The following new games are filling up.
Bofa 2wk [Game 116]: Player asked to play all of a side vs another player
1/3rd off cost. Full 1000 Rules or negotiable.
1650 2wk Gunboat [Game 92]: 7 Duos available (see changed from normal
format) [7/6]
2950 2wk Gunboat [Game 220]: 7 duos available. [16/6]
1650 2wk [Game 89]: 10 nations available.[24/5]
2950 2wk [Game 20]: 15 nations available. [23/5]
1000 2wk [Game 40]: Standard game - new format for set-up, regional
placement, King and Prince characters, extra PCs. Ask for rules. 23
Nations available. [13/5]
Grudge Games we need opposition for:
Mark Seward 1000 Grudge team
Thanks
Clint
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Quick reminder. You are NOT allowed to talk to others in the game about ANY aspect of that game.
Please respect those rules. If you don't want to stick to them don't play the game.
We have some formats of GB with 50 word diplos every 5 turns if you want but then it's still limited solely to the 50 words and NOTHING more.
Clint
Hi Clint,
I don't know if this email was sent because of what I said on this list (came shortly on the heels of my post), but you can plainly read that I said I wanted to chat about it after the game was over.
1. I knew Richard was in the game because you list all our names each turn,
2. Everyone in that game knew there was only one last turn to run, once again, because you told us.
Drew
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ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
Quick reminder. You are NOT allowed to talk to others in the game about
ANY aspect of that game.
Please respect those rules. If you don't want to stick to them don't play
the game.
We have some formats of GB with 50 word diplos every 5 turns if you want
but then it's still limited solely to the 50 words and NOTHING more.
Clint
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RD: Firstly, I have no problem with Drew breaking silence when he did, for
the reasons he gives.
Secondly, I feel strongly that it is a BAD idea for MEGames to publish the
names of people playing GB games before those games end. It's like
introducing somebody at a party, and then saying you can't talk to them
until the party's over. If you do NOT publish the names, there is no
temptation to contact the other players.
I am not suggesting for one moment that anybody cheated by breaking silence
early, but there is no point in having rules if you cannot enforce them. I
know you are running these games on trust, but why not remove the
temptation?
As for the 50-word diplo version every 5 turns, how on earth do you know if
players are abiding by that? It is self-evidently unenforceable.
Just asking!
Richard.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Drukarzun" <drukarzun@yahoo.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Gunboat
Hi Clint,
I don't know if this email was sent because of what I said on this list
(came shortly on the heels of my post), but you can plainly read that I said
I wanted to chat about it after the game was over.
1. I knew Richard was in the game because you list all our names each
turn,
2. Everyone in that game knew there was only one last turn to run, once
again, because you told us.
Drew
ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
Quick reminder. You are NOT allowed to talk to others in the game about
ANY aspect of that game.
Please respect those rules. If you don't want to stick to them don't play
the game.
We have some formats of GB with 50 word diplos every 5 turns if you want
but then it's still limited solely to the 50 words and NOTHING more.
Clint
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Secondly, I feel strongly that it is a BAD idea for MEGames to publish the
names of people playing GB games before those games end. It's like
introducing somebody at a party, and then saying you can't talk to them
until the party's over. If you do NOT publish the names, there is no
temptation to contact the other players.
I feel similarly strongly the other way. It helps players not to chat when they know who they cannot chat to.
I am not suggesting for one moment that anybody cheated by breaking silence
early, but there is no point in having rules if you cannot enforce them. I
know you are running these games on trust, but why not remove the
temptation?
Otherwise you just chat and find out that others are in the game having gabbed. I've seen it happen lots of times.
As for the 50-word diplo version every 5 turns, how on earth do you know if players are abiding by that? It is self-evidently unenforceable.
Same thing for any aspect of the game. It's the rules - if you break the rules then you're cheating. If you want to cheat then eventually you'll, probably, be found out. Same for the entire GB game - there's no way that you can stop players talking if they want to so we have to trust the players.
In one game you mentioned that you didn't trust a ruling we made - after you dropped the game we informed you why the "strange circumstance" had occurred in the game (ie Nazgul under 3 different nations at your capital I recall - the answer - one nation had died and the 3rd Nazgul had been recruited). Ie it's all about trust. We enforce the rules and investigate where players feel aggrieved and it's similar with the messages.
I don't mind if the game runs with the messages or not - in the two games (as a player) that I'm in with them there's been less co-ordination than say game 12 where my duo worked well with another ally despite no communication but that's sort of a different, although still interesting, topic to look into.
Clint
Richard:
I have a theory. But first a question to the players. If players drop and their Gunboat nations are picked up by others, are the players told of this? I don't play Gunboat, so I don't know the answer. Something along the lines "Old Joe has quit and Bill the Weasel is now in the game."
The purpose of identifying everyone in the game is to prevent inadvertant conversations. So, presumably, the game players are kept abreast of who comes into the game.
If someone can answer that question for me I will know if my theory might be right.
Ed
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From: ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Gunboat
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:19:10 -0700
>Secondly, I feel strongly that it is a BAD idea for MEGames to publish the
>names of people playing GB games before those games end. It's like
>introducing somebody at a party, and then saying you can't talk to them
>until the party's over. If you do NOT publish the names, there is no
>temptation to contact the other players.
I feel similarly strongly the other way. It helps players not to chat when
they know who they cannot chat to.
>I am not suggesting for one moment that anybody cheated by breaking silence
>early, but there is no point in having rules if you cannot enforce them. I
>know you are running these games on trust, but why not remove the
>temptation?
Otherwise you just chat and find out that others are in the game having
gabbed. I've seen it happen lots of times.
>As for the 50-word diplo version every 5 turns, how on earth do you know
>if players are abiding by that? It is self-evidently unenforceable.
Same thing for any aspect of the game. It's the rules - if you break the
rules then you're cheating. If you want to cheat then eventually you'll,
probably, be found out. Same for the entire GB game - there's no way that
you can stop players talking if they want to so we have to trust the players.
In one game you mentioned that you didn't trust a ruling we made - after
you dropped the game we informed you why the "strange circumstance" had
occurred in the game (ie Nazgul under 3 different nations at your capital I
recall - the answer - one nation had died and the 3rd Nazgul had been
recruited). Ie it's all about trust. We enforce the rules and investigate
where players feel aggrieved and it's similar with the messages.
I don't mind if the game runs with the messages or not - in the two games
(as a player) that I'm in with them there's been less co-ordination than
say game 12 where my duo worked well with another ally despite no
communication but that's sort of a different, although still interesting,
topic to look into.
Clint
