KS changes

We're testing out the following changes to make it simpler to get a feel for your nation design and where you want to take it. Most are on theme, some are for game balance, but basically it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar
Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points
Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun
Radagast
Saruman
Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took
Goldberry
Tom Bombadil
Gandalf
Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan
Feamirie
Sulkano
Losspindel
Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron
The Blue Wizard (already)
Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.
Hoarmurath (already)
Khamul (already)
Lhachglin
Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab
Fha-Korlash
Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil
Ji Indur
Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw
Khamul
Ren the Unclean
The Blue Wizard
Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil
Barrow Wight
Bert
Tom
William
Felagrod
Hoarmurath
Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan
Orodreth
The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod
Istar Luin
Turukulon

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Do you have new nation setup sheets incorporating these changes? Or should new nation submissions still be created via the existing templates?

b

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From: ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05 AM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mepbmlist] KS changes

We’re testing out the following changes to make

it simpler to get a feel for your nation design

and where you want to take it. Most are on

theme, some are for game balance, but basically

it’s a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we’re one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar

Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points

Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points

Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun

Radagast

Saruman

Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took

Goldberry

Tom Bombadil

Gandalf

Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan

Feamirie

Sulkano

Losspindel

Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron

The Blue Wizard (already)

Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.

Hoarmurath (already)

Khamul (already)

Lhachglin

Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab

Fha-Korlash

Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil

Ji Indur

Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw

Khamul

Ren the Unclean

The Blue Wizard

Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil

Barrow Wight

Bert

Tom

William

Felagrod

Hoarmurath

Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan

Orodreth

The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod

Istar Luin

Turukulon

Middle Earth Games Ltd

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Yes, but they're not up atm, will be shortly.

Clint

Do you have new nation setup sheets incorporating these changes? Or should new nation submissions still be created via the existing templates?

b

From: <mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05 AM
To: <mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mepbmlist] KS changes

We're testing out the following changes to make

it simpler to get a feel for your nation design

and where you want to take it. Most are on

theme, some are for game balance, but basically

it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar

Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points

Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points

Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun

Radagast

Saruman

Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took

Goldberry

Tom Bombadil

Gandalf

Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan

Feamirie

Sulkano

Losspindel

Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron

The Blue Wizard (already)

Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.

Hoarmurath (already)

Khamul (already)

Lhachglin

Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab

Fha-Korlash

Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil

Ji Indur

Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw

Khamul

Ren the Unclean

The Blue Wizard

Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil

Barrow Wight

Bert

Tom

William

Felagrod

Hoarmurath

Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan

Orodreth

The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod

Istar Luin

Turukulon

Middle Earth Games Ltd

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At 16:55 28/10/2017, you wrote:

I suspect I’ll be in the minority, but I don’t like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn’t be too easy to get. I could see lowering the up front cost of finding some more SNAs for that particular game for nation matching planning, but I really like the existing hard choices on spending setup points to find locations (and starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs everything else there is to be had in setup. Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes those of us who plan long term for the spells, recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC recruitment. If it’s truly for game balance, I can’t hardly argue against that, but is it though?

Drew

···

On Saturday, October 28, 2017, 11:06:04 AM CDT, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

We’re testing out the following changes to make

it simpler to get a feel for your nation design

and where you want to take it. Most are on

theme, some are for game balance, but basically

it’s a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we’re one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar

Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points

Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points

Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun

Radagast

Saruman

Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took

Goldberry

Tom Bombadil

Gandalf

Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan

Feamirie

Sulkano

Losspindel

Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron

The Blue Wizard (already)

Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.

Hoarmurath (already)

Khamul (already)

Lhachglin

Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab

Fha-Korlash

Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil

Ji Indur

Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw

Khamul

Ren the Unclean

The Blue Wizard

Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil

Barrow Wight

Bert

Tom

William

Felagrod

Hoarmurath

Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan

Orodreth

The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod

Istar Luin

Turukulon

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I second Drew.

I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the NPCs. If they just become regular part of the setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.

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On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun drukarzun@yahoo.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I suspect I’ll be in the minority, but I don’t like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn’t be too easy to get. I could see lowering the up front cost of finding some more SNAs for that particular game for nation matching planning, but I really like the existing hard choices on spending setup points to find locations (and starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs everything else there is to be had in setup. Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes those of us who plan long term for the spells, recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC recruitment. If it’s truly for game balance, I can’t hardly argue against that, but is it though?

Drew

On Saturday, October 28, 2017, 11:06:04 AM CDT, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

We’re testing out the following changes to make

it simpler to get a feel for your nation design

and where you want to take it. Most are on

theme, some are for game balance, but basically

it’s a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we’re one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar

Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points

Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points

Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun

Radagast

Saruman

Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took

Goldberry

Tom Bombadil

Gandalf

Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan

Feamirie

Sulkano

Losspindel

Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron

The Blue Wizard (already)

Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.

Hoarmurath (already)

Khamul (already)

Lhachglin

Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab

Fha-Korlash

Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil

Ji Indur

Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw

Khamul

Ren the Unclean

The Blue Wizard

Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil

Barrow Wight

Bert

Tom

William

Felagrod

Hoarmurath

Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan

Orodreth

The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod

Istar Luin

Turukulon

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I would have to agree with the 2 other gentlemen. Making it harder for the Usurpers to get, say Ji Indur, would make it more balanced. IMHO

In a message dated 10/29/2017 3:57:31 PM Central Standard Time, mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com writes:

···

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun drukarzun@yahoo.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I suspect I’ll be in the minority, but I don’t like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn’t be too easy to get. I could see lowering the up front cost of finding some more SNAs for that particular game for nation matching planning, but I really like the existing hard choices on spending setup points to find locations (and starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs everything else there is to be had in setup. Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes those of us who plan long term for the spells, recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC recruitment. If it’s truly for game balance, I can’t hardly argue against that, but is it though?

Drew

On Saturday, October 28, 2017, 11:06:04 AM CDT, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

We’re testing out the following changes to make

it simpler to get a feel for your nation design

and where you want to take it. Most are on

theme, some are for game balance, but basically

it’s a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we’re one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar

Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points

Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points

Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun

Radagast

Saruman

Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took

Goldberry

Tom Bombadil

Gandalf

Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan

Feamirie

Sulkano

Losspindel

Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron

The Blue Wizard (already)

Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.

Hoarmurath (already)

Khamul (already)

Lhachglin

Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab

Fha-Korlash

Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil

Ji Indur

Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw

Khamul

Ren the Unclean

The Blue Wizard

Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil

Barrow Wight

Bert

Tom

William

Felagrod

Hoarmurath

Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan

Orodreth

The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod

Istar Luin

Turukulon

Middle Earth Games Ltd

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I guess we'll see it's being tested atm. I find that the power NPCs are picked up and the rest are left alone. In this case you can get the power NPCs anyway, it won't, imo, change the chances of getting them by anything appreciable I suspect.

So the reasoning for the changes is that NPCs are great fun in KS. This allows specific planning for a position and directional choices with set-ups and selection of NPCs that you go for.

Well that's the plan anyway - we'll see what actually occurs in the next 2 games and I'll feedback post that.

Clint

I would have to agree with the 2 other gentlemen. Making it harder for the Usurpers to get, say Ji Indur, would make it more balanced. IMHO

In a message dated 10/29/2017 3:57:31 PM Central Standard Time, mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com writes:

I second Drew.

I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the NPCs. If they just become regular part of the setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.

I suspect I'll be in the minority, but I don't like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn't be too easy to get. I could see lowering the up front cost of finding some more SNAs for that particular game for nation matching planning, but I really like the existing hard choices on spending setup points to find locations (and starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs everything else there is to be had in setup. Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes those of us who plan long term for the spells, recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC recruitment. If it's truly for game balance, I can't hardly argue against that, but is it though?
Drew

We're testing out the following changes to make
it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
and where you want to take it. Most are on
theme, some are for game balance, but basically
it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar
Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points
Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun
Radagast
Saruman
Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took
Goldberry
Tom Bombadil
Gandalf
Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan
Feamirie
Sulkano
Losspindel
Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron
The Blue Wizard (already)
Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.
Hoarmurath (already)
Khamul (already)
Lhachglin
Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab
Fha-Korlash
Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil
Ji Indur
Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw
Khamul
Ren the Unclean
The Blue Wizard
Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil
Barrow Wight
Bert
Tom
William
Felagrod
Hoarmurath
Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan
Orodreth
The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod
Istar Luin
Turukulon

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On Saturday, October 28, 2017, 11:06:04 AM CDT, >ME Games Ltd ><mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.com>me@MiddleEarthGames.com >[mepbmlist] ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Joao isn't playing the game atm nor hasnt' played KS for 5 years.

Clint

I second Drew.

I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the NPCs. If they just become regular part of the setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.

I suspect I'll be in the minority, but I don't like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn't be too easy to get. I could see lowering the up front cost of finding some more SNAs for that particular game for nation matching planning, but I really like the existing hard choices on spending setup points to find locations (and starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs everything else there is to be had in setup. Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes those of us who plan long term for the spells, recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC recruitment. If it's truly for game balance, I can't hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â
Drew

We're testing out the following changes to make
it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
and where you want to take it. Most are on
theme, some are for game balance, but basically
it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar
Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points
Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun
Radagast
Saruman
Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took
Goldberry
Tom Bombadil
Gandalf
Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan
Feamirie
Sulkano
Losspindel
Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron
The Blue Wizard (already)
Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.
Hoarmurath (already)
Khamul (already)
Lhachglin
Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab
Fha-Korlash
Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil
Ji Indur
Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw
Khamul
Ren the Unclean
The Blue Wizard
Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil
Barrow Wight
Bert
Tom
William
Felagrod
Hoarmurath
Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan
Orodreth
The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod
Istar Luin
Turukulon

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On Saturday, October 28, 2017, 11:06:04 AM CDT, >ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’m sorry. I though I could still have an opinion.

Feel free to remove me form the list then.

···

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 6:57 PM, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Joao isn’t playing the game atm nor hasnt’ played KS for 5 years.

Clint

I second Drew.

I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the

NPCs. If they just become regular part of the

setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun

mailto:drukarzun@yahoo.comdrukarzun@yahoo.com

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I suspect I’ll be in the minority, but I don’t

like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn’t be

too easy to get. I could see lowering the up

front cost of finding some more SNAs for that

particular game for nation matching planning,

but I really like the existing hard choices on

spending setup points to find locations (and

starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs

everything else there is to be had in setup.

Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes

those of us who plan long term for the spells,

recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC

recruitment. If it’s truly for game balance, I

can’t hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â

Drew

On Saturday, October 28, 2017, 11:06:04 AM CDT,

ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]

<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.commepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We’re testing out the following changes to make

it simpler to get a feel for your nation design

and where you want to take it. Most are on
theme, some are for game balance, but basically

it’s a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we’re one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar

Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points

Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points

Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun

Radagast

Saruman

Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy

Gwaihir

Landroval

Meneldor

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman

Treebeard

Skinbark

Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took

Goldberry

Tom Bombadil

Gandalf

Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan

Feamirie

Sulkano

Losspindel

Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron

The Blue Wizard (already)

Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.

Hoarmurath (already)

Khamul (already)

Lhachglin

Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab

Fha-Korlash

Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil

Ji Indur

Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw

Khamul

Ren the Unclean

The Blue Wizard

Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil

Barrow Wight

Bert

Tom

William

Felagrod

Hoarmurath

Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan

Orodreth

The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod

Istar Luin

Turukulon

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I very rarely play KS but, for what it’s worth, I don’t think we should be making the game easier.

David

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From: Joao Moura joaogurgelmoura@gmail.com [mepbmlist]
Sent: 30 October 2017 02:45
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] KS changes

I’m sorry. I though I could still have an opinion.

Feel free to remove me form the list then.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 6:57 PM, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Joao isn’t playing the game atm nor hasnt’ played KS for 5 years.

Clint

I second Drew.

I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the
NPCs. If they just become regular part of the
setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun > >mailto:drukarzun@yahoo.comdrukarzun@yahoo.com > >[mepbmlist] > ><mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.commepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I suspect I’ll be in the minority, but I don’t
like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn’t be
too easy to get. I could see lowering the up
front cost of finding some more SNAs for that
particular game for nation matching planning,
but I really like the existing hard choices on
spending setup points to find locations (and
starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs
everything else there is to be had in setup.
Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes
those of us who plan long term for the spells,
recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC
recruitment. If it’s truly for game balance, I
can’t hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â
Drew

On Saturday, October 28, 2017, 11:06:04 AM CDT, > >ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] > ><mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.commepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We’re testing out the following changes to make
it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
and where you want to take it. Most are on

theme, some are for game balance, but basically
it’s a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we’re one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar
Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points
Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun
Radagast
Saruman
Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took
Goldberry
Tom Bombadil
Gandalf
Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan
Feamirie
Sulkano
Losspindel
Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron
The Blue Wizard (already)
Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.
Hoarmurath (already)
Khamul (already)
Lhachglin
Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab
Fha-Korlash
Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil
Ji Indur
Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw
Khamul
Ren the Unclean
The Blue Wizard
Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil
Barrow Wight
Bert
Tom
William
Felagrod
Hoarmurath
Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan
Orodreth
The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod
Istar Luin
Turukulon

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What like the 940 412 changes?

  There's time when simplification is good I think, and here's an example. 80% of NPCs in KS are not picked up at present.

Clint

I very rarely play KS but, for what it’s worth, I don’t think we should be making the game easier.

David

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From: <mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>Joao Moura joaogurgelmoura@gmail.com [mepbmlist]
Sent: 30 October 2017 02:45
To: <mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] KS changes

I'm sorry. I though I could still have an opinion.

Feel free to remove me form the list then.

Joao isn't playing the game atm nor hasnt' played KS for 5 years.

Clint
>
>I second Drew.
>
>I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the
>NPCs. If they just become regular part of the
>setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.
>
>I suspect I'll be in the minority, but I don't
>like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn't be
>too easy to get. I could see lowering the up
>front cost of finding some more SNAs for that
>particular game for nation matching planning,
>but I really like the existing hard choices on
>spending setup points to find locations (and
>starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs
>everything else there is to be had in setup.
>Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes
>those of us who plan long term for the spells,
>recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC
>recruitment. If it's truly for game balance, I
>can't hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â
>Drew
>
>We're testing out the following changes to make
>it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
>and where you want to take it. Most are on
>theme, some are for game balance, but basically
>it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.
>
>Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:
>
>Eg Line of Eldacar
>Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
>Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points
>Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.
>
>Loyalists
>
>Line of Eldacar
>
>Koashun
>Radagast
>Saruman
>Feamire
>
>Rebels of Ered Lithui
>
>Gandalf (already)
>Gwaihir
>Landroval
>Meneldor
>
>Rhovanion
>
>Michel Bandy
>Gwaihir
>Landroval
>Meneldor
>Treebeard
>Skinbark
>Leaflock
>
>Horselords
>
>Saruman
>Treebeard
>Skinbark
>Leaflock
>
>Kingdom of Arnor
>
>Dameric Took
>Goldberry
>Tom Bombadil
>Gandalf
>Losspindel
>
>Quendi
>
>Cirdan
>Feamirie
>Sulkano
>Losspindel
>Gandalf (already)
>
>Usurpers
>
>Line of Castamir
>
>Sauron
>The Blue Wizard (already)
>Ren the Unclean
>
>Line of Morlaen
>
>Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.
>Hoarmurath (already)
>Khamul (allready)
>Lhachglin
>Slyardach
>
>Line of Elendin
>
>Enna San Sarab
>Fha-Korlash
>Shelob
>
>Southron Kingdoms
>
>Akhorahil
>Ji Indur
>Sauron
>
>Hithlum
>
>Dwar of Waw
>Khamul
>Ren the Unclean
>The Blue Wizard
>Istar Luin
>
>Witch-realm of Angmar
>
>Akhorahil
>Barrow Wight
>Bert
>Tom
>William
>Felagrod
>Hoarmurath
>Old Man Willow
>
>Neutrals
>
>Line of Tirkhor
>
>Malan-bur-Malan
>Orodreth
>The Blue Wizard
>
>Khazad
>
>Felagrod
>Istar Luin
>Turukulon
>
>Middle Earth Games Ltd
>
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>On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun > ><mailto:drukarzun@yahoo.com><mailto:drukarzun@yahoo.com>drukarzun@yahoo.com > >[mepbmlist] > ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com><mailto:mepb > mlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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No your opinion is valid, and it's a free forum to discuss options, just for reference for how to feedback into a game this is key as the game has moved on a LOT in 5 years.

Clint

I'm sorry. I though I could still have an opinion.

Feel free to remove me form the list then.

Joao isn't playing the game atm nor hasnt' played KS for 5 years.

Clint
>
>I second Drew.
>
>I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the
>NPCs. If they just become regular part of the
>setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.
>
>I suspect I'll be in the minority, but I don't
>like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn't be
>too easy to get. I could see lowering the up
>front cost of finding some more SNAs for that
>particular game for nation matching planning,
>but I really like the existing hard choices on
>spending setup points to find locations (and
>starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs
>everything else there is to be had in setup.
>Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes
>those of us who plan long term for the spells,
>recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC
>recruitment. If it's truly for game balance, I
>can't hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â
>Drew
>
>We're testing out the following changes to make
>it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
>and where you want to take it. Most are on
>theme, some are for game balance, but basically
>it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.
>
>Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:
>
>Eg Line of Eldacar
>Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
>Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points
>Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.
>
>Loyalists
>
>Line of Eldacar
>
>Koashun
>Radagast
>Saruman
>Feamire
>
>Rebels of Ered Lithui
>
>Gandalf (already)
>Gwaihir
>Landroval
>Meneldor
>
>Rhovanion
>
>Michel Bandy
>Gwaihir
>Landroval
>Meneldor
>Treebeard
>Skinbark
>Leaflock
>
>Horselords
>
>Saruman
>Treebeard
>Skinbark
>Leaflock
>
>Kingdom of Arnor
>
>Dameric Took
>Goldberry
>Tom Bombadil
>Gandalf
>Losspindel
>
>Quendi
>
>Cirdan
>Feamirie
>Sulkano
>Losspindel
>Gandalf (already)
>
>Usurpers
>
>Line of Castamir
>
>Sauron
>The Blue Wizard (already)
>Ren the Unclean
>
>Line of Morlaen
>
>Any - Can already find any one NPC – keep as is.
>Hoarmurath (already)
>Khamul (already)
>Lhachglin
>Slyardach
>
>Line of Elendin
>
>Enna San Sarab
>Fha-Korlash
>Shelob
>
>Southron Kingdoms
>
>Akhorahil
>Ji Indur
>Sauron
>
>Hithlum
>
>Dwar of Waw
>Khamul
>Ren the Unclean
>The Blue Wizard
>Istar Luin
>
>Witch-realm of Angmar
>
>Akhorahil
>Barrow Wight
>Bert
>Tom
>William
>Felagrod
>Hoarmurath
>Old Man Willow
>
>Neutrals
>
>Line of Tirkhor
>
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>The Blue Wizard
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>On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun > ><mailto:drukarzun@yahoo.com><mailto:drukarzun@yahoo.com>drukarzun@yahoo.com > >[mepbmlist] > ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com><mailto:mepb > mlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Another key reason is that I'm looking at the balance of the game, and for some nations it's much easier to get NPCs than for others. So this brings the balance back to where it should be, from our game design perspective.

I'll be looking at other options that are never selected now that we have a decent base of games that ave been played now but I'm always keen to have more feedback. So spending the points on NPCs will make the game harder in some respects as each nation will probably hve to give up an all important selection from another table.

Well we'll see if it's an unmittated disaster or something else.

Clint

What like the 940 412 changes?

  There's time when simplification is good I
think, and here's an example. 80% of NPCs in KS are not picked up at present.

Clint

>I very rarely play KS but, for what it’s
>worth, I don’t think we should be making the game easier.
>
>David
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>Moura joaogurgelmoura@gmail.com [mepbmlist]
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>
>I'm sorry. I though I could still have an opinion.
>
>Feel free to remove me form the list then.
>
>Joao isn't playing the game atm nor hasnt' played KS for 5 years.
>
>Clint
> >
> >I second Drew.
> >
> >I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the
> >NPCs. If they just become regular part of the
> >setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.
> >
> >On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun
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> >
> >I suspect I'll be in the minority, but I don't
> >like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn't be
> >too easy to get. I could see lowering the up
> >front cost of finding some more SNAs for that
> >particular game for nation matching planning,
> >but I really like the existing hard choices on
> >spending setup points to find locations (and
> >starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs
> >everything else there is to be had in setup.
> >Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes
> >those of us who plan long term for the spells,
> >recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC
> >recruitment. If it's truly for game balance, I
> >can't hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â
> >Drew
> >
> >We're testing out the following changes to make
> >it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
> >and where you want to take it. Most are on
> >theme, some are for game balance, but basically
> >it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.
> >
> >Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:
> >
> >Eg Line of Eldacar
> >Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
> >Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this character at game start 30 points
> >Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.
> >
> >Loyalists
> >
> >Line of Eldacar
> >
> >Koashun
> >Radagast
> >Saruman
> >Feamire
> >
> >Rebels of Ered Lithui
> >
> >Gandalf (already)
> >Gwaihir
> >Landroval
> >Meneldor
> >
> >Rhovanion
> >
> >Michel Bandy
> >Gwaihir
> >Landroval
> >Meneldor
> >Treebeard
> >Skinbark
> >Leaflock
> >
> >Horselords
> >
> >Saruman
> >Treebeard
> >Skinbark
> >Leaflock
> >
> >Kingdom of Arnor
> >
> >Dameric Took
> >Goldberry
> >Tom Bombadil
> >Gandalf
> >Losspindel
> >
> >Quendi
> >
> >Cirdan
> >Feamirie
> >Sulkano
> >Losspindel
> >Gandalf (already)
> >
> >Usurpers
> >
> >Line of Castamir
> >
> >Sauron
> >The Blue Wizard (already)
> >Ren the Unclean
> >
> >Line of Morlaen
> >
> >Any - Can already find any one NPC ­ keep as is.
> >Hoarmurath (already)
> >Khamul (allready)
> >Lhachglin
> >Slyardach
> >
> >Line of Elendin
> >
> >Enna San Sarab
> >Fha-Korlash
> >Shelob
> >
> >Southron Kingdoms
> >
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> >Ji Indur
> >Sauron
> >
> >Hithlum
> >
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> >Khamul
> >Ren the Unclean
> >The Blue Wizard
> >Istar Luin
> >
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> >
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> >Bert
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> >
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Hi Clint

Yep. Just like the 940 412 changes.

Balance is good to some extent but if we go too far we as well all start the game with the same nation.

In case you’re wondering, I am a grumpy old sod.

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From: ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist]
Sent: 30 October 2017 14:27
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] KS changes

Another key reason is that I’m looking at the
balance of the game, and for some nations it’s
much easier to get NPCs than for others. So this
brings the balance back to where it should be,
from our game design perspective.

I’ll be looking at other options that are never
selected now that we have a decent base of games
that ave been played now but I’m always keen to
have more feedback. So spending the points on
NPCs will make the game harder in some respects
as each nation will probably hve to give up an
all important selection from another table.

Well we’ll see if it’s an unmittated disaster or something else.

Clint

What like the 940 412 changes?

There’s time when simplification is good I
think, and here’s an example. 80% of NPCs in KS are not picked up at present.

Clint

I very rarely play KS but, for what it’s
worth, I don’t think we should be making the game easier.

David

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I’m sorry. I though I could still have an opinion.

Feel free to remove me form the list then.

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Joao isn’t playing the game atm nor hasnt’ played KS for 5 years.

Clint

I second Drew.

I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the
NPCs. If they just become regular part of the
setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.

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I suspect I’ll be in the minority, but I don’t
like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn’t be
too easy to get. I could see lowering the up
front cost of finding some more SNAs for that
particular game for nation matching planning,
but I really like the existing hard choices on
spending setup points to find locations (and
starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs
everything else there is to be had in setup.
Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes
those of us who plan long term for the spells,
recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC
recruitment. If it’s truly for game balance, I
can’t hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â
Drew

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We’re testing out the following changes to make
it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
and where you want to take it. Most are on
theme, some are for game balance, but basically
it’s a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.

Did I say we’re one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:

Eg Line of Eldacar
Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this
character at game start 30 points

Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.

Loyalists

Line of Eldacar

Koashun
Radagast
Saruman
Feamire

Rebels of Ered Lithui

Gandalf (already)
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor

Rhovanion

Michel Bandy
Gwaihir
Landroval
Meneldor
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Horselords

Saruman
Treebeard
Skinbark
Leaflock

Kingdom of Arnor

Dameric Took
Goldberry
Tom Bombadil
Gandalf
Losspindel

Quendi

Cirdan
Feamirie
Sulkano
Losspindel
Gandalf (already)

Usurpers

Line of Castamir

Sauron
The Blue Wizard (already)
Ren the Unclean

Line of Morlaen

Any - Can already find any one NPC ­ keep as is.
Hoarmurath (already)
Khamul (allready)
Lhachglin
Slyardach

Line of Elendin

Enna San Sarab
Fha-Korlash
Shelob

Southron Kingdoms

Akhorahil
Ji Indur
Sauron

Hithlum

Dwar of Waw
Khamul
Ren the Unclean
The Blue Wizard
Istar Luin

Witch-realm of Angmar

Akhorahil
Barrow Wight
Bert
Tom
William
Felagrod
Hoarmurath
Old Man Willow

Neutrals

Line of Tirkhor

Malan-bur-Malan
Orodreth
The Blue Wizard

Khazad

Felagrod
Istar Luin
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Check out the NPC choices - in it each nation for KS has a selection that is suitable for them, they don't get every nation.

:slight_smile:

Clint

Hi Clint

Yep. Just like the 940 412 changes.

Balance is good to some extent but if we go too far we as well all start the game with the same nation.

In case you’re wondering, I am a grumpy old sod.

David

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Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] KS changes

Another key reason is that I'm looking at the
balance of the game, and for some nations it's
much easier to get NPCs than for others. So this
brings the balance back to where it should be,
from our game design perspective.

I'll be looking at other options that are never
selected now that we have a decent base of games
that ave been played now but I'm always keen to
have more feedback. So spending the points on
NPCs will make the game harder in some respects
as each nation will probably hve to give up an
all important selection from another table.

Well we'll see if it's an unmittated disaster or something else.

Clint

>What like the 940 412 changes?
>
> There's time when simplification is good I
>think, and here's an example. 80% of NPCs in KS are not picked up at present.
>
>Clint
>
> >I very rarely play KS but, for what it’s
> >worth, I don’t think we should be making the game easier.
> >
> >David
> >
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> >
> >From: <mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>Joao
> >Moura joaogurgelmoura@gmail.com [mepbmlist]
> >Sent: 30 October 2017 02:45
> >To: <mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] KS changes
> >
> >I'm sorry. I though I could still have an opinion.
> >
> >Feel free to remove me form the list then.
> >
> >Joao isn't playing the game atm nor hasnt' played KS for 5 years.
> >
> >Clint
> > >
> > >I second Drew.
> > >
> > >I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the
> > >NPCs. If they just become regular part of the
> > >setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.
> > >
> > >On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun
> > ><mailto:drukarzun@yahoo.com><mailto:drukarzun
> @yahoo.com>drukarzun@yahoo.com
> > >[mepbmlist]
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> > >
> > >I suspect I'll be in the minority, but I don't
> > >like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn't be
> > >too easy to get. I could see lowering the up
> > >front cost of finding some more SNAs for that
> > >particular game for nation matching planning,
> > >but I really like the existing hard choices on
> > >spending setup points to find locations (and
> > >starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs
> > >everything else there is to be had in setup.
> > >Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes
> > >those of us who plan long term for the spells,
> > >recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC
> > >recruitment. If it's truly for game balance, I
> > >can't hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â
> > >Drew
> > >
> > >We're testing out the following changes to make
> > >it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
> > >and where you want to take it. Most are on
> > >theme, some are for game balance, but basically
> > >it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.
> > >
> > >Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:
> > >
> > >Eg Line of Eldacar
> > >Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
> > >Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this
> character at game start 30 points
> > >Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.
> > >
> > >Loyalists
> > >
> > >Line of Eldacar
> > >
> > >Koashun
> > >Radagast
> > >Saruman
> > >Feamire
> > >
> > >Rebels of Ered Lithui
> > >
> > >Gandalf (already)
> > >Gwaihir
> > >Landroval
> > >Meneldor
> > >
> > >Rhovanion
> > >
> > >Michel Bandy
> > >Gwaihir
> > >Landroval
> > >Meneldor
> > >Treebeard
> > >Skinbark
> > >Leaflock
> > >
> > >Horselords
> > >
> > >Saruman
> > >Treebeard
> > >Skinbark
> > >Leaflock
> > >
> > >Kingdom of Arnor
> > >
> > >Dameric Took
> > >Goldberry
> > >Tom Bombadil
> > >Gandalf
> > >Losspindel
> > >
> > >Quendi
> > >
> > >Cirdan
> > >Feamirie
> > >Sulkano
> > >Losspindel
> > >Gandalf (already)
> > >
> > >Usurpers
> > >
> > >Line of Castamir
> > >
> > >Sauron
> > >The Blue Wizard (already)
> > >Ren the Unclean
> > >
> > >Line of Morlaen
> > >
> > >Any - Can already find any one NPC ­ keep as is.
> > >Hoarmurath (already)
> > >Khamul (allready)
> > >Lhachglin
> > >Slyardach
> > >
> > >Line of Elendin
> > >
> > >Enna San Sarab
> > >Fha-Korlash
> > >Shelob
> > >
> > >Southron Kingdoms
> > >
> > >Akhorahil
> > >Ji Indur
> > >Sauron
> > >
> > >Hithlum
> > >
> > >Dwar of Waw
> > >Khamul
> > >Ren the Unclean
> > >The Blue Wizard
> > >Istar Luin
> > >
> > >Witch-realm of Angmar
> > >
> > >Akhorahil
> > >Barrow Wight
> > >Bert
> > >Tom
> > >William
> > >Felagrod
> > >Hoarmurath
> > >Old Man Willow
> > >
> > >Neutrals
> > >
> > >Line of Tirkhor
> > >
> > >Malan-bur-Malan
> > >Orodreth
> > >The Blue Wizard
> > >
> > >Khazad
> > >
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> > >Istar Luin
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> >On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 6:57 PM, ME Games Ltd > > >me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] > > ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Sorry read they don't get every character for each nation. Generally they are on theme but some power balancing has been implemented as well.

Clint

Check out the NPC choices - in it each nation for
KS has a selection that is suitable for them, they don't get every nation.

:slight_smile:

Clint
>
>Hi Clint
>
>Yep. Just like the 940 412 changes.
>
>Balance is good to some extent but if we go too
>far we as well all start the game with the same nation.
>
>In case you’re wondering, I am a grumpy old sod.
>
>David
>
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>To: <mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] KS changes
>
>Another key reason is that I'm looking at the
>balance of the game, and for some nations it's
>much easier to get NPCs than for others. So this
>brings the balance back to where it should be,
>from our game design perspective.
>
>I'll be looking at other options that are never
>selected now that we have a decent base of games
>that ave been played now but I'm always keen to
>have more feedback. So spending the points on
>NPCs will make the game harder in some respects
>as each nation will probably hve to give up an
>all important selection from another table.
>
>Well we'll see if it's an unmittated disaster or something else.
>
>Clint
>
> >What like the 940 412 changes?
> >
> > There's time when simplification is good I
> >think, and here's an example. 80% of NPCs in
> KS are not picked up at present.
> >
> >Clint
> >
> > >I very rarely play KS but, for what it’s
> > >worth, I don’t think we should be making the game easier.
> > >
> > >David
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> > >Feel free to remove me form the list then.
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> > >
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> > > >
> > > >I second Drew.
> > > >
> > > >I think the most fun part of KS is hunting the
> > > >NPCs. If they just become regular part of the
> > > >setup, then they lose much of the attraction to me.
> > > >
> > > >On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Drukarzun
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> > > >I suspect I'll be in the minority, but I don't
> > > >like this line of thinking. NPCs shouldn't be
> > > >too easy to get. I could see lowering the up
> > > >front cost of finding some more SNAs for that
> > > >particular game for nation matching planning,
> > > >but I really like the existing hard choices on
> > > >spending setup points to find locations (and
> > > >starting artifact numbers for LATs) vs
> > > >everything else there is to be had in setup.
> > > >Making these things cheaper/easier penalizes
> > > >those of us who plan long term for the spells,
> > > >recruiting emissaries, etc, for NPC
> > > >recruitment. If it's truly for game balance, I
> > > >can't hardly argue against that, but is it though?Â
> > > >Drew
> > > >
> > > >We're testing out the following changes to make
> > > >it simpler to get a feel for your nation design
> > > >and where you want to take it. Most are on
> > > >theme, some are for game balance, but basically
> > > >it's a lot easier to get NPCs from the game start and chase them down.
> > > >
> > > >Did I say we're one duo away from a KS GB game as well? :wink:
> > > >
> > > >Eg Line of Eldacar
> > > >Koashun: Find the location at game start with this character 20 points
> > > >Koashun: Find the SNA associated with this
> > character at game start 30 points
> > > >Koashun: Find the artefact associated with this character 30 points.
> > > >
> > > >Loyalists
> > > >
> > > >Line of Eldacar
> > > >
> > > >Koashun
> > > >Radagast
> > > >Saruman
> > > >Feamire
> > > >
> > > >Rebels of Ered Lithui
> > > >
> > > >Gandalf (already)
> > > >Gwaihir
> > > >Landroval
> > > >Meneldor
> > > >
> > > >Rhovanion
> > > >
> > > >Michel Bandy
> > > >Gwaihir
> > > >Landroval
> > > >Meneldor
> > > >Treebeard
> > > >Skinbark
> > > >Leaflock
> > > >
> > > >Horselords
> > > >
> > > >Saruman
> > > >Treebeard
> > > >Skinbark
> > > >Leaflock
> > > >
> > > >Kingdom of Arnor
> > > >
> > > >Dameric Took
> > > >Goldberry
> > > >Tom Bombadil
> > > >Gandalf
> > > >Losspindel
> > > >
> > > >Quendi
> > > >
> > > >Cirdan
> > > >Feamirie
> > > >Sulkano
> > > >Losspindel
> > > >Gandalf (already)
> > > >
> > > >Usurpers
> > > >
> > > >Line of Castamir
> > > >
> > > >Sauron
> > > >The Blue Wizard (already)
> > > >Ren the Unclean
> > > >
> > > >Line of Morlaen
> > > >
> > > >Any - Can already find any one NPC ­ keep as is.
> > > >Hoarmurath (already)
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> > > >Barrow Wight
> > > >Bert
> > > >Tom
> > > >William
> > > >Felagrod
> > > >Hoarmurath
> > > >Old Man Willow
> > > >
> > > >Neutrals
> > > >
> > > >Line of Tirkhor
> > > >
> > > >Malan-bur-Malan
> > > >Orodreth
> > > >The Blue Wizard
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >Istar Luin
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> > >On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 6:57 PM, ME Games Ltd > > > >me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] > > > ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> > > >On Saturday, October 28, 2017, 11:06:04 AM CDT, > > > > >ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] > > > > ><<mailto:mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com><mailt > o:me> > pb > mlist@yahoogroups.com>mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

http://www.middleearthgames.com/manuals/

Version h are now up and ready to use.

Still looking for one player for KS GB game!

Thanks

Clint

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