We’re going to lose…??? That’s amongst the funniest you’ve said here. We’re moving our capitals? We’re relocating yours for you with arms~!!! You’re going to retake Morannon? It’s a smoking ruin~! Which brings us to what you’re smoking, alas, I doubt THAT’s legal… 
Well,
as long as no one is getting my turn-results (happened in an AK-game) I won’t call possible tactics “cheating”.
I think Brad hasn’t used the right word.-
Looking on the game-flow, I can’t imagine how it should be possible to win this game for the DS.
If you really think with the 620 on the frontline-nations the game is won, you’re not broadcasting your statement that you’re the best PBM.player on this planet.
At the moment the DS have sever problems to get rid of our armies entering Mordor … and as a first result, Morannon is gone.
Kal Nargil will follow soon … and some of our armies are inside of Mordor to take down the unfortified PCs.
… and there’s not much you can do!
So, I really would like to know about the DS-strategy to win this game.
… will be difficult without major PCs.
Have Fun!
Gixxx
Hey as you can see some of your team have said its cheating and have gone on to say that it is so no mistake about the wording.
No oh it was an error in wording.
Its a game tactic, its legal, its not cheating, glad you agree, would be better if others came back and said it though.
Now I am sorry you are not on the ball game but I should enlighten you if you have not been advised as we could say nothing but a honest player would never do that. Mind you a honest player would not resort to personal insutls on the entire other side in my view, but hey what do I know about cheating and tactics.
You have no armies in Mordor it was a glitch alas with the orders, ME had our orders just did not run one set blocking you. Now you may say its cheating asking for a order to be implemented that they had, then again, that might be others in your side.
I am not going to tell you how you are going to lose only that you have and just dont see it, the proof for both sides is in the eating and who wins the game.
And as I have already said to you we make more MT than you destroy each go at the moment, what does that tell us about how few we have.
We have lot of money and goods, no MT problems, lots of characters, why would you think we would be in any trouble?
Now what makes you think that you are getting onto the MT town you think you are?
I cannot say we can stop it only that we have the option, if your curse boys have seen us so be it if they have not know you are safe only as you are right we have to deal with that army. You live at our pleasure not your own old pointy eared ones.
Await the next go and then see how it goes I say!
Anyway I will at least give you credit for distancing yourself from this nasty cheating storm, trust me, the rest of my side did not like it one bit.
Now so you know not one army will leave Mordor alive this go, we will retake OZ push back and rebuild the dog cap stop your next wave dead
3120 armies gone
3020 armmy gone
3221 all gone
3825 all gone
now given we will put enough troops on oz to take it back this go and you cannot stop us, no dont think ngs troops are going back, you know its dangerous to hang about, armies often offend and agents even more.
What pressure do we have on us in Mordor that really hurts?
I would even go on and say you could not stop us rebuilding the dog cap, though you may want to try doing it for us, you wont hold it.
Now I see why you think you can win as its not us on the pipeweed, we of the undead do not need it, we dont dream anymore.
Sorry we didn’t let you steal any gold this turn… but thanks for the advice, we will get back to naming new guys, just tell us who and where. I hear QA, Rhudaur and Dog Lord went on a naming spree this turn, so we will watch and learn from them. CL and QA will be naming new guys all over the place this turn too, I hear. Seriously, wasn’t the character game supposed to be your main thing? We lost 10 characters, you lost 8. But here I go talking numbers again!
It is funny that you have lost so many MTs and Cities and capitals all throughout this game and you say that it doesn’t affect you at all because you can make more. And yet, you keep harping on about how you will manage to get Osgiliath in the coming turns… Apparently you losing pops and capitals left and right all game is no biggie, but us losing our first MT in fifteen turns gets you all worked up. Ok, go for it.
NG is in bad shape due to your agent hits (nicely done, especially that ScoArmy-follow on Eleison) but looks like you plugged one hole and are flooding everywhere else…
Offensives go in attacking waves. One wave burned Morannon this turn. Another wave burned Kas Shadoul. Another wave will burn Kal Nargil. More waves will come and the best you can do will be to gloat for killing the armies after their job is done.
OBN is not cheating in my opinion, but it is low play.
Oh no! The new and improved LR turn had some interesting side-effects… More food for Scorba I guess.
Who ever did that?!
Look I did not use the word cheating, I said what your doing is a loop hole to the ONB rules. And it is. ME puts up with it now, since they can’t (or don’t want to) fix the code and they don’t want to tell people how to play the game to that degree. You don’t have an issue with it we get it, you are after all the people doing it. But you can’t denied that if the market was at normal levels or below you’d have several bankrupt nations, if not the whole DS team would imploded at this point. Your whole team has gold now because its turn 18 you all have been selling small amounts supplies for crazy prices for 10 turns, now you got more than one banker and you ok; thank you for making my point for me. Your rich but you got no PC’s. The econ aspect of the game is gone, now it’s all character war and we all know the DS stick is a lot bigger in this fight.
I’m not talking this game only but the game in general and how it applies to what you’re doing now. You guys have lost this game on every front, and you know it; if you’d take a moment to get off your egos and look at the board and what has happened; yet still you’re plugging away at it ONLY because you can ONB the market pieces up. That’s it….who will win? Who knows? Really who cares? Really that’s talk is for the playground kiddies if it matters to you fine, feel good about yourself. My point was if you do win after this butt spanking you have got in this game, then it’s because of the ONB loop hole and that’s it, the only reason. It’s not because you have played a great game. Have you played great games before well that’s what we have all been told but this is not one of them, in this one you used the “I have the DS I played this move (ONB-solo), and it means I win 90% of the time” a move and any DS team with half a sack of marbles can win by doing given enough turns passing in the game. That’s my point.
But we are not giving up we are indeed wining this game and we will play it through. If we do win and you have ONB with the DS then we will have pulled off what few teams are able to do in a grudge.
I was the one who used the letters c-h-e-a-t in a sequence in this thread. There is no rational conversation possible with fwank, though, he’s completely off the rails. Funny, yes, but not someone to take seriously in an actual conversation amongst sentient beings.
Cheers Gixxer. We will do. You’ve played a great game and we’re holding on for our lives! But hold on we will.
Crikey, there’s a lot of assumptions in your message IronLord.
I for one hope I don’t have a huge ego and I’m certain others on our team don’t.
There’s more than one way to skin a cat. Yes, you’ve played a good game but don’t flatter yourself; you haven’t knocked us out yet and it isn’t because of OBN. When I played this game 15 years ago we still had ridiculously high prices despite no common knowledge of OBN. You guys just haven’t nailed us yet.
You imply that you have won already. Not so. Rules are rules and you win when you beat us fair and square. Unfortunately for you and perhaps this is what you are sore about, is that we ain’t the quitting type.
Hey lest deal with your issues:
You called the game won, I said I did not agree, lets see, you had your shot, you blew it, some bad play and you know it.
We not think as a team you have blown your bolt and hey we will win, whats wrong with that, you called it, we replied when we thought the games ours.
So now we see who is wrong our right, there is no harm in calling a game either way, one of us has to be wrong.
Well sad to see that you do not know your own sides moves, it was NG who blew that attack on the Dark L cap, so say its not so? You have the turns I should not need to tell you who it was.
No harm done with the revised turn for the lr well it was not me gloating about what those armies would do, I dont here it now.
We have lots of gold the game has gone beyond pure economics, we transfer gold now only in so far as we have tried to limit the total amount of gold held by some nations. If you want you can get confirmation of this from ME feel free just ask I will ok this.
At this point we will decide if we carry on this policy or not on a team vote. What we can and have done have not been the same, what we do in the future you can judge for yourself.
I should not have to explain our teams moves as you are sore losers and have to resort to personal attacks, if you wnated any limits again do it at the outset, you did not , do not now seek to impose limits.
Again you had the choice of sides and the choice to pick an agreed format, we started in winter and still manipulated the market early on and made lots of gold early and it was no one banker moves that made us what we are as a result.
We played the economy for the long game we thought it would be and built up as a result.
We stole gold, you stole little is that our fault?
Now I can say early on we had more than one nation, indeed 3 with large amount of gold, no transfers to any of them and as a result a few more now have gold, so much so yes we can move capitals if we desire and not let you do it for us, as we have the gold to spend.
You say its cheating or not the right way to play, thats your view, not ours as you had again the option of agreeing not to do this at all at the outset.
Now some of your nations I am willing to bet feed large armies off small ones to gain movement, some of your side have expressed ther view this is cheating already in other games, have you done it in this game and is it cheating? I await your answer with interest.
My view is its not but hey its just a view and not one I would call you a cheat for doing it.
We stole gold this go to so not got any idea what you are talking about this go either. But perhaps you did not see those turns.
I am aware of many a game where the dark servant bounced back from much worse positions thna we are in.
Now the question is if we can affort to replace losses and so can you, though us stealing gold makes it impossible for some, if we only kill 2 more or kidnap two more who will win in the end.
That we shall now see shall we not.
Now if you as a team wish to go down the route of name calling then who is the more petty? Its not me that started swearing on here.
It does not reflect well and when you lose as you shall, hey you still have the shot at proving me wrong, but hey lets see shall we?
The rest hey why talk about it the games on we will sek to prove we are right, you will now do the same, just using pretty low methods, far worse than ours. When reason fails one resorts to uglyness. Now if name calling and insults do not work, how far are you willing to sink?
The last time I saw this I think the personal level got to killing my wife and kids, is this how far you want to sink, or you going to stop or go further.
That is for you to decide, for me to deal with as I see fit and for others to judge.
The tactic was discovered quite early, but as is the norm in those days, wasn’t necessarily broadcast, yes…? 
It was quite amusing to watch those who denied a single nations’ gold stores affect on the game economy twist when it all came out into this OBN “ruling”.
Regardless of all that, this all started when I made a little forum poke mostly in jest, point being no matter what, you guys were still losing.
And you are.
And it’s possible for you to win with the current DS situation. Sure. I wish you luck and am glad you’re all enjoying the game - cake walks are not much more fun for the winners than the losers most often, and we’ve all had ourselves a most excellent game so far.
But my lardy lardy lard, watching vandal go bananas was worth it - we might consider offering a rematch simply for the comedy…
You said you would leave the game if we didn’t apologize.
You lied. You are not a man of honour. Cheerio~! 
And Honest DS~! Cheers!
…we ain’t the quitting type.
From what I know of who is on your team, I will agree with that statement with the exception of your esteemed leader, who quit in his previous game and promised to quit here… But I guess he’s had an epiphany :eek: - he’s no longer a quitter, just a liar~! 
Hey I will leave this to ME to decide as I have said has the matter been decided as yet, no they have not dealt with it.
So until it is resolved it is where it is.
Its a simple question will they let you swear and engage in personal insults or not, then you also have a choice to make as do I.
Now as you know the wording you have used has already been dealt with in other games, so the matter has already been dealt with, the question now is will they deal with it the same way, let us see.
You know this as you where present where you not in those games, maybe the memory has gone!
Time is with us.
Now as regards the last game I gix kicked me out, do you really not know how to tell the truth. If I will go if you wany and yes is the answer is calling it a day then you dont know how to judge matters worth much.
And of course we are holding on for dear life as you say how close you where last go to getting into Mordor.
But the fact is that way is dead, the path is shut as are all the others and now we have a sigh of relief for quite a bit and dont have to worry for a bit.
But if one turn gets lost or the wrong orders are put in and I dont check the then things can and do happen that you dont want and if you count on a player moving an army to block and he does not its always a problem.
Hey we had to hold on for a long time but now its not so bad, you disagree. well lets see how that goes.
We are far from done
Its a shame to see you sink so low as you know you are losing in the long run, but hey carry on and see how low you can go before it really becomes personal and no longer a game. How low can you go?
I point and laugh and you cry to Clint ~ “Wah~! Brad’s being a meanie on the forum~!”.
Okay. I can’t wait to see how long I have to go to jail for. Cheerio~!
Mmmm, you mean that time when I was on DkLt cap with not enough men to scratch it even if it had 1 loyalty? It was a city when we got there. And you don’t remember it that well, I did have a backup (Gildar) who just fought your guys the next turn and killed 1050 men of yours (including 200 HC)
But whatever, if you are saying that on turn 11 North Gondor, with negligible outside help, should have also burned Barad Dur after capturing Ungol (and having lost nothing!), I am afraid that says more about your play in the Ithil than about ours.
Sadly not the case Clint asked for me to let him deal with such matters before going ballistic and such I am doing.
If its OK to do this then you will see me go far worse than you.
For now its more refrained, lets see how it pans out.
I am more than happy to trade with you in a free for all if thats how its got to be.
And no you did not point and laugh you knew you where going to lose and could not take it.
Knowing I do not suffer personal insults you chose to go completely outside the spirit of the game and do so.
You team talks big about the spirit of the game but where does it cover name calling and insulting others? How do you cover this in the spirit of the game?
Now its OK for you to put bare faced lies on here but you dont like it when you are called on the matter.
Just a bunch of bully boys who like to throw it around but cannot take it so sink to the level you have.
Now as regards the matter of the dark l cap hey so its great play to accept challange is it?
You like to give us freebies and lose armies for no loss?
So the rule of thumb is dont think you can do it give up and die?
I can see I gave you more credit than you deserved no bounce on the walls and die man I am afraid to lose anyone, no decent backup orders jusat accept challange let me recruit more troops and lose it all for naught?
Tut tut I did misread that I thought you slipped another army in and it was great play to do so, just poor play to lose the first army.
Now I know its just poor play thanks for telling me that.
I gave you more credit than you deserved. Shall we mark you dont as afaraid to die on the walls but silly enough to take a challange.
Interesting play indeed, please carry on, can i have more please?
If by ‘no loss’ you mean ‘not getting a pop centre’ then I’m afraid only two armies of yours have caused loss in 17 turns of playing 