farmer maggot

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#1

> Sauron was actually a Maia, or lesser god, of the
same order as Gandalf and
the other wizards, Balrogs, Tom Bombadil, and
(believe it or not) Farmer
Maggot (how else d'you think he was able to resist a
Nazgul

Farmer Maggot a maia ??? While I've no proof, I
think not.

I'm not sure when he resisted a nazgul, but I do
remember other parts of the book where other people
resisted

a) eomer's sister said 'get nicked' to Murazor in
battle.
b) the rangers held back several nazgul from entering
the hobbit's area (and without aragorn helping them).
The nazgul then got in at night.
c) didn't sam's dad said 'rack off' to a nazgul.
d) and of course a few of the elves were able to stand
toe-to-toe with the nazguls.

none of these people were maia.

I think a good sign of a maia is that they are
immortal. While Farmer Maggot had a lot of common
sense (and frodo had been stealing mushrooms from his
place when he was a little lad), I doubt that the
farmer was immortal. That sort of stuff is hard to
hide - except in highlander when it appears that large
numbers of people are immortal.

But i'm willing to listen to opposing views
(especially if you could remind me of when the maggot
resisted the nazgul in the book).

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#2

> > Sauron was actually a Maia, or lesser god, of the
> same order as Gandalf and
> the other wizards, Balrogs, Tom Bombadil, and
> (believe it or not) Farmer
> Maggot (how else d'you think he was able to resist a
> Nazgul

Farmer Maggot a maia ??? While I've no proof, I
think not.

I'm not sure when he resisted a nazgul, but I do
remember other parts of the book where other people
resisted

a) eomer's sister said 'get nicked' to Murazor in
battle.
b) the rangers held back several nazgul from entering
the hobbit's area (and without aragorn helping them).
The nazgul then got in at night.
c) didn't sam's dad said 'rack off' to a nazgul.
d) and of course a few of the elves were able to stand
toe-to-toe with the nazguls.

none of these people were maia.

I think a good sign of a maia is that they are
immortal. While Farmer Maggot had a lot of common
sense (and frodo had been stealing mushrooms from his
place when he was a little lad), I doubt that the
farmer was immortal. That sort of stuff is hard to
hide - except in highlander when it appears that large
numbers of people are immortal.

But i'm willing to listen to opposing views
(especially if you could remind me of when the maggot
resisted the nazgul in the book).

RD: I confess, it is nowhere actually stated that Maggot was a Maia. There
are just some subtle hints; Maggot was a friend of Tom Bombadil, and Gandalf
said something to the effect that there was more to Maggot than meets the
eye. I can't give you the actual reference, but it was early in LoR, when
Frodo visited Maggot on the first stage of his journey to Bree, that Maggot
chased a Nazgul off his land.

It is stated in the Silmarillion that many Maiar stayed in Middle-earth
after its creation to help tend it, and they took different forms according
to the environment they chose to dwell in. Tom Bombadil became a rather
eccentric human, Melian married Elwe/Elu Thingol so presumably took elven
form, Osse was lord of the Inner Seas, whilst the evil Balrogs who lived
underground took on demonic shapes. So it's not inconceivable that Maggot
was a Maia in hobbit form altho, as I said, it is never actually stated.

Regards,

Richard.