It seems this this is two-way conversation between
richard and myself, and everyone else is just
listening in.
But its amazing that we are discussing something that
one person wrote as if it was real history.
>
RD: Depends what you mean by 'lost.' The one in the
sky was bound around
Earendil's brow and became a star signalling hope to
both Elves and Men.
Wasn't it supposed to be Mars ?
So
it wasn't lost, in the sense that people could still
see it, but it WAS lost
in the sense that it was inaccessible and beyond
recovery.
I'm thinking lost in the sense that it was
inaccessible. The elves were disappointed at the end
of the first age that none of the jewels were
returning to the undying lands (given that the return
of the jewels were the reason why the elves went to
middle earth in the first place).
Lots of lives lost for no gain. I wonder if Tolkien
was referring to anything ?
Correct that one was cast into a fiery abyss and the
other into the sea.
Tolkien no doubt intended them to be lost in both
senses of the word.
However for those of you who like messing about with
'history,' what if,
perhaps in the 4th Age, the Silmaril cast into the
sea could be found in the
stomach of a sea-monster (of course, somebody would
have to kill the monster
first, but that would make a new interesting
encounter). The Silmaril cast
into the fiery abyss could be carried to a deep cave
by a flow of lava, or
blown out of the volcano by an eruption. Maybe
another Balrog survived and
picked it up - we wouldn't want to make it easy!
Are you listening Deft?
Re your previous email mentioning Feanor's mum: her
name was Miriel. After
giving birth to him, she died of exhaustion (not
grief) but apparently went
to Lorien to die.
I'm aware the mum died of exhaustion. But I still
think someone else snuffed it in the undying lands.
But i'm not sure who it was.
But its not important.
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It seems this this is two-way conversation between
richard and myself, and everyone else is just
listening in.
But its amazing that we are discussing something that
one person wrote as if it was real history.
RD: THat's the power of Tolien's writing.
> >
> RD: Depends what you mean by 'lost.' The one in the
> sky was bound around
> Earendil's brow and became a star signalling hope to
> both Elves and Men.
Wasn't it supposed to be Mars ?
RD: speculation.
people could still
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From: "Din" <din_ohtar@yahoo.com.au>
To: <mepbmlist@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] farmer maggot
> see it, but it WAS lost
> in the sense that it was inaccessible and beyond
> recovery.
I'm thinking lost in the sense that it was
inaccessible. The elves were disappointed at the end
of the first age that none of the jewels were
returning to the undying lands (given that the return
of the jewels were the reason why the elves went to
middle earth in the first place).
Lots of lives lost for no gain. I wonder if Tolkien
was referring to anything ?
>
> Correct that one was cast into a fiery abyss and the
> other into the sea.
> Tolkien no doubt intended them to be lost in both
> senses of the word.
> However for those of you who like messing about with
> 'history,' what if,
> perhaps in the 4th Age, the Silmaril cast into the
> sea could be found in the
> stomach of a sea-monster (of course, somebody would
> have to kill the monster
> first, but that would make a new interesting
> encounter). The Silmaril cast
> into the fiery abyss could be carried to a deep cave
> by a flow of lava, or
> blown out of the volcano by an eruption. Maybe
> another Balrog survived and
> picked it up - we wouldn't want to make it easy!
>
> Are you listening Deft?
>
> Re your previous email mentioning Feanor's mum: her
> name was Miriel. After
> giving birth to him, she died of exhaustion (not
> grief) but apparently went
> to Lorien to die.
I'm aware the mum died of exhaustion. But I still
think someone else snuffed it in the undying lands.
But i'm not sure who it was.
