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Let's suppose I need timber as soon as possible, but there are no
units available on the market.
If a teammate of mine sells it, can I buy it (order 315)??
Does it apply also to order 310??
In other words: does buy/sell orders happens in sequence (first 310,
then 315, then 320 and so on) or at the same time??
Thx
The answer to your question is YES. The orders are
processed in that order.
If there are no units for you to buy then you can't
buy any since the supply that your ally will be
selling won't become available until at least order
320. I hope that helps.
John
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--- mongo1973it <robertoalidori@libero.it> wrote:
Let's suppose I need timber as soon as possible, but
there are no
units available on the market.
If a teammate of mine sells it, can I buy it (order
315)??
Does it apply also to order 310??In other words: does buy/sell orders happens in
sequence (first 310,
then 315, then 320 and so on) or at the same time??Thx
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If you need it, and your team mate has it, why not simply arrange a transfer between the two of you? You save an order and there's no risk that an enemy will get their buy order processed before yours and thus nab that valuable timber.
Gavin
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On 20 Jul 2005, at 13:59, mongo1973it wrote:
Let's suppose I need timber as soon as possible, but there are no
units available on the market.
If a teammate of mine sells it, can I buy it (order 315)??
Does it apply also to order 310??In other words: does buy/sell orders happens in sequence (first 310,
then 315, then 320 and so on) or at the same time??Thx
The long-time working theory here is "no" you can only buy what's
available at the time of the 310/315 order. Among many other reasons,
if this were not the case, buyouts could not be "spiked" (teams would
just "overbuy").
As for "saving an order" - that's not necessarily true. Unless all of
the product is in one pc, the tranferring nation would have to 947
_then_ 948. In that case, it'd be the same number of orders for the
team (instead of one nation buying and one selling you have one nation
doing 2 orders), but that nation may not have 2 orders (and the 947 has
to be from the cap - the 948 has to be from either the cap or the pc
where it's consolidated during the 947 order).
There's also the "transaction costs" to think of. Even if you could
sell in the 320/325 and buy those units in the 310/315, the difference
in cost is likely to be more than the 9% lost in transfer (tho' of
course if there's a 947 then a 948, there's double transfer costs ... so
this gets more complicated to figure out ... but the point is that
there's usually a substantial "spread" on the buy and sell prices in the
market - you'd have to absorb that cost as well if you tried to use the
market as the "means of delivery" - which you can't do anyway!).
Hth.
b
Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote:
If you need it, and your team mate has it, why not simply arrange a
transfer between the two of you? You save an order and there's no
risk that an enemy will get their buy order processed before yours
and thus nab that valuable timber.Gavin
Let's suppose I need timber as soon as possible, but there are no
units available on the market.
If a teammate of mine sells it, can I buy it (order 315)??
Does it apply also to order 310??In other words: does buy/sell orders happens in sequence (first 310,
then 315, then 320 and so on) or at the same time??Thx
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On 20 Jul 2005, at 13:59, mongo1973it wrote:
A famous Brit ME player once insisted to me that a named British GM told him that buys and sells were pooled and you could indeed buy things that were being sold that turn. I am a skeptic.
Computers are stupid and proceed in sequence. Before Harley assumed this game, back in the GSI days, I tested that possibility several times and it was not factual THEN. I have not tested it recently. It was my practice to test something every game, say threatening camps with commaders sans army, just to find out where the boundries were. If you CAN pool products NOW then it has been changed.
Harley has stated several times in public that no source code changes will be made. I'm sure they are aware of the hazards of untruths to their customers. Stassun and Feilds just kept their mouths shut. Hence, I disbeleive the pooling claim.
Ed Mills
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From: "Benjamin M. Shushan" <bshushan@earthlink.net>
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To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Market question
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:14:39 -0400The long-time working theory here is "no" you can only buy what's
available at the time of the 310/315 order. Among many other reasons,
if this were not the case, buyouts could not be "spiked" (teams would
just "overbuy").As for "saving an order" - that's not necessarily true. Unless all of
the product is in one pc, the tranferring nation would have to 947
_then_ 948. In that case, it'd be the same number of orders for the
team (instead of one nation buying and one selling you have one nation
doing 2 orders), but that nation may not have 2 orders (and the 947 has
to be from the cap - the 948 has to be from either the cap or the pc
where it's consolidated during the 947 order).There's also the "transaction costs" to think of. Even if you could
sell in the 320/325 and buy those units in the 310/315, the difference
in cost is likely to be more than the 9% lost in transfer (tho' of
course if there's a 947 then a 948, there's double transfer costs ... so
this gets more complicated to figure out ... but the point is that
there's usually a substantial "spread" on the buy and sell prices in the
market - you'd have to absorb that cost as well if you tried to use the
market as the "means of delivery" - which you can't do anyway!).Hth.
b
Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote:
>If you need it, and your team mate has it, why not simply arrange a
>transfer between the two of you? You save an order and there's no
>risk that an enemy will get their buy order processed before yours
>and thus nab that valuable timber.
>
>Gavin
>
>On 20 Jul 2005, at 13:59, mongo1973it wrote:
>
>>Let's suppose I need timber as soon as possible, but there are no
>>units available on the market.
>>If a teammate of mine sells it, can I buy it (order 315)??
>>Does it apply also to order 310??
>>
>>In other words: does buy/sell orders happens in sequence (first 310,
>>then 315, then 320 and so on) or at the same time??
>>
>>Thx
>>
>
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I never said it wouldn't take a bit of planning... <g>
Gavin
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On 20 Jul 2005, at 19:14, Benjamin M. Shushan wrote:
The long-time working theory here is "no" you can only buy what's
available at the time of the 310/315 order. Among many other reasons,
if this were not the case, buyouts could not be "spiked" (teams would
just "overbuy").As for "saving an order" - that's not necessarily true. Unless all of
the product is in one pc, the tranferring nation would have to 947
_then_ 948. In that case, it'd be the same number of orders for the
team (instead of one nation buying and one selling you have one nation
doing 2 orders), but that nation may not have 2 orders (and the 947 has
to be from the cap - the 948 has to be from either the cap or the pc
where it's consolidated during the 947 order).There's also the "transaction costs" to think of. Even if you could
sell in the 320/325 and buy those units in the 310/315, the difference
in cost is likely to be more than the 9% lost in transfer (tho' of
course if there's a 947 then a 948, there's double transfer costs ... so
this gets more complicated to figure out ... but the point is that
there's usually a substantial "spread" on the buy and sell prices in the
market - you'd have to absorb that cost as well if you tried to use the
market as the "means of delivery" - which you can't do anyway!).Hth.
b
Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote:
If you need it, and your team mate has it, why not simply arrange a
transfer between the two of you? You save an order and there's no
risk that an enemy will get their buy order processed before yours
and thus nab that valuable timber.Gavin
On 20 Jul 2005, at 13:59, mongo1973it wrote:
Let's suppose I need timber as soon as possible, but there are no
units available on the market.
If a teammate of mine sells it, can I buy it (order 315)??
Does it apply also to order 310??In other words: does buy/sell orders happens in sequence (first 310,
then 315, then 320 and so on) or at the same time??Thx
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The market orders are definitely processed numerically -- 310s first, then 315s, then 320s, then 325s. Believe me, I once tried to buy just a little food for one of my armies, forgetting that there was none on the market, and I got none, even though a lot of nations including my own were selling food. I got 0 food with my buy order, but the turn resulted in there being something like 100000 food on the market after sales. I have also seen players try to bid on leather when there was only a little leather available -- they got what was available, no more, while again other nations were selling leather. I have never seen anyone be able to buy goods that were not there, except perhaps for tiny amounts of extra goods which have been theorized to be "natural market fluctuations". It seems that very small amounts of good may appear or disappear on the market before buys and sells, without those good coming from players. (And occasionally, often around the changes of the seasons, very large amounts of food and sometimes other organics seem to disappear from the market without being bought by players...)
Of course you CAN buy stuff that a teammate has sold to the market -- you just have to wait until the following turn! And if you both have the 20% buy/sell SNA that can even be more cost-effective than 947/948 orders. But you do allow other nations a shot at buying the stuff too -- in order to be fairly assured of getting first crack at it you would have to bid.
The biggest advantage of 947/948 is that nobody else gets a crack at it -- but the big disadvantage is that the product doesn't arrive until the end of the turn so you cannot use it until the following turn. The same is essentially true of stuff your allies are selling and you are buying, since you can only buy from what is on the market to start with. Many times I have had players offer to buy directly from me something I was selling to the markets, at a price in between the two market prices -- and sometimes it would be profitable for both sides even after the 10% caravan tithes for each 947 or 948 order are taken out. But often, I am selling stuff because I need the gold THAT turn -- gold arriving in my treasury at order 948 doesn't help me pay for maintenance, or for 550 orders, or pretty much anything that costs gold except, perhaps, for relocating my capital -- a pretty rare occasion indeed! I'm much more likely to have my capital relocated "for free"... 
-- Ernie III
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From: Gavin Wynford-Jones <gavinwj@wanadoo.fr>
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:50:37 +0200
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Market question
I never said it wouldn't take a bit of planning... <g>
Gavin
On 20 Jul 2005, at 19:14, Benjamin M. Shushan wrote:
The long-time working theory here is "no" you can only buy what's
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The recent bits in 'Bree' on the Kin Strife were most interesting. I can see that it would make a good basis for a new module. I would be a happy man if it works out. Frankly, the variant that Harley considers the 'standard' game is getting a bit thin. Less flexible and challenging than the now defunt 'classical' game run by GSI.
My expections are low, however, for several reasons. Unprincipled cunning is not well received in Cardiff and I suspect they are either incapable of it or not very good at that level. Then their track record is spotty when it comes to the 'law of unanticipated consequences". I have some questions about their imaginative creativity. Still, I will be happy to eat crow and will the module a fair chance.
Ed Mills