The Dunland nation has today withdrawn unilaterally from the council of the free following a total breakdown in communications with certain members of the free council.
It is the intention of the Dunnish nation to pursue an independent policy aimed at achieving Dunnish aims and Dunnish aims only.
It reasserts its nation boundaries from which it excludes all personnel from both sides in transgressing. It will punish with all its might any nation who breaks its borders.
It will pursue its own goals. It is the stated intention of the Dunnish nation not to join either of the alliances in this game
Interesting. Now, what happens when the game ends? Will you try to flip to the “winning” side or will you just burn through your nation attacking all who come by? Considering your locale, isn’t an “anti-Free” move simply a DS one, and thusly, wouldn’t simply joining the DS straight out just make more sense? Or, don’t you care about the whole thing and you just want to see what comes on your pdf every couple weeks?
couldn’t care less about winning vps or any of that nonsense. Unwilling to quit (like the position, spent money, etc) can’t go DS (know too much) can’t play with the free (one too many idiots) so a declared policy of neutrality playing for Dunnish aims as laid down by tolkein reclamation of the old Dunland homeland seems the best situation.
So let me get this straight. You cant play well with the Freep so you leave there team?
Personally as the DS we wouldnt want you because you are a turncoat, and Id personally blacklist you from any game you werer a neutral on. I can only hope that the Free, wipe you off the map, under your supposed “guise” of new neutrality, because that just isnt so, you are a freep you aligned yourself with the free, we can only hope the freep put you down…
Dunland a turncoat? How do you figure that Nightsbane? He begins the game as a neutral and is a neutral, free to pursue his own ends until he is declared. If he had declared one side or the other then left to go his own way maybe… but not even then unless he attacked solely those nations he had formerly allied with. Since he could not do this with armies that would leave him fighting only a character war, such a thing would be hard to do for a single nation and especially one with the economy of the Duns. He also states that he will defend his territory from all comers. Just because you have made the declaration to one side or the other and cannot change your mind under the rules of the game does not make you a turncoat if you find out that you have been sold a bag of goods and that you were hoodwinked into making your decision. If you are alienated by your own side you may agree to a truce with the enemy. It is allowed, and even recommended in the rules under certain circumstances. Once a Neutral nation joins a side it does not simply become a toady to that side. It was to begin with a fiercely independent nation that was turning its back on neutrality to choose a side. If it was tricked or is now treated poorly why shouldn’t it say “We madea mistake we were wrong to join.” them and withdraw its support
Your comments indicate you know more about what is going on than has been said. If he had been convinced to join the Free what caused this change of heart? If he has not made his declaration he is free to change direction for whatever his reasons are. What Free nations actions exactly removed him from the fold of the Free?
What troubles me is that you call for black listing this player in any future game in which he signs up as a neutral. There is too much abuse heaped on neutral players who are not completely open and truthful to those aligned players they are in games with. Why should they be? They are after all at game start in it for themselves. They are supposed to play for the best interests of their nation. They were not privy to nor did they have a say in the strategy of an aligned side, why do you expect them to now blindly fall in stride. There is too much talk of black listing, and other punitive action against players who don’t play the way you (insert any player here not just you Nightsbane) think they should. If they are not breaking any rules they have the right to play the way they feel is best. It may be unpopular but they have the right to make decisions on their own. I have rubbed people the wrong way before in games, some have rubbed me the same way in other games but that does not justify blacklisting in my opinion. Just be careful who you play with. You may not like the style of this or that player, if it is really bad you can always inform the moderator you do not wish to be teamed with that person.
To call for others to retaliate because you have a problem is an overeaction in my opinion.
As one of the Free in Game 30 I am very sorry to see Jerry take this course of action but I believe as a few of you have already stated he is free to play the nation as he sees fit.
Unfortunately he was a free in all but icon as he had launched attacks on Rhudaur’s capital with cav and accepted a MT from the Gondorians. A clash of personalities with one of the major nation players and a general dissatisfaction with the level of organisation of our team (which even by my innexperienced standards isn’t great) has caused this reaction. Talking of blacklisting is always an overreaction regardless of the players action, Jerry has done nothing to warrant that at all. He is a damned fine player and would be a great addittion to any Grudge team. He is probably a bit to organised for the level of this free team as his steady stream of advice and planing (which for a semi-newbie like myself was greatly appreciated) does not go down so well with those that think they have a plan in the bag and defend their ideas.
It will be an interesting twist to the game, as much as I dislike having an unknown entity on my flank I now have to live with it.
Regards Herman (Cardy G30, Arthy G1 and Cors G33)
P.S This was my 5th game started.
Well spoken Herman. It is unfortunate that this turn of events has come about in your game. Thanks for shedding a bit of light on the subject. Seems to me that the Duns realized that making the full committment to the Free was not in their best interests and withdrew their support. This does not in my book make them turncoats. It would if I were the Free make me take another look at my plans and my diplomacy to see if fences could be mended. As DS since he has already attacked Rhudaur I could understand a reluctance to continue to treat, but if he withdrew from my territory and was willing to make restitution for damage done in return for peace I think I would pursue that as well. To me it is a whole new ball game to make something out of or lose the opportunity. I know which course I would choose it will be interesting to know what does transpire.
I had to the the same thing in my last 1 week game as a neutral: joined and played with the free and then withdrew during a bad planning period that got viscious and personal. I can certainly see where Isd is coming from. I dropped that game myself, my reasoning being “I am no longer deriving enjoyment from my expenditure.” If Isd is still enjoying his Dun game, then his course of action is perfectly acceptable. Step back and realize we’re playing a fantasy game where my nation’s interests sometimes follow the same path as yours…but other times, simply doesn’t. We have a major IRL nation now spending billions and many lives fighting against assorted fellows the world over who are all fighting back with weapons and training provided by said major nation in the first place. This type of thing is certainly understandable and very realistic, frankly.
Got to admit I am starting to think that the standard varient just aint for me. (Don’t know who you will be playing with or what they are like) Might try my hand at a Gunboat next. Still think grudge is the best value (mainly because so far I have been on the best teams!) It certainly is a steep learning curve in that cut throat environment.
Hmm, not when suppossed team members start ranting at each other and the team falls apart. I have never been on a more fragmented/ disorganised team. I am also guilty of not putting in enough as I have concentrated mainly on my area in Angmar. Every one has a right to run their nation as they see fit but some of the moves that have been made were bad and I haven’t spoken out about them. I guess thats why I like grudge as the team structure is organised before the kick off and you know where you stand.
While the standard game is a fantasy simulation, it resembles the Real World very closely. This is because there are up to 25 persons interacting and requires considerable interactive skill. Persons tend to make the same mistakes in the game as they do in Real Life.
A person who acts contemptuously, say, with their spouse will act that way with an ally. An individual who would tell a boss to ‘jump in the lake’ will do that with a neutral. An individual unable to handle his personal finances will bankrupt his nation, etc. The standard game is far more demanding than some of the variants on many personality types.
The guy that treats his wife with contempt will find himself divorced, the guy that tells his boss to go jump will find himself unemployed. The guy that plays his nation like an imbicile will ruin the game for his other team members.
JMO
Id like to retract my statments above to ISD, not due to anything anyone else said but in re-evaluating my harshness. I too was a neutral and just picked a side, didnt want this game crashing down as I only just took the corsair capital (with harads help), anyways for my brashness I do apologize…let the game continue or the Free surrender…doesnt matter anymore…
The DUN player in this game has done a remarkable job. He has single handedly picked up the slack left by most all of the original FP players. Thank you for your time, DUN-30. I hope I am fortunate enough to be in one of your future games.
I have said it before and will say it again, Jerry is a first class player and a great asset to any team. Unfortunately the free are only just starting to form something resembling a team and considering this the DS have not done anywhere near enough damage, shame on you, you slackers!
Regards Herman (The hard working Rhu smashing machine!)
(Hmm maybe I should have waited to see my turn before making that comment?)
