ME 1650 2nd ed objectives and certificates

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#1

Um, Laurence,

I recall some nasty lines of thread on this topic
around the new year. I played my less that honorable
part, I will admit.

Please pay more attention. Everybody knows that
Bobbins has data on his site. 27 games, supposedly
Harlequin data. Nobody has ever seen or heard of any
other data in the world, especially a completely
different set from across the pond, that has the same
results.

Why? Because it doesn't exist. Please don't go on
with "I have it on my site, but it's beneath me to find
it, so there it is.." bs. I checked your site.
Nothing new there, at least not today. Bobbins,
facade, Stormy, baerauble, and some Spanish thing. Was
the info on the Spanish thing? I can't tell....

The 2/3 myth comes from Bobbins 27 UK games. As I
pointed out many moons ago..the first 9 were DS
victories. So, with statistics equally usefull, in the
last 18 games put on Bobbins site, the DS-FP ratio is
actually 1-1.

So there.

Please, no more rumours, innuendo, and false leads to
nowhere. The "data" we have is useless. Things have
changed in the game. Show me a real data set, show me
the lines between games where certain "tweaks" have
occured. Then, we may find some interesting trends.
Until then, people go off and get all worked up over
nothing (but....not..ME...!!)

Regards,

Brad Brunet

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On Sat, 03 March 2001, "Laurence G. Tilley" wrote:

He's working on a full, up to date collection of the data, I believe,
but it has already been collected for US games up to a certain date, and
represents a fairly good sample. One of the guys has the full data on
his web site, and that's where the 2/3rds figure comes from. I don't
have the inclination to go searching for it for you, but it is there.

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#2

That's an offensive, and deliberate misquoting of what I said, which was
that I didn't have the inclination to go searching through the sites for
someone else, not that it was beneath me to do so.

A subsequent poster told us which site the data was on, and the original
poster appeared to know of _no_ extant data to support the 2/3rds
statement. He did not say that he'd seen "old" data, and that there was
no fuller data. Suggest that it is you, who should pay more attention.

Regards,

Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/

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LBear <ditletang@canada.com> wrote

Please don't go on
with "I have it on my site, but it's beneath me to find
it, so there it is.."

#3

LBear wrote:

Please pay more attention. Everybody knows that
Bobbins has data on his site. 27 games, supposedly
Harlequin data. Nobody has ever seen or heard of any
other data in the world, especially a completely
different set from across the pond, that has the same
results.

Why? Because it doesn't exist.

   Presumably GSI/DGE kept *some* kind of records; the problem is
getting them to cough it up. Also, I don't know if anyone recalls that
hoary old rag, 'Whispers of the Wood,' but it always carried the news of
completed games, at least 30 in the time I was playing and it was still
in print. If anyone has old copies hanging around, they would be a gold
mine of information.
   Last but not least, the players on this list have either records or
memories of specific games. If there were some central place to
assemble said information, we could amass quite a body of data for
study. Who wants to be game info central?

Just as a starter contribution:
GSI 1650-47 DS victory, don't remember top nations but I think the FK
was one of them
GSI 1650-98 DS victory, Easterlings in top 3 (anomalous game; all FP
dropped about turn 10 after 4 neutrals went DS)

So there.

So there, yourself. The truth is out there, even if someone's
particular web site doesn't actually have it.

-ED \1/

#4

Hya - if players can send me information about which game ended with what
side winning then I can start collating it. Note we don't have GSI;DGE
winners information only ours.

Format:
Company, Scenario, Game Number, Individual winners (2nd,3rd),
Grudge/Individual Game, other

Clint

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Just as a starter contribution:
GSI 1650-47 DS victory, don't remember top nations but I think the FK
was one of them
GSI 1650-98 DS victory, Easterlings in top 3 (anomalous game; all FP
dropped about turn 10 after 4 neutrals went DS)