Does anyone have ANY idea why Hoarmurath should be a snow leopard or some such? I thought the 9 rings were given to human kings ... not big pussy cats.
Thoughts?
Matthew
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lurking artist here;
the problem with drawing ringwraiths is that they are invisible
(right?) except for what they are wearing. This I.C.E. creature is
described by I.C.E. as;
Hoarmurath: Ice King. C-30, A-20, M-50 (70), St-30, Ch-910 "...a large
and stocky individual..." (Gorgoroth - ICE) Ovir Crown. +20 mage,
Neutral. (50) "His helm resembled the head of Ovir, the great white
Northern Bear." (Gorgoroth - ICE) Snow Hammer. +500 combat, Neutral.
(80) A war mattock forged of Dragon-slaying forged from clear laen and
inlaid with the horn from a drake. (Gorgoroth - ICE) Hue Changer. +500
combat, Neutral. (141) A spear made from dirwood.(Gorgoroth - ICE)
(above from http://www.lakenet.com/~attorney/runestone/servant.htm)
It's hard to make fuzzy cute polar bears look mean, but did I.C.E. take
that into consideration??? Nooooooo, "let's make it a polar bear.... "
: )
p.s. btw, I was one of the vocal people for FTF in Chicago or Minn. I
would be very happy if it were here in Chicago, but couldn't really
participate in the discussion about fee's, etc, since I wouldn't be
playing. Sorry if I contributed to a mis-representation of the whole
thing.........
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Does anyone have ANY idea why Hoarmurath should be a snow leopard or some such? I thought the 9 rings were given to human kings ... not big pussy cats.
Thoughts?
Matthew
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Amelia, a polar bear? Thanks! Sorry to say it looks like a big cat ...
must be the way it was scanned or my bad eyesight!!
Good point about the wraiths being invisible hadn't thought of that....
Matthew
no apology necessary!
1) the scans are so bad it's amazing you can see anything (no
reflection on Harly, they are using the scans that GSI gave them last
millenium)
2) not all of the drawings are mine, so you may not be referring to
mine. Liz Danforth did a lot of the better drawings.
3) deadlines kill creativity. my version of Hoarmurath was not one of
my favorites, but one of the bulk of 350 drawings that HAD to get done.
It would be a good candidate for re-drawing.
I would be curious what the players think about the idea that the
Ringwraiths are invisible except for their garb..... I went with that
assumption when I drew the original batch. Is it justified? What do you
guys think? (my drawings were based on I.C.E. descriptions)
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Matthew Riley" <matthew@m...> wrote:
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Amelia, a polar bear? Thanks! Sorry to say it looks like a big cat ...
must be the way it was scanned or my bad eyesight!!Good point about the wraiths being invisible hadn't thought of that....
Matthew
no apology necessary!
I didn't quite follow the two of you here. Were you saying that you meant it to be a polar bear, or that because it's hard to make one look fierce, you used artistic license and went for a lynx?
Incidentally. In the olden days I once went to a zoo, of the kind where the public could still walk right up close to the iron (jail like) bars. An angry full grown polar bear standing up on his hind legs and roaring is pretty awesome when you are about 4 ft away and less than half his height.
I would be curious what the players think about the idea that the
Ringwraiths are invisible except for their garb..... I went with that
assumption when I drew the original batch. Is it justified? What do you
guys think? (my drawings were based on I.C.E. descriptions)
Well they were also almost immortal, and not liable to be overrun because their troop was too small, or snuffed by a Woodman A50 having a lucky day. You could, I suppose portray them as they had been when they were men, or represent each one with an abstract symbol.
Did some housekeeping on my Middle Earth Web page in the week http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/me.htm and noticed that it could do with some illustration. So I suppose I will have to put biro to beer mat myself soon. Then all other artists such as you good self will at least be able to have a good laugh and be encouraged!
Laurence G. Tilley
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk
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At 09:53 PM 01-03-02, ameliajames2 wrote:
hey there, Amelia here,
the gist of our discussion was that the original scans were so bad
it's hard to tell what you are looking at and that this particular
drawing was not great. I was being sarcastic about the polar bears.
Yes, if it was a better drawing it would have been more powerful and
terrifying, but under a deadline, sometimes schlock happens. The
drawing is supposed to be an invisible person wearing a helm shaped
like a "white northern bear"
my question to the group was whether it was right to draw them as
invisible, so that only their clothes would show. In the time that the
game is being played, 1650 or 2950, would they be invisible? Would it
be okay to depict them as they were? Interesting question..... And I
would be very interested to hear what everyone thinks.
I look forward to seeing your illustrations! I think player drawings
would be much more inspired and potentially extremely cool.
I will try to post the ringwraith drawings on my website so that
people can see what they were supposed to look like. (not that that is
always better than the black smudges : )
http://ajames.home.mindspring.com/
Amelia
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Laurence G. Tilley" <laurence@l...> wrote:
>no apology necessary!
I didn't quite follow the two of you here. Were you saying that you
meant
it to be a polar bear, or that because it's hard to make one look
fierce,
you used artistic license and went for a lynx?
Incidentally. In the olden days I once went to a zoo, of the kind
where
the public could still walk right up close to the iron (jail like)
bars. An angry full grown polar bear standing up on his hind legs
and
roaring is pretty awesome when you are about 4 ft away and less than
half
his height.
>I would be curious what the players think about the idea that the
>Ringwraiths are invisible except for their garb..... I went with
that
>assumption when I drew the original batch. Is it justified? What
do you
>guys think? (my drawings were based on I.C.E. descriptions)
Well they were also almost immortal, and not liable to be overrun
because
their troop was too small, or snuffed by a Woodman A50 having a
lucky
day. You could, I suppose portray them as they had been when they
were
men, or represent each one with an abstract symbol.
Did some housekeeping on my Middle Earth Web page in the week
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/me.htm and noticed that it
could do
with some illustration. So I suppose I will have to put biro to
beer mat
myself soon. Then all other artists such as you good self will at
least be
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At 09:53 PM 01-03-02, ameliajames2 wrote:
able to have a good laugh and be encouraged!Laurence G. Tilley
I would be curious what the players think about the idea that the
Ringwraiths are invisible except for their garb..... I went with that
assumption when I drew the original batch. Is it justified? What do you
guys think? (my drawings were based on I.C.E. descriptions)
RD: Yes, this is absolutely right, the Ringwraiths were invisible (to normal sight). They could only be seen by their black clothing, mounts, weapons and helms (the Lord of the Nazgul ((Murazor)) wore a crown and wielded a mace). He is brilliantly depicted by Angus McBride on the cover of the 2950 rulebook.
Richard.
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I didn't quite follow the two of you here. Were you saying that you meant
it to be a polar bear, or that because it's hard to make one look fierce,
you used artistic license and went for a lynx?
Incidentally. In the olden days I once went to a zoo, of the kind where
the public could still walk right up close to the iron (jail like)
bars. An angry full grown polar bear standing up on his hind legs and
roaring is pretty awesome when you are about 4 ft away and less than half
his height.
Dr Spock: Ach, now much ist beckoming clear! You had zis traumatic experience ven you vos a liddel boy, and it giff you ze inferiority complex. Zis accounts for vy you are so rude to fellow players. You are over-compensating mein friend!
Get back on zat couch I tell you, I am ze doctor here....
I would be curious what the players think about the idea that the
Ringwraiths are invisible except for their garb..... I went with that
assumption when I drew the original batch. Is it justified? What do you
guys think? (my drawings were based on I.C.E. descriptions)
Well they were also almost immortal, and not liable to be overrun because
their troop was too small, or snuffed by a Woodman A50 having a lucky
day. You could, I suppose portray them as they had been when they were
men, or represent each one with an abstract symbol.
RD: No need. They may have been wraiths but they were clothed in black, carried visible weapons and rode visible mounts.
Now I come to think about it, if they were wraiths, why did they were clothes?
The Naked Wraiths would be good name for a heavy metal band
Did some housekeeping on my Middle Earth Web page in the week
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/me.htm and noticed that it could do
with some illustration. So I suppose I will have to put biro to beer mat
myself soon. Then all other artists such as you good self will at least be
able to have a good laugh and be encouraged!
Laurence G. Tilley
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk
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Amelia,
I for one really appreciate the work that you are doing. Keep up the
awesome work!
Chris
hey there, Amelia here,
the gist of our discussion was that the original scans were so bad
it's hard to tell what you are looking at and that this particular
drawing was not great. I was being sarcastic about the polar bears.
Yes, if it was a better drawing it would have been more powerful and
terrifying, but under a deadline, sometimes schlock happens. The
drawing is supposed to be an invisible person wearing a helm shaped
like a "white northern bear"my question to the group was whether it was right to draw them as
invisible, so that only their clothes would show. In the time that the
game is being played, 1650 or 2950, would they be invisible? Would it
be okay to depict them as they were? Interesting question..... And I
would be very interested to hear what everyone thinks.I look forward to seeing your illustrations! I think player drawings
would be much more inspired and potentially extremely cool.I will try to post the ringwraith drawings on my website so that
people can see what they were supposed to look like. (not that that is
always better than the black smudges : )
http://ajames.home.mindspring.com/Amelia
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Laurence G. Tilley" <laurence@l...> wrote:
>no apology necessary!
I didn't quite follow the two of you here. Were you saying that you
meant
it to be a polar bear, or that because it's hard to make one look
fierce,
you used artistic license and went for a lynx?
Incidentally. In the olden days I once went to a zoo, of the kind
where
the public could still walk right up close to the iron (jail like)
bars. An angry full grown polar bear standing up on his hind legsand
roaring is pretty awesome when you are about 4 ft away and less than
half
his height.
>I would be curious what the players think about the idea that the
>Ringwraiths are invisible except for their garb..... I went withthat
>assumption when I drew the original batch. Is it justified? What
do you
>guys think? (my drawings were based on I.C.E. descriptions)
Well they were also almost immortal, and not liable to be overrun
because
their troop was too small, or snuffed by a Woodman A50 having a
lucky
day. You could, I suppose portray them as they had been when they
were
men, or represent each one with an abstract symbol.
Did some housekeeping on my Middle Earth Web page in the week
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/me.htm and noticed that itcould do
with some illustration. So I suppose I will have to put biro to
beer mat
myself soon. Then all other artists such as you good self will at
least be
able to have a good laugh and be encouraged!
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At 05:47 PM 3/2/02 -0000, you wrote:
At 09:53 PM 01-03-02, ameliajames2 wrote:
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Well they were also almost immortal, and not liable to be overrun because
their troop was too small, or snuffed by a Woodman A50 having a lucky
day.
...although a Hobbit having a lucky day (and a magic dagger, 'tis true) seems to be able to handle it.
Richard
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...although a Hobbit having a lucky day (and a magic dagger, 'tis true)
seems to be able to handle it.
<unsnip>
As I remember it from Return of the King Merry's dagger broke somesort of
protective spell that knitted Murazor's will with those invisible sinews of
his -- but it was Eowyn that slew him. But was he really dead? If Sauron
had won the War and got himself more time to play with would he have been
able to restore the Witch King?
Certainly the Nazgul are too easy to kill in Middle Earth, but then you
could probably say the same about the major Elven characters and NPC's like
Saruman and Gandalf. How often have you seen a tasty DS agent cut Gandalf's
throat and make off with his possessions? Seems extremely unlikely to have
happened in Tolkien's world........
As I remember it from Return of the King Merry's dagger broke somesort of
protective spell that knitted Murazor's will with those invisible sinews of
his -- but it was Eowyn that slew him. But was he really dead? If Sauron
had won the War and got himself more time to play with would he have been
able to restore the Witch King?
RD: Would he have bothered? I don't recall Sauron being particularly forgiving towards those who failed him!
Certainly the Nazgul are too easy to kill in Middle Earth, but then you
could probably say the same about the major Elven characters and NPC's like
Saruman and Gandalf. How often have you seen a tasty DS agent cut Gandalf's
throat and make off with his possessions? Seems extremely unlikely to have
happened in Tolkien's world........
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--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Richard Farrer" <richard@r...> wrote:
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Well they were also almost immortal, and not liable to be overrun
because
their troop was too small, or snuffed by a Woodman A50 having a
lucky
day.
...although a Hobbit having a lucky day (and a magic dagger, 'tis
true) seems to be able to handle it.
Richard
A hobbit may with a magic dagger may have gotten his attention but I
believe it was a Rohirrim maid that actually got the job done
Brad
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