Gunboat Questions

General
#1

There has been considerable discussion and debate about the extent to which emissaries are allowed to execute the Double order in Gunboat. I would like a clarification on the current Gunboat rules in regard to emissary doubling of agents.

(1) Is doubling of agents of the same allegiance allowed? (I.E., if I am Arthedain, may I double Dwarf agents?)

(2) If not, then is it allowed to double agents from the other nation of the nation duo controlled by the same player? (I.E., if I am the Fire King, may I double Cloud Lord agents?)

Thanks to any who can definitively clarify these questions.

#2

  1. Not sure, there’s still some debate about doubling of allied nations.

  2. Yes, doubling between partner nations is allowed.

  • Ben
#3

Thanks, Ben.

GB 229 runs again tomorrow. Death to my allies and success to my enemies!

Opps, I mean vice versa.

#4

Yup… I am coming for EVERYONE in Gunboat 229… Now if I only knew where everyone was! <sigh>

Thomas
Gunboat 229 and another one…

#5
  1. Is doubling of agents of the same allegiance allowed? (I.E., if I am Arthedain, may I double Dwarf agents?)

No

(2) If not, then is it allowed to double agents from the other nation of the nation duo controlled by the same player? (I.E., if I am the Fire King, may I double Cloud Lord agents?)

Yes

Clint (GM)

#6

Clint, thanks for that very definitive clarification. Can’t get clearer than “no” and “yes.”

#7

Clint, can you double an agent of your allegiance if your ally knows you are doubling them. An example would be the QA allows the cloud lord to double an agent, that way the cloud lord can take advantage of the double scout as he gets the information from the QA.

#8

The problem there is that your ally doesn’t know that you are going to double his characters, and if he does, someone is cheating.

I don’t think there is any grey area here, you can only double characters of a nation that you’re playing or of an enemy alliegance. You can not double characters on your side that you are not playing.

#9

The other side sucks! My side rules!

  • Ben
    Gunboat 229
#10

Not that I have played a gunboat game yet (too expensive), but it would seem doubling another players characters is one of the best info gatherer’s around! PLus what if "Roy the slayer shows up on my pop center, but I do not know what alligence he is… Now I can take no offensive action against him because I don’t know which side he is on, there by allowing him to assassinate one of my characters???

Don’t like it…

Just my opinion, but you should be able to double anyone…

See ya,
Ken

#11

Correct me if I’m wrong (I don’t believe I am) but any unknown character that shows up on your own pop center can be considered a hostile character, thus allowing you to do offensive actions against.

#12

Zalendar, you are correct (unless I am severely mistaken). My understanding is that unknown characters that show up at your pop centers may be considered hostile and may be dealt with in whatever fashion you deem appropriate.

That addresses Kitirat’s concern about having to determine the allegiance of unknown characters at your pop centers before dealing with them in a hostile manner. Basically, you don’t have to determine their allegiance ahead of dealing with them hostilely.

#13

Hi Zalendar and Nimdraug

I guess this only goes for your starting pop centers ?

People will normally not know who owns a pop if it is new before they move a character here (or even it is there, if it is off-map)

  • Jeppe
#14

No, ANY pop center you own.

  • Ben
    Gunboat 229
#15

Any pc that you own (start or otherwise) that has an unknown character is a viable target for aggressive actions.

Clint (GM)

As a player in GB36 I turned up at the NG pc and got challenged by a NG character… :slight_smile: Forgot to thank you for that Oystein… :slight_smile:

Clint (player)

#16

OK, so doubling an unknown character who shows up on one of your pop centers is allowed.

How about a known character on one of your pop centers? EG if I’m playing the Dark Lieutenants, and Ji Indur shows up at Barad-Dur on turn 2, am I allowed to use Urzahil to double him? Or if a ScoChar shows the nation ID?

#17

Originally posted by Unferth
[b]OK, so doubling an unknown character who shows up on one of your pop centers is allowed.

How about a known character on one of your pop centers? EG if I’m playing the Dark Lieutenants, and Ji Indur shows up at Barad-Dur on turn 2, am I allowed to use Urzahil to double him? Or if a ScoChar shows the nation ID? [/b]

You just answered your own question. Anything goes for any characters on YOUR pop center.

  • Ben
    Gunboat 229
#18

From all the stuff I’ve read he wouldn’t be allowed to double Ji Indur because Ji Indur is a KNOWN character. Only UNKNOWN characters you can do stuff too.

#19

That would make sense, but that’s not what the rules say:

"Players are allowed to take offensive actions against unknown characters
upon their OWN population centres.

No influencing, stealing, cursing etc on or from or to your team (or unknown
characters not at your own PCs)."

So as written, characters known to be on your team are safe regardless of whether they’re on your pop center or not.

Which conflicts with the tone if not the details of the rest of this thread, which is why I want to check.

#20

Its when a ‘known’ character turns up that I find the only problem with Gunboat.

Some people take the dubious honour of naming characters after starting characters that have died in the game. Since you assume someone like Elrond is always a Noldo Elf. If Elrond dies and you do not know about it and an Elrond turns up at your pop centre (and you are playing a Free Nation) You cannot do anything to him until you discover he isn’t the original Elrond which can be troublesome.

Naming characters in 2950 after 1650 characters isn’t as bad… But does confuse me <grin>…

Thomas