FS 25/4

Excellent response Clint. I think that says it all.

I for one appreciate the effort you and the team have put in to try to advance this already great game

John Simpson

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From: Middle Earth PBM Games <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
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To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] FS 25/4
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:13:07 +0100

>I thought it was a bit rich of MEPBM to juxtapose a suggestion that we
>vote for them with all the
>stuff about delayed startups

*** To the best of my knowledge there have been no delayed startups. Have
I missed something here? If there any delayed and players feel aggrieved
then please get back to me - my apologies. We generally start up two games
a week. Feel free to bring any complaint to me off list if you prefer so
that I can respond in depth.

>and still no fruit on "projects" such as the PRS and MEOW.

*** Um MEOW is in the Beta (or later) playtest. AM is out, XML is out, new
variants of games are out, accounting bits and pieces are out, error
checking before turns is out, turn not in warning is out. GWCs are 99%
ready - it's a matter of dotting the "i"s on most of the projects and
letting you guys lose on them.

We demoed MEOW at the convention as well as the MeMapmaker (expected
release in 3wks - so triple that!) programmer. Anyone who works with
programmers knows that things don't always go to schedule. As most of them
are working for free or minimal rates we know that there'll be delays. I
try to keep you guys upto date with the situation and on limited budget
this is what we can do. But we could go back to the old days of no
development if you wish, no variant games etc. Unfortunately we were left
in the lurch by one programmer for MEOW so our apologies for that - outside
our sphere of influence. Unfortunately I have not been in the office much
recently due to holiday, trip to US, EuroGencon and various family matters
so haven't been able to keep the pressure up on these to get them upto
date. PRS is ready but I need to error check it for consistency and the like.

For those not aware Harlequin Games has just bought the rights to Legends
to licence it (as well as the games from 3 companies), along with all the
work that means. So we're trying to complete the bits and pieces that we
have left for ME. This means that looks rosy for the stability and future
of our PBM game as there will be no doubt some crossover and mutual skills
shared. From a marketing perspective alone it's great.

We also want to develop our game in the future but that's put on hold for
the time being once we have completed the projects we have set
ourselves. For Middle Earth I have some ideas that I think players might
like but for now we're putting them on hold temporarily (say a few months).

> How on earth can such a competition have any value when the judging
>is open to people who haven't played (or in my case haven't even heard of)
>most of the shortlisted games? Well worth a miss IMO.

*** My take on this is that players can vote for games that they like -
simple. If not, don't vote. We're not forcing any of our players to vote
- but assume that most players who play the game with us enjoy it and what
we can offer and consequently would like to support the game in whatever
manner they can. Voting brings awareness to the public and gets more
players in - ie it rewards you lot in the long run.

Have fun and help make it fun for others.

Clint

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Yes, good answer from Clint. Maybe he could be on top of more projects if
he didn't have to write a dissertation every other day defending ME Games
from cynical criticisms.

Russell Floyd
Cynical Critic

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Simpson" <jdsimpson1@hotmail.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] FS 25/4

Excellent response Clint. I think that says it all.

I for one appreciate the effort you and the team have put in to try to
advance this already great game

John Simpson

>From: Middle Earth PBM Games <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] FS 25/4
>Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:13:07 +0100
>
>
> >I thought it was a bit rich of MEPBM to juxtapose a suggestion that we
> >vote for them with all the
> >stuff about delayed startups
>
>*** To the best of my knowledge there have been no delayed startups.

Have

>I missed something here? If there any delayed and players feel aggrieved
>then please get back to me - my apologies. We generally start up two

games

>a week. Feel free to bring any complaint to me off list if you prefer so
>that I can respond in depth.
>
> >and still no fruit on "projects" such as the PRS and MEOW.
>
>*** Um MEOW is in the Beta (or later) playtest. AM is out, XML is out,

new

>variants of games are out, accounting bits and pieces are out, error
>checking before turns is out, turn not in warning is out. GWCs are 99%
>ready - it's a matter of dotting the "i"s on most of the projects and
>letting you guys lose on them.
>
>We demoed MEOW at the convention as well as the MeMapmaker (expected
>release in 3wks - so triple that!) programmer. Anyone who works with
>programmers knows that things don't always go to schedule. As most of

them

>are working for free or minimal rates we know that there'll be delays. I
>try to keep you guys upto date with the situation and on limited budget
>this is what we can do. But we could go back to the old days of no
>development if you wish, no variant games etc. Unfortunately we were

left

>in the lurch by one programmer for MEOW so our apologies for that -

outside

>our sphere of influence. Unfortunately I have not been in the office

much

>recently due to holiday, trip to US, EuroGencon and various family

matters

>so haven't been able to keep the pressure up on these to get them upto
>date. PRS is ready but I need to error check it for consistency and the
>like.
>
>For those not aware Harlequin Games has just bought the rights to Legends
>to licence it (as well as the games from 3 companies), along with all the
>work that means. So we're trying to complete the bits and pieces that we
>have left for ME. This means that looks rosy for the stability and

future

>of our PBM game as there will be no doubt some crossover and mutual

skills

>shared. From a marketing perspective alone it's great.
>
>We also want to develop our game in the future but that's put on hold for
>the time being once we have completed the projects we have set
>ourselves. For Middle Earth I have some ideas that I think players might
>like but for now we're putting them on hold temporarily (say a few

months).

>
> > How on earth can such a competition have any value when the judging
> >is open to people who haven't played (or in my case haven't even heard
>of)
> >most of the shortlisted games? Well worth a miss IMO.
>
>*** My take on this is that players can vote for games that they like -
>simple. If not, don't vote. We're not forcing any of our players to

vote

>- but assume that most players who play the game with us enjoy it and

what

>we can offer and consequently would like to support the game in whatever
>manner they can. Voting brings awareness to the public and gets more
>players in - ie it rewards you lot in the long run.
>
>Have fun and help make it fun for others.
>
>Clint
>

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Nothing cynical about it. To express the fact that I'm unimpressed with the continued non-appearance of MEOW and the PRS is perfectly honest. Clint's response to the criticism was informative, and I regret the fact that he did not put some of that progress information in the Front Sheet rather than the more negative lines which I quoted.

Laurence G. Tilley

http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk

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At 03:34 27/04/2003, R.K.Floyd wrote:

Yes, good answer from Clint. Maybe he could be on top of more projects if
he didn't have to write a dissertation every other day defending ME Games
from cynical criticisms.

Thanks for the feedback - much appreciated. April has to have been my busiest month ever (save the month of the DGE takeover!) - not one w/end in Cardiff but hopefully I can put some more effort into the game (including my turns!)... :slight_smile:

The projects are working fine from my perspective - surprisingly well considering. I hope that it's worth it. Unfortunately I have had little time as mentioned in my earlier posting to reply to emails or to keep players upto date on the projects - I'm hoping that they'll be completed soon enough that I don't need to.

Clint

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Yes, good answer from Clint. Maybe he could be on top of more projects if
he didn't have to write a dissertation every other day defending ME Games
from cynical criticisms.