The international games round robin tourney (I cheerfully signed up
for this without really understanding)
been forever since this started, and I've lost my notes on exactly
how these games are scored, what happens next, etc.
Can anyone give me a quick explanation?
G
(wondering if there is any scoring benefit to being a lone holdout in
these games)
Here is the standard email I sent out at the beginning of it all - mostly
still correct except for some minor details.
Clint
Dear players,
For those who need information on the format:
Who is playing?
So far I have teams from the US, UK (x2), Germany, Scandanavia, Australians
What are the rules?
Two teams of 12 pit themselves against each other in a pre-aligned Neutral
1650 game. Turnaround is two weekly. The Corsairs and the Dunlendings are
allied to Good, and the Harad and Rhudaur are allied to Evil. The game
lasts a maximum of 52 turns. Points are awarded as follows:
1 point for each nation the winning team has above that of the losing team.
Generally this will mean that the number of players you have in the team
left after you have wiped out the opposition is the number of points you
have. If the game goes the duration the team with the larger number of
nations is considered the winner and points allocated accordingly. In this
situation only the losing team is considered to lost 2 points (minimum
zero). Any team which achieves a One Ring victory gets an additional five
points.
Otherwise it is a standard 1650 game.
What about the Easterlings?
They are removed from the game. All their characters are nobly executed,
and their Pop Centres reduced to rubble, their fortifications removed as
well. The Artifacts Usriev and Horse Slayer are randomly dropped in the
area of the Easterlings' old capital location.
Neutral players ruling:
To start with the Neutrals start off as Neutral with a 100 Commander. This
character MUST do the following orders:
740 Retire character.
175 Change Allegiance Good or Evil as appropriate for their team.
This will enable the Neutrals to do the appropriate adventures as if the
were the correct alignment. Anyone found using such a character (named
leada, leadb, leadc, leadd as appropriate) for ANY other orders will be
removed from the game and their position made inactive.
How do the points work to see who is the World Champion?
Each team will play the FP and DS side against each team in the league. To
start with unless any team expresses a strong preference the teams will be
allocated randomly to start with. The Scanadavian (FP) vs the Germans (DS)
is presently under way, UK vs US (FP) and UK vs Australians (FP).
My, that will take forever. I can't commit to that, can I?
Don't worry - as long as each team is roughly the same (ie from the US,
Scandanvia etc) then players can swop, drop out, re-join as appropriate. If
you just want to test yourself against one team that is fine as well. The
idea is to check out which team is the best - but for everyone to have a go
at the pie if possible.
What do I do now?
Get in touch with Harlequin Games. We are presently taking players for this
and our other games. If you have a team or individual players it is useful
if you can get a team captain organised to chat to us so that things are
dealt with quickly. If you are the team captain please send us a list of
the players, including the email details (I guess most of you will be
playing by email), start-up fee (we take Visa, direct payment into our
account - please ask for details, Mastercard and IMOs amongst others) and
names.
If a team then the positions you want to play, and the names of those
playing them.
Eg
FP team
Position Name Email
1 Iain Fish Iain@dial.pipex.com
2 Michael
..... ....
21 ...
23 Lisa Mcdonald asdfjsdahf
If you are playing as an individual I will collate the information and send
out the details so that I can get everyone chatting before hand so that you
can sort out what positiions you want and form a team.
What will this cost me?
Start-up �5 - covers your first two turns.
Thereafter, overseas email: �3.80
Any questions?
Please get in touch with Harlequin - we are more than happy to help out!
Clint (GM MEPBM)
I have a few "technical" questions:
Harlequin Games wrote:
Here is the standard email I sent out at the beginning of it all - mostly
still correct except for some minor details.Clint
Dear players,
For those who need information on the format:
Who is playing?
So far I have teams from the US, UK (x2), Germany, Scandanavia, Australians
Is this still the number of teams? If so, are there currently 3 games going on,
and will we each ultimatey play five total games, with the winner based on
"total points" after the five rounds have been complete?
What are the rules?
Two teams of 12 pit themselves against each other in a pre-aligned Neutral
1650 game. Turnaround is two weekly. The Corsairs and the Dunlendings are
allied to Good, and the Harad and Rhudaur are allied to Evil. The game lasts
a maximum of 52 turns. Points are awarded as follows:1 point for each nation the winning team has above that of the losing team.
O.k. This I get. If we eliminate the other side (I like this projection much
more than the alternative:), and have, say 7 nations still active, we receive 7
points.
Generally this will mean that the number of players you have in the team left
after you have wiped out the opposition is the number of points you have.
Precisely.
If the game goes the duration the team with the larger number of nations is
considered the winner and points allocated accordingly.
So, e.g., we go the full 52, no one wins and there are 7 free nations and 4 ds
nations, the free would receive 3 points and the ds none? Or the free would get
7 and the ds 4??
In this situation only the losing team is considered to lost 2 points (minimum
zero).
So, actually, in my example above if the free had 7 teams left and the ds 4, the
free would get 3 points for the "difference" and 2 additional points for
winning, for a total of 5 for the free and 0 for the ds? Or 9 for the free and
4 for the ds??
Any team which achieves a One Ring victory gets an additional five points.
O.k. Assuming my assumptions in the last two sections are accurate, and adding
the fact that the victory was achienved (and thus the game ended) via the One
Ring, there would be 7 free nations and 4 ds nations "remaining" at the end of
the turn on which the One Ring vicotry is achieved, how many points would each
side get? 7+2+5 = 14 for the free and 4 for the ds? Or (7-4)+2+5 = 10 for the
free and 0 for the ds??
Another question: what if the ds were the ones who won via the One Ring? Would
they get 4+2+5 = 11 and the free 7, or would the free get 3 (7-4) and the ds 7
(2 for the victory + 5 for the One Ring)??
Finally (and this question is implicit in the previous examples), is the 2 pt.
bonus for winning cumulative with the One Ring bonus, or does a team get 2 pts.
for having the most "surviving nations" _and_ 5 pts. for winning via the One
Ring?
All of this _may_ affect game strategy, so I think it's important to clarify.
Also, this scoring system doesn't reward one team for knocking another team's
nation(s) out earlier rather than later - has any thought been put into this
issue? I believe our team (the US team), thought thought that there _was_ some
kind of additional scoring reflecting a team knocking a nation out sooner rather
than later - not a huge deal, given the relatively early stage of this
(potentially 10-year) long "tournament" but certainly worth addressing.
Otherwise it is a standard 1650 game.
What about the Easterlings?
They are removed from the game. All their characters are nobly executed,
and their Pop Centres reduced to rubble, their fortifications removed as
well. The Artifacts Usriev and Horse Slayer are randomly dropped in the
area of the Easterlings' old capital location.Neutral players ruling:
To start with the Neutrals start off as Neutral with a 100 Commander. This
character MUST do the following orders:
740 Retire character.
175 Change Allegiance Good or Evil as appropriate for their team.This will enable the Neutrals to do the appropriate adventures as if the
were the correct alignment. Anyone found using such a character (named
leada, leadb, leadc, leadd as appropriate) for ANY other orders will be
removed from the game and their position made inactive.How do the points work to see who is the World Champion?
Each team will play the FP and DS side against each team in the league. To
start with unless any team expresses a strong preference the teams will be
allocated randomly to start with. The Scanadavian (FP) vs the Germans (DS)
is presently under way, UK vs US (FP) and UK vs Australians (FP).
So, it's not just _five_ games, it's actually _TEN_ games, with a potential span
of 20 years. Hmm.
Thanks for indulging my "hypothetical-itis." 
b (Ben Shushan)
My, that will take forever. I can't commit to that, can I?
Don't worry - as long as each team is roughly the same (ie from the US,
Scandanvia etc) then players can swop, drop out, re-join as appropriate. If
you just want to test yourself against one team that is fine as well. The
idea is to check out which team is the best - but for everyone to have a go
at the pie if possible.What do I do now?
Get in touch with Harlequin Games. We are presently taking players for this
and our other games. If you have a team or individual players it is useful
if you can get a team captain organised to chat to us so that things are
dealt with quickly. If you are the team captain please send us a list of
the players, including the email details (I guess most of you will be
playing by email), start-up fee (we take Visa, direct payment into our
account - please ask for details, Mastercard and IMOs amongst others) and
names.If a team then the positions you want to play, and the names of those
playing them.Eg
FP team
Position Name Email
1 Iain Fish Iain@dial.pipex.com
2 Michael
..... ....
21 ...
23 Lisa Mcdonald asdfjsdahfIf you are playing as an individual I will collate the information and send
out the details so that I can get everyone chatting before hand so that you
can sort out what positiions you want and form a team.What will this cost me?
Start-up �5 - covers your first two turns.
Thereafter, overseas email: �3.80Any questions?
Please get in touch with Harlequin - we are more than happy to help out!Clint (GM MEPBM)
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> So far I have teams from the US, UK (x2), Germany, Scandanavia,
Australians
Is this still the number of teams? If so, are there currently 3 games
going on,
and will we each ultimatey play five total games, with the winner based on
"total points" after the five rounds have been complete?
I want to see what happens after the first game is completed and get a feel
for how things are progressing and to see if players want to continue with
the format. But assuming everything is okay (I have chatted to one team
about it and they seem happy), then we can go ahead with the above format.
At present there are 6 teams matched as above.
>
> 1 point for each nation the winning team has above that of the losing
team.
O.k. This I get. If we eliminate the other side (I like this projection
much
more than the alternative:), and have, say 7 nations still active, we
receive 7
points.
Yes
> If the game goes the duration the team with the larger number of nations
is
> considered the winner and points allocated accordingly.
So, e.g., we go the full 52, no one wins and there are 7 free nations and
4 ds
nations, the free would receive 3 points and the ds none? Or the free
would get
7 and the ds 4??
The second option of 7 and 4.
> In this situation only the losing team is considered to lost 2 points
(minimum
>
> zero).So, actually, in my example above if the free had 7 teams left and the ds
4, the
free would get 3 points for the "difference" and 2 additional points for
winning, for a total of 5 for the free and 0 for the ds? Or 9 for the
free and
4 for the ds??
Not quite sure as this was all a long time ago. What I prefer to go with
is:
If 52 turns.
Points to go with the teams (eg 7 & 4 as above) and then the addiitional VPs
for the winning teamof 2 points.
> Any team which achieves a One Ring victory gets an additional five
points.
O.k. Assuming my assumptions in the last two sections are accurate, and
adding
the fact that the victory was achienved (and thus the game ended) via the
One
Ring, there would be 7 free nations and 4 ds nations "remaining" at the
end of
the turn on which the One Ring vicotry is achieved, how many points would
each
side get? 7+2+5 = 14 for the free and 4 for the ds? Or (7-4)+2+5 = 10
for the
free and 0 for the ds??
Seems viable - I'll have a think about this though before committing myself.
Another question: what if the ds were the ones who won via the One Ring?
Would
they get 4+2+5 = 11 and the free 7, or would the free get 3 (7-4) and the
ds 7
(2 for the victory + 5 for the One Ring)??
Um - interesting one - will consider as well as I have seen some variations
which might be potentially abusive so want to check first before making a
first draft ruling.
Finally (and this question is implicit in the previous examples), is the 2
pt.
bonus for winning cumulative with the One Ring bonus, or does a team get 2
pts.
for having the most "surviving nations" _and_ 5 pts. for winning via the
One
Ring?
All of this _may_ affect game strategy, so I think it's important to
clarify.
Also, this scoring system doesn't reward one team for knocking another
team's
nation(s) out earlier rather than later - has any thought been put into
this
issue? I believe our team (the US team), thought thought that there _was_
some
kind of additional scoring reflecting a team knocking a nation out sooner
rather
than later - not a huge deal, given the relatively early stage of this
(potentially 10-year) long "tournament" but certainly worth addressing.
Glad you reminded me. Yes some- I expect a number of Clean sweeps - so turn
number will be kept a record of to decide draws. There won't be points
allocated though.
So, it's not just _five_ games, it's actually _TEN_ games, with a
potential span
of 20 years. Hmm.
Yes you are correct. I don't expect it to last that long as teams will drop
out. I am a bit surprised by the success of the format so as per the usual
maxim we'll sort that out later. Well now is potentially later. More than
one game can be running at the same time should players want that.
Thanks for indulging my "hypothetical-itis."
You're welcome. I'll have to come back to you with some of the other
details though, so input from players, as per usual, would be welcome.
Thanks
Clint
b (Ben Shushan)