JO update ME

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#1

Hi Clint

A couple of minor points: could we have Map Options defaulting to “current” instead of just one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?

David

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On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 “ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]” mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

JO 1.16.13 is live… updates and windows installer live.

  • Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
  • Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
  • Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
  • Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
  • QA: updates and Windows installer now built in ‘the cloud’ by
    Appveyor for consistency.

For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.

https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version

(There’s a potential gremlin with slower computers related to
internal updates between windows silently crashing)

Clint

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#2

To add on,

Info from Palantir scries not reliably transferring to JO> Sometimes the info is incomplete e.g. the commander or army size may show up but not the other, sometimes all info is completely missing. Sometimes it works fine.

I may have had the same problem with Recon/Srcy Area (not recently enough that I can recall), but the Palantir info issue is definitely an ongoing problem.

Arty-info-gathering functionality is there, but doesn’t compile/track all available info (“Game Arties” tab). I suspect this is a medium-term coding project, but it has always been an issue (shame to see it there, but not usable – this may be more of an issue in modules with “randomized” arties…).

That’s all I’ve got ATM that hasn’t already been mentioned.

HTH

b

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From: e-mail dazedandconfused dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk [mepbmlist]
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 01:10
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] JO update ME

Hi Clint

A couple of minor points: could we have Map Options defaulting to “current” instead of just one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?

David

On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 “ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]” mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

JO 1.16.13 is live… updates and windows installer live.

  • Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
  • Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
  • Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
  • Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
  • QA: updates and Windows installer now built in ‘the cloud’ by
    Appveyor for consistency.

For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.

https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version

(There’s a potential gremlin with slower computers related to
internal updates between windows silently crashing)

Clint

Middle Earth Games

Website: http://www.middleearthgames.comwww.middleearthgames.com

Email: mailto:me@middleearthgames.comme@middleearthgames.com

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#3

Hey, if we are asking for stuff, I would like the “current
directory” to apply to savings files, not just importing results and
loading files.

Also when I import, why are there always errors listed?

Jeremy

···

At 07:45 AM 12/4/2018, you wrote:

To add on,

Info from Palantir scries not reliably transferring to JO>Â
Sometimes the info is incomplete e.g. the commander or army size may show
up but not the other, sometimes all info is completely missing.Â
Sometimes it works fine.

I may have had the same problem with Recon/Srcy Area (not
recently enough that I can recall), but the Palantir info issue is
definitely an ongoing problem.

Arty-info-gathering functionality is there, but doesn’t compile/track
all available info (“Game Arties” tab). I suspect this is a
medium-term coding project, but it has always been an issue (shame to see
it there, but not usable – this may be more of an issue in moodules with
“randomized” arties…).

That’s all I’ve got ATM that hasn’t already been
mentioned.

HTH

b

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To:
mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] JO update ME

Hi Clint

A couple of minor points: could we have Map Options defaulting to
“current” instead of just one nation and could we have the
Clear Map Items icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker
and other stuff?

David

On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 “ME Games Ltd > me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]” > mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

JO 1.16.13 is live… updates and windows installer live.

  • Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
  • Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
  • Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the
    field.
  • Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
  • QA: updates and Windows installer now built in ‘the cloud’ by
    Appveyor for consistency.

For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware

that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend

feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.


https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version

(There’s a potential gremlin with slower computers related to
internal updates between windows silently crashing)

Clint

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<
http://www.middleearthgames.com


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#4

Hi Clint

A couple of minor points: could we have Map Options defaulting to "current" instead of just one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?

Okay noted, the first I'll check on what's what, the second I won't be implementing as it clutters the screen for new players.

Clint

David

JO 1.16.13 is live... updates and windows installer live.
* Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
* Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
* Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
* Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
* QA: updates and Windows installer now built in 'the cloud' by
Appveyor for consistency.

For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.

https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version

(There's a potential gremlin with slower computers related to
internal updates between windows silently crashing)

Clint

Middle Earth Games

Website: <http://www.middleearthgames.com>www.middleearthgames.com

Email: <mailto:me@middleearthgames.com>me@middleearthgames.com

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At 07:09 04/12/2018, you wrote:

On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 "ME Games Ltd >>me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]" <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

#5

Hey, if we are asking for stuff, I would like the "current directory" to apply to savings files, not just importing results and loading files.

Sorry I'm not clear when you save your game it saves to where JO is - the beuaty of this is that you can have all your games in one directory so that when you open JO it shows all your current games.

Also when I import, why are there always errors listed?

Because we used to read from the PDF and now we don't it's on the list of things but for now it's an error checking device our end.

Clint

Jeremy

To add on,

Info from Palantir scries not reliably transferring to JO> Sometimes the info is incomplete e.g. the commander or army size may show up but not the other, sometimes all info is completely missing. Sometimes it works fine.

I _may_ have had the same problem with Recon/Srcy Area (not recently enough that I can recall), but the Palantir info issue is definitely an ongoing problem.

Arty-info-gathering functionality is there, but doesn’t compile/track all available info (“Game Arties” tab). I suspect this is a medium-term coding project, but it has always been an issue (shame to see it there, but not usable – this may be more of an issue in moodules with “randomized” arties…).

That’s all I’ve got ATM that hasn’t already been mentioned.

HTH

b

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Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 01:10
To: <mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] JO update ME

Hi Clint

A couple of minor points: could we have Map Options defaulting to "current" instead of just one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?

David

JO 1.16.13 is live... updates and windows installer live.
* Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
* Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
* Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
* Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
* QA: updates and Windows installer now built in 'the cloud' by
Appveyor for consistency.
For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.

https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version

(There's a potential gremlin with slower computers related to
internal updates between windows silently crashing)
Clint
Middle Earth Games
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Email: < mailto:me@middleearthgames.com>me@middleearthgames.com
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At 15:35 04/12/2018, you wrote:

At 07:45 AM 12/4/2018, you wrote:

On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 "ME Games Ltd >>me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]" <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

#6

Info from Palantir scries not reliably transferring to JO> Sometimes the info is incomplete e.g. the commander or army size may show up but not the other, sometimes all info is completely missing. Sometimes it works fine.

Yep we're aware, it's a process of getting all the info from the XML into a format that JO reads and then can show to users. So 3(4) stages to organise any single item that a player wants; it is there in the original database, then gets into the XML, then JO reads then portrayed.

Just as a note for those curious, our current projects are

1) CME testing, coding and fixing
2) JO coding, testing and fixing
3) Internal code running the games, updating that. (For those of the questioning mind - it's not changing the code!)
4) Vegas baby Ftt event in Vegas at end of June
5) Newsletter/player bits
6) Marketing and new players
7) Another project
8) KS balancing and FAS updates. I do really, really, really want to tweak 1650 as well but I'm not atm. 2950 I'd like to truncate the map and lose 2 neutrals and 4 nations per side (probably NW) but I've not got the time to address that.
9) New code - Player stuff, new SNAs, new encounters, (including an encounter system for players and GMs to use).
10) This is my part time job
11) Tidy office - the last Mac is gone, it's gone buddy, it's dead. So all the lovely leads and such no longer need to be there. :slight_smile: I've got around 5 Macs stored away and no you can't have it. :slight_smile:
12) New code - GM stuff - Gmail issue, encounter checking, simplification of set-up process. etc.

So if you go, oh my they've still not fixed that, be aware that it is one item on the list.. .:slight_smile:

Arty-info-gathering functionality is there, but doesn’t compile/track all available info (“Game Arties” tab). I suspect this is a medium-term coding project, but it has always been an issue (shame to see it there, but not usable – this may be more of an issue in moodules with “randomized” arties…).

Yep we're aware, it's something I'd like so that I can ditch the XLS! :slight_smile:

Clint

Middle Earth Games

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Email: <mailto:me@middleearthgames.com>me@middleearthgames.com

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#7

Ack! I don't like having them all in one place, I like each in its own directory with the other files for that game. Which works ok, once I've found the right directory and loaded the game, when I go to import, JO knows which directory I opened the game in, so its' easy to find the latest turn directory. But when I go to save, it defaults to whatever the directory was the last time I saved -- not the last time I loaded.

Jeremy

···

At 10:58 AM 12/4/2018, you wrote:

At 15:35 04/12/2018, you wrote:
>
>Hey, if we are asking for stuff, I would like
>the "current directory" to apply to savings
>files, not just importing results and loading files.

Sorry I'm not clear when you save your game it
saves to where JO is - the beuaty of this is that
you can have all your games in one directory so
that when you open JO it shows all your current games.

#8

Yes that's by design, for the reasons I gave, you can always move the game file.

Clint

>
> >
> >Hey, if we are asking for stuff, I would like
> >the "current directory" to apply to savings
> >files, not just importing results and loading files.
>
>Sorry I'm not clear when you save your game it
>saves to where JO is - the beuaty of this is that
>you can have all your games in one directory so
>that when you open JO it shows all your current games.

Ack! I don't like having them all in one place, I like each in its
own directory with the other files for that game. Which works ok,
once I've found the right directory and loaded the game, when I go to
import, JO knows which directory I opened the game in, so its' easy
to find the latest turn directory. But when I go to save, it
defaults to whatever the directory was the last time I saved -- not
the last time I loaded.

Jeremy

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At 10:58 AM 12/4/2018, you wrote:
>At 15:35 04/12/2018, you wrote:

#9

That feature is fine, IMHO... but it’s not working. When you go from one game and try to directly load another game, the characters in the “Orders” tab don’t change. You have to exit and restart JO.

Whoever talked about saving each JO file to their game-specific directory had it right. A tiny bit of time but keeps everything organized and avoids serious problems (as in losing a JO file and having to recreate the entire game).

HTH

b

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On Dec 4, 2018, at 10:27 AM, Jeremy Richman jeremyrichman@comcast.net [mepbmlist] <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

At 10:58 AM 12/4/2018, you wrote:

At 15:35 04/12/2018, you wrote:

Hey, if we are asking for stuff, I would like
the "current directory" to apply to savings
files, not just importing results and loading files.

Sorry I'm not clear when you save your game it
saves to where JO is - the beuaty of this is that
you can have all your games in one directory so
that when you open JO it shows all your current games.

Ack! I don't like having them all in one place, I like each in its
own directory with the other files for that game. Which works ok,
once I've found the right directory and loaded the game, when I go to
import, JO knows which directory I opened the game in, so its' easy
to find the latest turn directory. But when I go to save, it
defaults to whatever the directory was the last time I saved -- not
the last time I loaded.

Jeremy

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#10

What a bunch of weak-ass shyte.

Quit that other job - I’m sure this one pays better! :smirk:

b

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On Dec 4, 2018, at 10:10 AM, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Info from Palantir scries not reliably
transferring to JO>Â Sometimes the info is
incomplete e.g. the commander or army size may
show up but not the other, sometimes all info is
completely missing. Sometimes it works fine.

Yep we're aware, it's a process of getting all
the info from the XML into a format that JO reads
and then can show to users. So 3(4) stages to
organise any single item that a player wants; it
is there in the original database, then gets into
the XML, then JO reads then portrayed.

Just as a note for those curious, our current projects are

1) CME testing, coding and fixing
2) JO coding, testing and fixing
3) Internal code running the games, updating
that. (For those of the questioning mind - it's not changing the code!)
4) Vegas baby Ftt event in Vegas at end of June
5) Newsletter/player bits
6) Marketing and new players
7) Another project
8) KS balancing and FAS updates. I do really,
really, really want to tweak 1650 as well but I'm
not atm. 2950 I'd like to truncate the map and
lose 2 neutrals and 4 nations per side (probably
NW) but I've not got the time to address that.
9) New code - Player stuff, new SNAs, new
encounters, (including an encounter system for players and GMs to use).
10) This is my part time job
11) Tidy office - the last Mac is gone, it's gone
buddy, it's dead. So all the lovely leads and
such no longer need to be there. :slight_smile: I've got
around 5 Macs stored away and no you can't have it. :slight_smile:
12) New code - GM stuff - Gmail issue, encounter
checking, simplification of set-up process. etc.

So if you go, oh my they've still not fixed that,
be aware that it is one item on the list.. .:slight_smile:

Arty-info-gathering functionality is there, but
doesn’t compile/track all available info
(“Game Arties” tab). I suspect this is a
medium-term coding project, but it has always
been an issue (shame to see it there, but not
usable – this may be more of an issue in
moodules with “randomized” arties…).

Yep we're aware, it's something I'd like so that I can ditch the XLS! :slight_smile:

Clint

Middle Earth Games

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#11

I used to think the same way, but I’ve resigned myself to store all my game JO data files [gamexxx.jov] in one directory, but still keep everything else rigorously segregated into sub-directories by game and turn. Works well, as the default location for saving points to the one directory of game data files, while the import orders and export orders default to the sub-directory trees I’ve set up.

Hey, if we are asking for stuff, I would like

the “current directory” to apply to savings

files, not just importing results and loading files.

Sorry I’m not clear when you save your game it

saves to where JO is - the beuaty of this is that

you can have all your games in one directory so

that when you open JO it shows all your current games.

Ack! I don’t like having them all in one place, I like each in its

own directory with the other files for that game. Which works ok,

once I’ve found the right directory and loaded the game, when I go to

import, JO knows which directory I opened the game in, so its’ easy

to find the latest turn directory. But when I go to save, it

defaults to whatever the directory was the last time I saved – not

the last time I loaded.

Jeremy

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#12

I know you’ve already replied Clint but I second David’s motion. The ‘clear map icons’ button has to be the single most used button imo… surely it’s more confusing for new players trying to figure out how to clear their map hunting in the drop down menus!

Drew

Hi Clint

A couple of minor points: could we have Map
Options defaulting to “current” instead of just
one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items
icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?

Okay noted, the first I’ll check on what’s what,
the second I won’t be implementing as it clutters the screen for new players.

Clint

David

JO 1.16.13 is live… updates and windows installer live.

  • Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
  • Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
  • Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
  • Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
  • QA: updates and Windows installer now built in ‘the cloud’ by
    Appveyor for consistency.

For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.

https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version

(There’s a potential gremlin with slower computers related to
internal updates between windows silently crashing)

Clint

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Okay any opinions guys? If it's something players will want and use a lot (I use infrequently) then it's something for me to look at how we highlight it

C

I know you've already replied Clint but I second David's motion. The 'clear map icons' button has to be the single most used button imo... surely it's *more* confusing for new players trying to figure out how to clear their map hunting in the drop down menus!
Drew

>
>Hi Clint
>
>A couple of minor points: could we have Map
>Options defaulting to "current" instead of just
>one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items
>icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?

Okay noted, the first I'll check on what's what,
the second I won't be implementing as it clutters the screen for new players.

Clint

>David
>>
>>JO 1.16.13 is live... updates and windows installer live.
>>* Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
>>* Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
>>* Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
>>* Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
>>* QA: updates and Windows installer now built in 'the cloud' by
>>Appveyor for consistency.
>>
>>For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
>>that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
>>feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.
>>
>><https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/T roubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version>https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version
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At 17:33 04/12/2018, you wrote:

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>>On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 "ME Games Ltd > >><mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.com>me@MiddleEarth > Games.com [mepbmlist]" <<ma > ilto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

#14

That's a different issue, try not to confuse the issue. We're aware of it and I think the new JO fixes it

C

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At 16:45 04/12/2018, you wrote:

That feature is fine, IMHO... but it’s not working. When you go from one game and try to directly load another game, the characters in the “Orders” tab don’t change. You have to exit and restart JO.

#15

What a bunch of weak-ass shyte.

Not all about the money... :slight_smile: Sometimes it's about the lovely people :slight_smile:

Quit that other job - I’m sure this one pays better! 😏

b
> 10) This is my part time job

I have a few other jobs btw... :slight_smile:

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#16

Current should be the default map and Clear should be a single click button. If such things confuse people, IMO they can either get motivated to learn 'Wow~! Look at all this stuff~!" or there is no helping them - so leave the rest of us our toys~!

Clear Map - we draw our allies orders to help analyze them. We draw Emissary movement to confirm there are no conflicts. We draw the Hex View thing to see what hexes we’ve never mapped later in the game to use our Palantiri to fill in the off-map areas, etc. We then have to clear them to move onto the next item…

Cheers,

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On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 12:52 PM ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Okay any opinions guys? If it’s something
players will want and use a lot (I use
infrequently) then it’s something for me to look at how we highlight it

C

At 17:33 04/12/2018, you wrote:

I know you’ve already replied Clint but I second
David’s motion. The ‘clear map icons’ button
has to be the single most used button imo…
surely it’s more confusing for new players
trying to figure out how to clear their map hunting in the drop down menus!
Drew

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, 9:58:05 AM CST, ME > >Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] > >mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

At 07:09 04/12/2018, you wrote:

Hi Clint

A couple of minor points: could we have Map
Options defaulting to “current” instead of just
one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items
icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?

Okay noted, the first I’ll check on what’s what,
the second I won’t be implementing as it clutters the screen for new players.

Clint

David

On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 “ME Games Ltd > > >>mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.comme@MiddleEarth > > Games.com [mepbmlist]” < > ilto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

JO 1.16.13 is live… updates and windows installer live.

  • Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
  • Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
  • Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
  • Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
  • QA: updates and Windows installer now built in ‘the cloud’ by
    Appveyor for consistency.

For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.

<https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/T
roubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version>https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version

(There’s a potential gremlin with slower computers related to
internal updates between windows silently crashing)

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#17

Hi Clint

Just to reinforce the point; I must use the Clear Map Icons button at least 20 times every time I load up JO. As an example, I regularly check how far a character can move and I then need to clear that before checking another one.

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Current should be the default map and Clear should be a single click button. If such things confuse people, IMO they can either get motivated to learn 'Wow~! Look at all this stuff~!" or there is no helping them - so leave the rest of us our toys~!

Clear Map - we draw our allies orders to help analyze them. We draw Emissary movement to confirm there are no conflicts. We draw the Hex View thing to see what hexes we’ve never mapped later in the game to use our Palantiri to fill in the off-map areas, etc. We then have to clear them to move onto the next item…

Cheers,

Brad

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 12:52 PM ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Okay any opinions guys? If it’s something
players will want and use a lot (I use
infrequently) then it’s something for me to look at how we highlight it

C

At 17:33 04/12/2018, you wrote:

I know you’ve already replied Clint but I second
David’s motion. The ‘clear map icons’ button
has to be the single most used button imo…
surely it’s more confusing for new players
trying to figure out how to clear their map hunting in the drop down menus!
Drew

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, 9:58:05 AM CST, ME > >Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] > >mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

At 07:09 04/12/2018, you wrote:

Hi Clint

A couple of minor points: could we have Map
Options defaulting to “current” instead of just
one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items
icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?

Okay noted, the first I’ll check on what’s what,
the second I won’t be implementing as it clutters the screen for new players.

Clint

David

On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 “ME Games Ltd > > >>mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.comme@MiddleEarth > > Games.com [mepbmlist]” < > ilto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

JO 1.16.13 is live… updates and windows installer live.

  • Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
  • Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
  • Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
  • Enh: Colours for CME updates for accessibility.
  • QA: updates and Windows installer now built in ‘the cloud’ by
    Appveyor for consistency.

For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.

<https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/T
roubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version>https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version

(There’s a potential gremlin with slower computers related to
internal updates between windows silently crashing)

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#18

You know you can untick the selection right? So I often put army moves on then, untick them later. I get how players use the clear map function and when it all gets a bit cluttered I agree it's nice to have just clear the stuff away. I don't want it on the menu bar so get back to me where you'd like it and it's clear for new users what it is.

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Hi Clint

Just to reinforce the point; I must use the Clear Map Icons button at least 20 times every time I load up JO. As an example, I regularly check how far a character can move and I then need to clear that before checking another one.

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Current should be the default map and Clear should be a single click button. If such things confuse people, IMO they can either get motivated to learn 'Wow~! Look at all this stuff~!" or there is no helping them - so leave the rest of us our toys~!

Clear Map - we draw our allies orders to help analyze them. We draw Emissary movement to confirm there are no conflicts. We draw the Hex View thing to see what hexes we've never mapped later in the game to use our Palantiri to fill in the off-map areas, etc. We then have to clear them to move onto the next item...

Cheers,

Brad

Okay any opinions guys? If it's something
players will want and use a lot (I use
infrequently) then it's something for me to look at how we highlight it

C

>
>I know you've alrea dy replied Clint but I second
>David's motion. The 'clear map icons' button
>has to be the single most used button imo...
>surely it's *more* confusing for new players
>trying to figure out how to clear their map hunting in the drop down menus!
>Drew
>
> >
> >Hi Clint
> >
> >A couple of minor points: could we have Map
> >Options defaulting to "current" instead of just
> >one nation and could we have the Clear Map Items
> >icon back on the bar at the top next to the Order Checker and other stuff?
>
>Okay noted, the first I'll check on what's what,
>the second I w on't be implementing as it clutters the screen for new players.
>
>Clint
>
> >David
> >>On 04 December 2018 at 02:08 "ME Games Ltd
> >><mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.com>me@MiddleEarth
> Games.com [mepbmlist]" <<ma
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> >>
> >>JO 1.16.13 is live... updates and windows installer live.
> >>* Fix: Orderchecker incorrectly reporting duplicate skill order.
> >>* Fix: silent exception stopping New Game dialog closing.
> >>* Enh: Gather Support Data Command added to aid debugging in the field.
> >>* Enh: Colours for CME updates for acce ssibility.
> >>* QA: updates and Windows installer now built in 'the cloud' by
> >>Appveyor for consistency.
> >>
> >>For those still stuck, you can use an old version of JO but be aware
> >>that as time goes on they will become less compatible. I recommend
> >>feeding back any issues so that we can fix them.
> >>
> >><<https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wik i/T>https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/T
> roubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version><https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version>https://github.com/JOverseer/joverseer/wiki/Troubleshooting-JOverseer#i-want-to-revert-to-an-older-version
> >>
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> >>internal updates between w indows silently crashing)
> >>
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On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 12:52 PM ME Games Ltd >me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
At 17:33 04/12/2018, you wrote:
>On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, 9:58:05 AM CST, ME > >Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] > ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>At 07:09 04/12/2018, you wrote: