farmer maggot

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RD: I confess, it is nowhere actually stated that
Maggot was a Maia. There
are just some subtle hints; Maggot was a friend of
Tom Bombadil,

I read the book, and I still think maggot isn't a
maia.

Tom did comment very nicely on him, but that just
shows that farmer maggot wasn't an ignorant idiot. It
also showed that Maggot left his area to see outside
people, something that hobbits rarly do.

and Gandalf

said something to the effect that there was more to
Maggot than meets the
eye.

I think it was merry actually.

I can't give you the actual reference, but it

was early in LoR, when
Frodo visited Maggot on the first stage of his
journey to Bree, that Maggot
chased a Nazgul off his land.

The nazgul at the start of the book were not as
dangerous as they were later in the book (and when
they were closer to Sauron and his will). When the
nazul broke into Fatty's place, they fled the hobbits
rather than check out the place for clues on Frodo.

It is stated in the Silmarillion that many Maiar
stayed in Middle-earth
after its creation to help tend it, and they took
different forms according
to the environment they chose to dwell in. Tom
Bombadil became a rather
eccentric human,

Spaced out junkie IMO :slight_smile:

Melian married Elwe/Elu Thingol so
presumably took elven
form,

Anyone remember what happened to her ? After the king
died she seems to be gried-striken. Methinks she
sailed back to the undying lands, but I wouldn't bet
on it. She might have died of grief (bonus question -
who in the undying lands died of grief ???)

Osse was lord of the Inner Seas,

I seem to remember that he almost turned to the dark
side (thats why the sea sometimes get too rough).

whilst the
evil Balrogs who lived
underground took on demonic shapes.

You also forgot Galdalf and the other istari.

So it's not

inconceivable that Maggot
was a Maia in hobbit form altho, as I said, it is
never actually stated.

All the maia you mentioned were immortal. I think the
hobbits would have known if this bloke was immortal
(and would Frodo have dares to pinch mushrooms from a
bloke who doesn't age). IMO he was just a normal bloke
who had a lot of common sense.

Regards,

Richard.

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#2

> RD: I confess, it is nowhere actually stated that
> Maggot was a Maia. There
> are just some subtle hints; Maggot was a friend of
> Tom Bombadil,

I read the book, and I still think maggot isn't a
maia.

Tom did comment very nicely on him, but that just
shows that farmer maggot wasn't an ignorant idiot. It
also showed that Maggot left his area to see outside
people, something that hobbits rarly do.

RD: But Maiar did!

and Gandalf
> said something to the effect that there was more to
> Maggot than meets the
> eye.

I think it was merry actually.

I can't give you the actual reference, but it
> was early in LoR, when
> Frodo visited Maggot on the first stage of his
> journey to Bree, that Maggot
> chased a Nazgul off his land.

The nazgul at the start of the book were not as
dangerous as they were later in the book (and when
they were closer to Sauron and his will).

RD: Correct, the Nazgul seemed to grow in power as the story progressed.
Probably Sauron poured more and more of his own power into them as he got
more desperate.

When the

nazul broke into Fatty's place, they fled the hobbits
rather than check out the place for clues on Frodo.

RD: Who the hell is Fatty? D'you mean our esteemed landlord, Barliman
Butterbur?

> Melian married Elwe/Elu Thingol so
> presumably took elven
> form,

Anyone remember what happened to her ? After the king
died she seems to be gried-striken. Methinks she
sailed back to the undying lands, but I wouldn't bet
on it. She might have died of grief

RD: No, and I can't be bothered to look it up.

(bonus question -

who in the undying lands died of grief ???)

RD: None of them! If they made it to the undying lands they lived happily
ever after - cough, excuse me, pass the sick bucket.

> Osse was lord of the Inner Seas,

I seem to remember that he almost turned to the dark
side (thats why the sea sometimes get too rough).

RD: Correct he once nearly turned Dark, but that was because he was seduced
by Melkor/Morgoth. The seas got rough because he was a tempestuous spirit.

> whilst the
> evil Balrogs who lived
> underground took on demonic shapes.

You also forgot Galdalf and the other istari.

RD: Oh no I didn't. Gandalf and the other Istari (wizards) came to
Middle-earth in the Third Age (Unfinished Tales). The Silmarillion states
that some Maiar chose to dwell in Middle-earth from the time of the Creation
(Ages earlier!), and, understandably, took on likenesses of their nature or
the people they dwelt amongst (a bit like the SAS really).

So it's not
> inconceivable that Maggot
> was a Maia in hobbit form altho, as I said, it is
> never actually stated.

All the maia you mentioned were immortal. I think the
hobbits would have known if this bloke was immortal
(and would Frodo have dares to pinch mushrooms from a
bloke who doesn't age). IMO he was just a normal bloke
who had a lot of common sense.

> Regards,
>
> Richard.

RD. Nah nah nah. You miss the point. How would the hobbits have known
Maggot was immortal? He lived in an isolated farmhouse. As far as his
hobbit neighbours knew, from what they could remember thru the haze of
alcohol and weed, there had always been a Farmer Maggot there. They just
presumed that as with normal folk, one generation succeeded another. Did
Tolkien ever mention one of the Maggots dying? There you are then. Tolkien
drew up whole family trees for the other hobbit families but there's only
one Farmer Maggot.

Maggot rools - ok?

Richard.