One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth
of taxes.
That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms,
over the years.
It is simply not true.
I had one particular example in a previous game, where
I tried to figure out how the 5 agents made off with
18,000 gold from one of my towns, and with gold
production, taxes, and % of my current reserves, I
just couldn't make the numbers come to any logical
conclusion. And, I took reserves at the beginning of
the turn, reserves at the end, reserves after
maintenance, etc........ Made no sense.
Now, I may have calculated something somewhere wrong,
and the formula may well be within those parameters,
but it isn't a cut-and-dried formula. Hey, throw in
agent rank and loyalty..........geez, I'd rather just
play than compile this...........
Regards,
Brad Brunet
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On Thu, 08 February 2001, Tony Zbaraschuk wrote:
The general rule is that you can't steal more gold
from a pop center
than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their
gold off to the
capital they'll never have more on hand than one
turn's production.
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I see that it does not come to the sum of the stealing... It is a one-character rating, a sorta
personal thing. It's rather strange, but that's what i saw.
And anyway, i saw 13000 gold being stolen from 2136 . At that moment it was a Medium Town, and at
that game, it had no gold production.
Ok, forests should not have gold production, but with those elven oddities, who knows.
Will
Brazilian PBMer, lurking here since August 2000. (my first post, welcome's accepted !)
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From: "bgbrunet" <ditletang@canada.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Game 63 Witchking
On Thu, 08 February 2001, Tony Zbaraschuk wrote:
> The general rule is that you can't steal more gold
> from a pop center
> than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their
> gold off to the
> capital they'll never have more on hand than one
> turn's production.
One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth
of taxes.
That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms,
over the years.
It is simply not true.
I had one particular example in a previous game, where
I tried to figure out how the 5 agents made off with
18,000 gold from one of my towns, and with gold
production, taxes, and % of my current reserves, I
just couldn't make the numbers come to any logical
conclusion. And, I took reserves at the beginning of
the turn, reserves at the end, reserves after
maintenance, etc........ Made no sense.
Now, I may have calculated something somewhere wrong,
and the formula may well be within those parameters,
but it isn't a cut-and-dried formula. Hey, throw in
agent rank and loyalty..........geez, I'd rather just
play than compile this...........
Regards,
Brad Brunet
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I think it's a case of each individual agent being able to steal
up to the limit (which is set by production/taxes of that pop
center, or else up to the entire treasury if it's the capital.)
Tony Z
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On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:41:15PM -0800, bgbrunet wrote:
On Thu, 08 February 2001, Tony Zbaraschuk wrote:
> The general rule is that you can't steal more gold
> from a pop center
> than it has. Since most pop centers ship all their
> gold off to the
> capital they'll never have more on hand than one
> turn's production.
One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth
of taxes.
That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms,
over the years.
It is simply not true.
I had one particular example in a previous game, where
I tried to figure out how the 5 agents made off with
18,000 gold from one of my towns, and with gold
production, taxes, and % of my current reserves, I
just couldn't make the numbers come to any logical
conclusion. And, I took reserves at the beginning of
the turn, reserves at the end, reserves after
maintenance, etc........ Made no sense.
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"The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning;
His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air,
And he that stays will die for naught, and home there's no returning."
The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair.--A.E. Housman
One turns production (straight gold) + one turn worth
of taxes.
That is the rule as explained to me, in general terms,
over the years.
It is simply not true.
Of course not, otherwise you wouldn't get gold from camps in the plains.
I've stolen gold from camps in swamps, and they produce nothing at all!
How much gold a pop center brings in influences how much you can take,
but there is more to the formula than max=production.
Here's one to keep you going in the funny department, Clint (forwarded to me
from someone in the UN of all places!):
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING DUTCH
1. You can get arrested for growing plants, but not for smoking
them.
2. You can make jokes about the Belgians and still drink their beer.
3. a. You can legally kill yourself
b. You can legally be killed
4. You're exactly like the Germans, except that nobody hates you.
5. You think you are a world power, but everyone else thinks
Copenhagen is your capital.....
6. You get to insult people and defend yourself by saying it's a
national tradition.
7. You can put your finger in a dyke and it will save your country
8. You live in the most densely populated country in Europe, and
still you've never seen your neighbours.
9. If the economy is bad, blame the Germans. If a war is started,
blame the Germans. If you lose your keys, blame the Germans.
10. Bikes are public property. Locks are a challenge.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING BELGIAN
1. You get to speak three languages, but none of them intelligibly.
2. If other countries want to fight a war, they will do it in your
country.
3. You can brew drinks out of fruit, and still call it beer.
4. You are either a.like the Dutch, just less efficient
b.like the French, just less romantic
c.like the Germans
5. Decent fries. Real mayonnaise. Great chocolate. The best beer.
6. No one knows anything about you, except for the Dutch and French
and they make fun of you.
7. More scandals in a week than any other country in a decade.
8. You can drive like a maniac on the road and nobody cares
9. All your famous countrymen are either imaginary, or sex-offenders
10. Face it. It's not really a country, is it?
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING FRENCH:
1. When speaking fast you can make yourself sound gay.
2. Experience the joy of winning the World Cup for the first time
3. You get to eat insect food like snails and frog's legs.
4. If there's a war you can surrender really early.
5. You don't have to read the subtitles on those late night films on
Channel 4.
6. You can test your own nuclear weapons in other people's
countries.
7. You can be ugly and still become a famous film star.
8. Allow Germans to march up and down your most famous street
humiliating your sense of national pride.
9. You don't have to bother with toilets, just shit in the street.
10. People think you're a great lover even when you're not.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING AMERICAN :
1. You can have a woman president without electing her.
2. You can spell color wrong and get away with it.
3. You can call Budweiser beer.
4. You can be a crook and still be president.
5. If you've got enough money you can get elected to do anything.
6. If you can breathe you can get a gun.
7. You get to be really obese.
8. You can play golf in the most hideous clothes ever made and
nobody seems to care.
9. You get to call everyone you've never met "buddy".
10. You can think you're the greatest nation on earth.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING NORWEGIAN:
1. You get to pay the highest taxes in the world.
2. You can kill baby seals and eat Rudolph the Reindeer.
3. You live in total freezing darkness half the year and get 24 hour
ozone-hole radiation the other half.
4. You can get capital punishment for smoking dope.
5. You can go skiing in your knickers.
6. You get to hate the Swedes and beat the Brazilians in football.
7. You have to be a woman to get anywhere.
8. You don't need to worry about land prices rocketing - its fairly
spacious.
9. When abroad you can impress people you meet with stories about
killing polar bears and shagging penguins and they believe you.
10. You can actually get bored with blondes.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING ENGLISH :
1. Two World Wars and One World Cup.
2. Warm beer.
3. You get to confuse everyone with the rules of cricket.
4. You get to accept defeat graciously in major sporting events.
5. Union jack underpants.
6. Water shortages guaranteed every single summer.
7. You can live in the past and imagine you are still a world power.
8. Bathing once a week - whether you need to or not.
9. Ditto changing underwear.
10.Beats being Welsh.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING SCOTTISH :
1. You're not English
2. You're not English
3. You're not English
4. You're not English
5. You're not English
6. You're not English
7. You're not English
8. You're not English
9. You're not English
10.You're not English
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING ITALIAN :
1. In-depth knowledge of bizarre pasta shapes.
2. Unembarrassed to wear fur.
3. No need to worry about tax returns.
4. Glorious military history prior to 400BC.
5. Can wear sunglasses inside.
6. Political stability.
7. Flexible working hours.
8. Live near the Pope.
9. Can spend hours braiding girlfriend's armpit hair.
10. Country run by Sicilian murderers.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING SPANISH
1. Glorious history of killing South American tribes.
2. The rest of Europe thinks Africa begins at the Pyrenees.
3. You get your beaches invaded by Germans, Danes, Brits, etc.
4. The rest of your country is already invaded by Moroccans.
5. Everybody else makes crap paella and claims it's the real thing.
6. Honesty.
7. Only sure way of bedding a woman is to dress up in stupid, tight
clothes and risk your life in front of bulls.
8. You get to eat bull's testicles.
9. Gibraltar.
10.Supported Argentina in Falklands War.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING GERMAN
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.Give them a second chance
1. Oktoberfest.
2. Okotberfest-beer.
3. BMW.
4. VW.
5. Audi.
6. Mercedes.
7. On a highway you can travel at a speed that would bring you to
jail in any other country of the world.
8. You do not have to learn German as a foreign language.
9. You think Sauerkraut is delicious.
10. Contrary to common belief laughing is not forbidden by law
(yet).
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING INDIAN :
1. Chicken Madras.
2. Lamb Passanda.
3. Onion Bhaji.
4. Bombay Potato.
5. Chicken Tikka Masala.
6. Rogan Josh.
7. Popadoms.
8. Chicken Dopiaza.
9. Kingfisher lager.
10. Aggravate everyone else by shaking your head when talking.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING WELSH:
1. You've got to be having a laugh, haven't you?
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING IRISH :
1. Guinness.
2. 18 children because you can't use contraceptives.
3. You can get into a fight just by marching down someone's road.
4. Pubs never close.
5. Can use Papal edicts on contraception passed in second Vatican
Council of 1968 to persuade your girlfriend that you can't have sex with
a condom on.
6. No one can ever remember the night before.
7. Kill people you don't agree with.
8. Stew.
9. More Guinness.
10. Eating stew and drinking Guinness in an Irish pub at 3 in the
morning after a bout of sectarian violence.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING CANADIAN :
1. It beats being an American.
2. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn its capital
to the ground.
3. You can play ice hockey 12 months a year, outdoors.
4. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn its capital
to the ground.
5. Where else can you travel 1000 miles over fresh water in a canoe?
6. A political leader can admit to smoking pot and his/her
popularity ratings will rise.
7. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn its capital
to the ground.
8. Kill Grizzly bears with huge shotguns and cover your house in
their skins.
9. Own-an-Eskimo scheme.
10. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn its capital
to the round.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING AUSTRALIAN:
1. Know your great-grand-dad was a murdering bar steward that no
civilised nation on earth wanted.
2. Fosters Lager.
3. Dispossess Aborigines who have lived in your country for 40,000
years because you think it belongs to you.
4. Cricket captain not afraid to cry live on TV.
5. Tact and sensitivity.
6. Bondi Beach.
7. Other beaches.
8. Liberated attitude to homosexuals.
9. Drinking cold lager on the beach.
10. Having a bit of a swim and then drink some cold lager on the
beach.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING GREEK
1. You get to shout about your culture although the only real
culture most Greeks have is what is growing between their toes.
2. The police are even more corrupt than the criminals they are
supposed to be chasing.
3. You can blow your nose in the street by pinching it between the
thumb and forefinger and trumpeting forth without everyone around
wretching their stomach contents up at the sight.
4. Old women can sport moustaches.
5. Young women can sport moustaches.
6. Men can be hairier than the average grizzly bear and not get put
in a zoo.
7. You get to call the bouzouki a musical instrument when the rest
of the world sees it as an instrument of torture.
8. You are the only nation to have lost its marbles and still wants
to let everyone else around the world know about it.
9. Ridiculous bureaucracy.
10. Nana Mouskouri and Demis Roussos.
