Loose cannon and antisocial behavior

mepbmlist
#1

Granted I chose to illustrate a situation where there was enmity on a
team. In such a case there are three sides to the story, yours, his,
and the truth. Let's say he is sitting in his cave sulking. You have
to know there is a problem and can coordinate with the rest of the
guys to make adjustments for his lack of cooperation in the hopes
that the impasse can be solved down the line. Just because he is a
bad ally should not give you the right to run his nation for him or
even see information he doesn't want to share with you. Even if it
makes the game less enjoyable for everyone else on the team I don't
feel the moderator should send his pdf to anyone without his
permission. My personnal belief is that his nation is his and his
alone not his and yours or his and Clint's hopefully the problem
would be resolved, or he drops or whatever.

I like many others don't read the volumes of stuff on my cover sheet,
I want to get to my game. So I am glad that this topic came up. If it
can be solved by the player opting out then he does so and everyone
takes it from there.

Laurence I know your intentions are in the right place, specifically
you want to make the game enjoyable for the most players in a game as
possible. I too think that should be the purpose of the game, but to
try and mandate everyone's politically correct style of play is in my
opinion taking it too far. As someone has said this is more than a
war game, it is a morality play as well. To succeed you must
cooperate. Those that do not do so are not the majority of players. I
believe that most players understand that point as well, and if they
run into a loose cannon realize the problem is his and not the game
as hopefully they have had the enjoyment of working with many other
guys or chaps that they have enjoyed playing with. Jerks are
encountered in every facet of life, not just in this game and I think
most players understand this. Thus I don't feel God um Clint needs to
get involved to sort these things out except in extreme situations.

Brad

#2

Even if it
makes the game less enjoyable for everyone else on the team I don't
feel the moderator should send his pdf to anyone without his
permission.

You ignore the idea of precedent and the "reasonable". If a player has been communicating, sending his news, and very often these days sharing his pdf with the team, then suddenly goes silent for two weeks, then it is reasonable for the team and the GM to assume he's about to drop. If there's been a row, then I'll acknowledge, we should expect the players to inform Clint that this is the case - though if he fails to make contact with the team or the GM at all, then I'd still say it is reasonable for the GM to issue the pdf on the basis of an anticipated drop.

And having said that, even when there's a row - and I've seen a few - individuals tend to announce that they'll drop, play on for three turns, or offer the position to a standby. People that care enough about the game to get into a row about it, have always in my experience cared enough to tell the team and/or GM what they're about to do.

Laurence I know your intentions are in the right place, specifically
you want to make the game enjoyable for the most players in a game as
possible. I too think that should be the purpose of the game, but to
try and mandate everyone's politically correct style of play is in my
opinion taking it too far.

Hmmm. Again, I'm not sure that is what I said, and of course you instantly damn what anyone says if you describe it as calling for political correctness. To me, asking, or expecting sportsmanship, gentlemanly conduct, or suggesting that there is a spirit to the game to which one should adhere, is not the same as saying there is a "politically correct" line. What is politically correct changes with the wind, but principles such as respect for others, and respect for games (which can be closely linked to respect for oneself) do not.

Laurence G. Tilley

http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk

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At 00:13 17/05/2003, kingoftherill wrote:

#3

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence G. Tilley"
<laurence@l...> wrote:

>Even if it
>makes the game less enjoyable for everyone else on the team I don't
>feel the moderator should send his pdf to anyone without his
>permission.

You ignore the idea of precedent and the "reasonable". If a player

has

been communicating, sending his news, and very often these days

sharing his

pdf with the team, then suddenly goes silent for two weeks, then it

is

reasonable for the team and the GM to assume he's about to drop.

If

there's been a row, then I'll acknowledge, we should expect the

players to

inform Clint that this is the case - though if he fails to make

contact

with the team or the GM at all, then I'd still say it is reasonable

for the

GM to issue the pdf on the basis of an anticipated drop.

And having said that, even when there's a row - and I've seen a

few -

individuals tend to announce that they'll drop, play on for three

turns, or

offer the position to a standby. People that care enough about the

game to

get into a row about it, have always in my experience cared enough

to tell

the team and/or GM what they're about to do.

>Laurence I know your intentions are in the right place,

specifically

>you want to make the game enjoyable for the most players in a game

as

>possible. I too think that should be the purpose of the game, but

to

>try and mandate everyone's politically correct style of play is in

my

>opinion taking it too far.

Hmmm. Again, I'm not sure that is what I said, and of course you

instantly

damn what anyone says if you describe it as calling for political
correctness. To me, asking, or expecting sportsmanship,

gentlemanly

conduct, or suggesting that there is a spirit to the game to which

one

should adhere, is not the same as saying there is a "politically

correct"

line. What is politically correct changes with the wind, but

principles

such as respect for others, and respect for games (which can be

closely

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At 00:13 17/05/2003, kingoftherill wrote:
linked to respect for oneself) do not.

Laurence G. Tilley

http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk