tlf afdeling: 33 70 89 99
Tlf Direkte: 33 70 89 74
E-mail: kba@wecodsb.dk

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You can send your army against a pop center to
purposely siege it. Even if you are not capable of
taking it. In some situations you may even want to
sacrifice your character and army to cause the siege.
Hoping in-turn to bankrupt your opponent.

An army strength that is above 50% of the pop center
strength will give you a 'chance' of survival. You
suffer loses and "bounce" off the pop center walls.
Below 50% you will most likely not survive.

As far as characters traveling with the army, I don't
know an answer to that. I would guess you probably
would not survive as per the scenario above.

JCC

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hi,
does this have any bearing on weather the pop centre
is seiged or not i'm about to try this in my first
game (a battle of the five armies) and would like to
know so i can issue other orders instead if the pop
centre would not be seiged
thanks
Gareth Gillingham
Kim Andersen <kba@wecodsb.dk> wrote:Hi,

Its common knowledge that in any combat where the
popcenter deals more
dammage than the constitution of the attacking army,
the attacking
armycommander is always killed in the combat.
But what happens with any characters that might be
traveling with that
army ? Someone has told me that all characters with
the army always dies
as well, like overrun. But I think I once
experienced this situation (a
long time ago) where my backups were only dammaged.

Can anyone confirm or give any information on what
happens with potential
backups in an army which is destroyed attacking a
popcenter.

Kim Andersen

WecoDsb IT Support
Bredgade 31
1260 Kbh

Tlf afdeling: 33 70 89 99
Tlf Direkte: 33 70 89 74
E-mail: kba@wecodsb.dk

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This is also done sometimes in order to prevent hiring new
armies at the pop center (e.g., a 500-man army sacrificing
itself at Morannon to ensure that the DS don't hire an army
there that might block the 2000-man army with 100 war machines
from arriving...)
  
Tony Z

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On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 07:01:25AM -0800, John Choules wrote:

You can send your army against a pop center to
purposely siege it. Even if you are not capable of
taking it. In some situations you may even want to
sacrifice your character and army to cause the siege.
Hoping in-turn to bankrupt your opponent.

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enough people just want something, and think hard enough about it, then
it will happen without anyone actually having to get up and actually
do something about it.

You can send your army against a pop center to
  purposely siege it. Even if you are not capable of
  taking it. In some situations you may even want to
  sacrifice your character and army to cause the siege.
  Hoping in-turn to bankrupt your opponent.

  An army strength that is above 50% of the pop center
  strength will give you a 'chance' of survival. You
  suffer loses and "bounce" off the pop center walls.
  Below 50% you will most likely not survive.

  As far as characters traveling with the army, I don't
  know an answer to that. I would guess you probably
  would not survive as per the scenario above.

  JCC
  RD: I seem to recall that the last time I (unintentionally!) suicided an army against the walls of a pop, all characters "with" the army died. But it was a long time ago (I've been more careful since!) so I won't swear to it.

  Richard.

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  wrote:

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  Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Question regarding Army attack on popcenter

  >
  > hi,
  > does this have any bearing on weather the pop centre
  > is seiged or not i'm about to try this in my first
  > game (a battle of the five armies) and would like to
  > know so i can issue other orders instead if the pop
  > centre would not be seiged
  > thanks
  > Gareth Gillingham
  > Kim Andersen <kba@wecodsb.dk> wrote:Hi,
  >
  > Its common knowledge that in any combat where the
  > popcenter deals more
  > dammage than the constitution of the attacking army,
  > the attacking
  > armycommander is always killed in the combat.
  > But what happens with any characters that might be
  > traveling with that
  > army ? Someone has told me that all characters with
  > the army always dies
  > as well, like overrun. But I think I once
  > experienced this situation (a
  > long time ago) where my backups were only dammaged.
  >
  > Can anyone confirm or give any information on what
  > happens with potential
  > backups in an army which is destroyed attacking a
  > popcenter.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Kim Andersen
  >
  > WecoDsb IT Support
  > Bredgade 31
  > 1260 Kbh
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  > Tlf Direkte: 33 70 89 74
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Could you clarify this for me? If I attack or threaten a pop center with an
army, say twice the defensive strength of the pop center do I still run the
risk of loosing the commander?

Chris

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From: Richard DEVEREUX [mailto:rd@pagan-47.fsnet.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:37 PM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Question regarding Army attack on popcenter

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John Choules
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Question regarding Army attack on popcenter

  You can send your army against a pop center to
  purposely siege it. Even if you are not capable of
  taking it. In some situations you may even want to
  sacrifice your character and army to cause the siege.
  Hoping in-turn to bankrupt your opponent.

  An army strength that is above 50% of the pop center
  strength will give you a 'chance' of survival. You
  suffer loses and "bounce" off the pop center walls.
  Below 50% you will most likely not survive.

  As far as characters traveling with the army, I don't
  know an answer to that. I would guess you probably
  would not survive as per the scenario above.

  JCC
  RD: I seem to recall that the last time I (unintentionally!) suicided an
army against the walls of a pop, all characters "with" the army died. But
it was a long time ago (I've been more careful since!) so I won't swear to
it.

  Richard.

  --- garethj gillingham <garethjgillingham@yahoo.co.uk>
  wrote:
  >
  > hi,
  > does this have any bearing on weather the pop centre
  > is seiged or not i'm about to try this in my first
  > game (a battle of the five armies) and would like to
  > know so i can issue other orders instead if the pop
  > centre would not be seiged
  > thanks
  > Gareth Gillingham
  > Kim Andersen <kba@wecodsb.dk> wrote:Hi,
  >
  > Its common knowledge that in any combat where the
  > popcenter deals more
  > dammage than the constitution of the attacking army,
  > the attacking
  > armycommander is always killed in the combat.
  > But what happens with any characters that might be
  > traveling with that
  > army ? Someone has told me that all characters with
  > the army always dies
  > as well, like overrun. But I think I once
  > experienced this situation (a
  > long time ago) where my backups were only dammaged.
  >
  > Can anyone confirm or give any information on what
  > happens with potential
  > backups in an army which is destroyed attacking a
  > popcenter.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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  >
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  > 1260 Kbh
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You can send your army against a pop center to
    purposely siege it. Even if you are not capable of
    taking it. In some situations you may even want to
    sacrifice your character and army to cause the siege.
    Hoping in-turn to bankrupt your opponent.

    An army strength that is above 50% of the pop center
    strength will give you a 'chance' of survival. You
    suffer loses and "bounce" off the pop center walls.
    Below 50% you will most likely not survive.

    As far as characters traveling with the army, I don't
    know an answer to that. I would guess you probably
    would not survive as per the scenario above.

    JCC
    RD: I seem to recall that the last time I (unintentionally!) suicided an
  army against the walls of a pop, all characters "with" the army died. But
  it was a long time ago (I've been more careful since!) so I won't swear to
  it.

    Richard.

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    wrote:

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  From: Chris M. Mayse
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Question regarding Army attack on popcenter

  Could you clarify this for me? If I attack or threaten a pop center with an
  army, say twice the defensive strength of the pop center do I still run the
  risk of loosing the commander?

  Chris
  RD: No.

  A commander can never be killed or injured by threatening no matter how powerful the pop.

  If an army successfully attacks a pop, the characters in the army never suffer death or injury (unlike in open battle against another army, where characters in an army can get injured even if they are on the winning side).

  However if your army attacks a pop which 2x the strength of your army, the army commander will probably die, and I -think- (altho I'm not certain on this point as it was so long ago) any other characters in the army will die also.

  Hope that helps,

  Richard.

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  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Question regarding Army attack on popcenter

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John Choules
    To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:01 PM
    Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Question regarding Army attack on popcenter

    >
    > hi,
    > does this have any bearing on weather the pop centre
    > is seiged or not i'm about to try this in my first
    > game (a battle of the five armies) and would like to
    > know so i can issue other orders instead if the pop
    > centre would not be seiged
    > thanks
    > Gareth Gillingham
    > Kim Andersen <kba@wecodsb.dk> wrote:Hi,
    >
    > Its common knowledge that in any combat where the
    > popcenter deals more
    > dammage than the constitution of the attacking army,
    > the attacking
    > armycommander is always killed in the combat.
    > But what happens with any characters that might be
    > traveling with that
    > army ? Someone has told me that all characters with
    > the army always dies
    > as well, like overrun. But I think I once
    > experienced this situation (a
    > long time ago) where my backups were only dammaged.
    >
    > Can anyone confirm or give any information on what
    > happens with potential
    > backups in an army which is destroyed attacking a
    > popcenter.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Kim Andersen
    >
    > WecoDsb IT Support
    > Bredgade 31
    > 1260 Kbh
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If an army successfully attacks a pop, the characters in the army

never

suffer death or injury (unlike in open battle against another army,

where

characters in an army can get injured even if they are on the winning
side).

I have had army commanders injured after successfully capturing a Pop
Center. I THINK this occurred when attacking a lone PC, but I'm not
certain that the injury didn't happen during preliminary defending army
combat. I'll have to keep an eye out for this in the future, 'cause I
didn't know this was the case.

However if your army attacks a pop which 2x the strength of your

army,

the army commander will probably die, and I -think- (altho I'm not

certain

on this point as it was so long ago) any other characters in the army

will

die also.

I have had (and seen quite often) an army that was quite close to the
PC's strength attack a PC. In all cases, when the army failed and was
destroyed, the commander died. I'm not certain exactly what is meant by
the "2x the strength of your army" factor mentioned. Maybe I am
misunderstanding.

As for the characters in an army, I KNOW that on two occasions, I have
lost ALL characters with the army in a failed PC attack, but these were
both a LONG time ago and I don't sacrifice an army with any backup
characters anymore, so it could be different. In fact I have since seen
evidence (not strong enough to state conclusively) that sub-characters
can survive, though I would have no idea of the odds on that.

Mike Mulka