why do you always want to turn everything that Clint does into a negative. I'm sure that whatever "Modernising" or "tinkering" they do will be with the support of the players.
I'm not having a dig at you, it just seems that over the past Year I have been back playing MEPBM you always want to say negative things about what clint is trying to achieve.
Dave
In a message dated 10/20/2004 10:26:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@hotmail.com> writes:
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Let us review the recent history of a great American and international
business. �CocaCola. �As blue a blue chip company as exists presently. �
Twenty some years ago this company brought out the "new and improved Coke".
The company polls showed the customers wanted this. �It turned out to be a
great disaster. �Sales dropped like an airborne rock. �Pepsi gained market
share and almost won the 'cola wars' outright. Tail between their legs, the
Coke people ended that product and brought back "Classic" coke. �Now some
people are unable to resist touching a hot stove twice, so a few months ago
Coke brought out "Coke C2", which has proven to be a retail joke.
Is it possible for a businessman to ruin a great product and tradition, �
endangering �his company? �Yes.
So, Clint, when you feel the need to 'modernize' the game, the desire to
'tinker', �the advisability to extend a new 'service': �Keep in mind you are
approaching a cliff. �Unlike Coke you lack the resources to survive a
mis-step.
Ed Mills
We're very pleased to announce that we're now the proud owners of the
Middle
Earth PBM licence for the entire world, we've just bought GSI. �This is
another big step for us, but one that we've been looking to take for a long
time.
What will this mean to you guys? �Lots of things, more updates to software
and improvements, but most likely we'll be fixing some minor bugbears and
bringing the game in the 21st Century. �We'll be able to do
Face to Face events all over the World (planning the next one in March in
Denmark) and hopefully bring out some new modules. �As per usual we won't
go
ahead with any changes without full consultation with you guys.
Thanks
Clint
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Is it possible for a businessman to ruin a great product and tradition,
endangering his company? Yes.
** Is it possible for a great product to stagnate and for its customers to gradually lose interest?
Russ
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Ed,
why do you always want to turn everything that Clint does into a negative. I'm sure that whatever "Modernising" or "tinkering" they do will be with the support of the players.
I'm not having a dig at you, it just seems that over the past Year I have been back playing MEPBM you always want to say negative things about what clint is trying to achieve.
Dave
In a message dated 10/20/2004 10:26:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>Let us review the recent history of a great American and international
>business. CocaCola. As blue a blue chip company as exists presently.
>Twenty some years ago this company brought out the "new and improved Coke".
>The company polls showed the customers wanted this. It turned out to be a
>great disaster. Sales dropped like an airborne rock. Pepsi gained market
>share and almost won the 'cola wars' outright. Tail between their legs, the
>Coke people ended that product and brought back "Classic" coke. Now some
>people are unable to resist touching a hot stove twice, so a few months ago
>Coke brought out "Coke C2", which has proven to be a retail joke.
>
>Is it possible for a businessman to ruin a great product and tradition,
>endangering his company? Yes.
>
>So, Clint, when you feel the need to 'modernize' the game, the desire to
>'tinker', the advisability to extend a new 'service': Keep in mind you are
>approaching a cliff. Unlike Coke you lack the resources to survive a
>mis-step.
>Ed Mills
>>We're very pleased to announce that we're now the proud owners of the
>>Middle
>>Earth PBM licence for the entire world, we've just bought GSI. This is
>>another big step for us, but one that we've been looking to take for a long
>>time.
>>
>>What will this mean to you guys? Lots of things, more updates to software
>>and improvements, but most likely we'll be fixing some minor bugbears and
>>bringing the game in the 21st Century. We'll be able to do
>>Face to Face events all over the World (planning the next one in March in
>>Denmark) and hopefully bring out some new modules. As per usual we won't
>>go
>>ahead with any changes without full consultation with you guys.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Clint
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One need not look as far away as "coke" to see the
effects of tinkering.
In MEPBM itself, there have been 2 new scenarios, each
HIGHLY anticipated by the player base. The ideas
sounded good at first. 2950: Smaller nations, better
character balance.... 1000: Design your own
nation..... Still 70-80% of games seem to be 1650.
why do you always want to turn everything that Clint
does into a negative. I'm sure that whatever
"Modernising" or "tinkering" they do will be with
the support of the players.
I'm not having a dig at you, it just seems that over
the past Year I have been back playing MEPBM you
always want to say negative things about what clint
is trying to achieve.
Dave
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I personally agree with Ed's statement. Mind you, now that Clint holds all the marbles, his clientele has expanded enormously> After all, he is at the end of all the licences of foreign moderator enterprises. As such, he is not only dealing with brits, but now with americans, spanish, italians and like me, brazilians. Therefore, as an international company, I support that it would be wise to research thoroughly about any changes, as minor as they could appear to be.
For example, something i've always supported was the randomization of artifact numbers in the 1650/2950 scenarios, as is done in 4th> Nevertheless, I believe some people wouldn't like this change. So it's up to Clint and his posse =P to weight the effects of any changes, for they WILL BE worldwide. A good start could be a creation of another Yahoo e-mail list, one that should be advertised by Clint AND its licenced moderators, so that ppl around the world would join. After all, u don't see that many italians here, right ? This Yahoo community could be only about changes in the scenarios, and the poles feature could give Clint the statistics backing needed to implement safely any changes....
Hope to have helped,
Rodrigo Maia
···
----- Original Message -----
From: Gavinwj
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
Ed, there's a big difference between Coca-Cola and MEPBM games! For a start,
Clint knows most of his customers by name and deals with them directly...
You do have a knack for looking at the dark side of these things, don't you.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
R.K.Floyd wrote:
> ** Is it possible for a great product to stagnate and for its customers to
> gradually lose interest?
>
> Russ
So are the various scenarios a good or bad thing then? I only play 2950 and have no interest at all in the blast-a-thon that is 1650. Coke offers many products that are not as widely consumed as Coke itself but it is still profitable to offer them. I only drink Mountain Dew, only one of Coke's many fine products. Yet Coke takes up 70% of the shelf space at the local store.
Russ
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
One need not look as far away as "coke" to see the
effects of tinkering.
In MEPBM itself, there have been 2 new scenarios, each
HIGHLY anticipated by the player base. The ideas
sounded good at first. 2950: Smaller nations, better
character balance.... 1000: Design your own
nation..... Still 70-80% of games seem to be 1650.
> Ed,
>
> why do you always want to turn everything that Clint
> does into a negative. I'm sure that whatever
> "Modernising" or "tinkering" they do will be with
> the support of the players.
>
> I'm not having a dig at you, it just seems that over
> the past Year I have been back playing MEPBM you
> always want to say negative things about what clint
> is trying to achieve.
>
> Dave
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With that I do agree. There's always going to be a top product. That comment doesn't even apply, unless in spun like this: Since 1650 is ME top game, it should receive extra care when changes are being considered, since it's ME main source of profits...
Rodrigo Maia
···
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
So are the various scenarios a good or bad thing then? I only play 2950 and have no interest at all in the blast-a-thon that is 1650. Coke offers many products that are not as widely consumed as Coke itself but it is still profitable to offer them. I only drink Mountain Dew, only one of Coke's many fine products. Yet Coke takes up 70% of the shelf space at the local store.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Shimel
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
One need not look as far away as "coke" to see the
effects of tinkering.
In MEPBM itself, there have been 2 new scenarios, each
HIGHLY anticipated by the player base. The ideas
sounded good at first. 2950: Smaller nations, better
character balance.... 1000: Design your own
nation..... Still 70-80% of games seem to be 1650.
> Ed,
>
> why do you always want to turn everything that Clint
> does into a negative. I'm sure that whatever
> "Modernising" or "tinkering" they do will be with
> the support of the players.
>
> I'm not having a dig at you, it just seems that over
> the past Year I have been back playing MEPBM you
> always want to say negative things about what clint
> is trying to achieve.
>
> Dave
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First i apologize for using the term "communism" . The correct term would be socialism, of course if we're both referring the twentieth century Russia, from 1917 to 1991. Socialism is indeed a great product, dor it is an alternative method of ruling, and even if not applicable, serves to add depth to any political discussion, mundane or philosofical.
About the customers, I do disagree. At first, the population was very supportive and open to an alternative to the war that was depleting their nations. However, failure of the USSR in dealing with their own populace's expectations resulted in growing disgruntlement. Certainly, the "Cold war", added to capitalist propaganda and the negligence of the USSR to certain aspects of wellfare, caused socialism to deteriorate. I do believe that in the long run socialism would collapse, but I also belive that a certain catalyst was poor management of the USSR in internal politics....
So, I do believe communism to be a great product, and i do see soviets of the XX century as clients who lost interest. I meant it as a joke, but felt i had to respond. Let's agree to disagree,
shall we =P ?
Rodrigo Maia
···
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:05 PM
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I'm not sure that communism qualifies as a "great product" nor that its
"customers" ever had any abiding interest in it. Quite the reverse, in fact.
Gavin
Rodrigo Maia wrote:
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> Communism being the greatest example =PPP
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> R.K.Floyd wrote:
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>> Russ
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> Unfortunately, yes.
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Well, we currently don't have much choice, but the close fight between bush and kerry and the public acceptance of Bush shows us that ppl might be really sick about having an opinion....
Rodrigo Maia. sorry for this "off-topicking", but its a very interesting matter =P
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Or perhaps Democracy is the greatest...
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And what percentage bother to vote....? Customers definately losing interest
Its even worse for us. We in the UK don't even get to vote for whether Bush or Kerry gets to control our country....
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Well, we currently don't have much choice, but the close fight between bush and kerry and the public acceptance of Bush shows us that ppl might be really sick about having an opinion....
Rodrigo Maia. sorry for this "off-topicking", but its a very interesting matter =P
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Or perhaps Democracy is the greatest...
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> Communism being the greatest example =PPP
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> > ** Is it possible for a great product to stagnate and for its customers
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And what percentage bother to vote....? Customers definately losing
interest
Its even worse for us. We in the UK don't even get to vote for whether
Bush
or Kerry gets to control our country....
RD: Vote UKIP!
Richard.
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> Rodrigo Maia. sorry for this "off-topicking", but its a very
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