--- Richard John Devereux <devereux@lineone.net>
wrote: >
> > RD: I confess, it is nowhere actually stated
that
> > Maggot was a Maia. There
> > are just some subtle hints; Maggot was a friend
of
> > Tom Bombadil,
>
> I read the book, and I still think maggot isn't a
> maia.
>
> Tom did comment very nicely on him, but that just
> shows that farmer maggot wasn't an ignorant idiot.
It
> also showed that Maggot left his area to see
outside
> people, something that hobbits rarly do.RD: But Maiar did!
Actually its mixed. The balrogs didn't travel much (in
the First Age they moved from battle to battle. In the
third age the last balrog stayed in moria after being
freed). Ragadast the brown didn't move much from
mirkwood. And Tom didn't travel at all.
Saruman didn't like travelling, but he did it now and
then (mostly in spying missions when he wanted to
check things out for myself).
Only galdalf seemed to like wandering.
>
> and Gandalf
> > said something to the effect that there was more
to
> > Maggot than meets the
> > eye.
>
> I think it was merry actually.
>
> I can't give you the actual reference, but it
> > was early in LoR, when
> > Frodo visited Maggot on the first stage of his
> > journey to Bree, that Maggot
> > chased a Nazgul off his land.
>
> The nazgul at the start of the book were not as
> dangerous as they were later in the book (and when
> they were closer to Sauron and his will).RD: Correct, the Nazgul seemed to grow in power as
the story progressed.
Probably Sauron poured more and more of his own
power into them as he got
more desperate.
I would say that Sauron got more powerful as the book
progressed. I think sauron only got desperate when
Frodo claimed the ring for himself.
When the
> nazul broke into Fatty's place, they fled the
hobbits
> rather than check out the place for clues on
Frodo.
>
RD: Who the hell is Fatty? D'you mean our esteemed
landlord, Barliman
Butterbur?
nope. When Frodo and his company left the shire, they
left a hobbit behind. His name was 'fatty' and he was
to pretend that Frodo was still staying with him. When
the nazgul broke into thru the front door (the 'open
in the name of mordor' line), fatty racked out the
back door and alerted the other hobbits that someone
had invaded the shire.
> > Melian married Elwe/Elu Thingol so
> > presumably took elven
> > form,
>
> Anyone remember what happened to her ? After the
king
> died she seems to be gried-striken. Methinks she
> sailed back to the undying lands, but I wouldn't
bet
> on it. She might have died of griefRD: No, and I can't be bothered to look it up.
(bonus question -
> who in the undying lands died of grief ???)
RD: None of them! If they made it to the undying
lands they lived happily
ever after - cough, excuse me, pass the sick bucket.
I think not. I'll check it up later. I think one of
the noldor women died of grief. Methinks Feanor's mum
???
>> >
> > whilst the
> > evil Balrogs who lived
> > underground took on demonic shapes.
>
> You also forgot Galdalf and the other istari.RD: Oh no I didn't. Gandalf and the other Istari
(wizards) came to
Middle-earth in the Third Age (Unfinished Tales).
yeap. they were NOT allowed to use force (since the
valar remembers what happened when force was used in
the first age). But (as you yourself said), they were
Maiar. They just were not present since the time of
creation.
The Silmarillion states
that some Maiar chose to dwell in Middle-earth from
the time of the Creation
(Ages earlier!), and, understandably, took on
likenesses of their nature or
the people they dwelt amongst (a bit like the SAS
really).
I think the balrogs were corrupted in the undying
lands, and moved across with morgorth, but does that
matter ?
RD. Nah nah nah. You miss the point. How would
the hobbits have known
Maggot was immortal?
the hobbits kept a very good history of people ? They
knew gadalf was imortal, they just didn't care.
He lived in an isolated
farmhouse. As far as his
hobbit neighbours knew, from what they could
remember thru the haze of
alcohol and weed, there had always been a Farmer
Maggot there. They just
presumed that as with normal folk, one generation
succeeded another. Did
Tolkien ever mention one of the Maggots dying?
I think there were only two mentioned ? The farmer and
his wife.
There you are then. Tolkien
drew up whole family trees for the other hobbit
families but there's only
one Farmer Maggot.Maggot rools - ok?
i'll read it again. CLOSELY 
Richard.
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