Question raised concerning the Last Alliance (ME44): What if the Dark Lord
nation goes bankrupt but still holds Barad-dur and Sauron is still alive?
I presumed, and Clint confirms, that as things stand, this would result in
the Dark Lord nation being eliminated and an automatic Free win.
We both agree this is unsatisfactory. It runs contrary to Tolkien and to
the spirit of this scenario in particular. I mean, since when did Sauron
have to worry about gold? As a Free player, I don't want to win in such a
manner. I want to win with a grand climactic battle like it says in the
book!
Clint says he will go with players' wishes on this, so if you (players) have
any ideas or opinions on this, let's hear them.
1) Dark Lord automatically gets enough gold to keep his economy afloat?
Very unsatisfactory - the player could bankrupt his nation every turn and
still stay in!
2) Dark Lord automatically gets a whip-round from his fellow nations? Just
as unsatisfactory - the other DS players would have something to say about
that!
3) If Dark Lord goes bankrupt, ask Harle to hand-mod his orders as necessary
to keep him alive, even disbanding troops, retiring characters where
necessary.
4) Perhaps just leave things as they are? If they are aware that the Dark
Lord nation CAN be eliminated thru bankruptcy, ending the game with a Free
win, surely each and every other DS would do their utmost to keep him
solvent?
Anybody got any better ideas?
Richard.
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From: "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@middleearthgames.com>
To: "Mikkel Berget" <berget@vip.cybercity.dk>; "102590 - Richard Devereu" <devereux@lineone.net>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 AM
Subject: ME Last Alliance question
Game over. I would possibly allow it that if Barad Dur was in the control
of an active nation though. Seems okay then (Note change there Richard to
my earlier email).
Happy to go with the players here though. Can you ask?
Clint
> Hi Clint
>
> This thought just occurred to me: "What happens if the Dark Lord goes
> banckrupt (and Barad Dur is still theirs and Sauron is still alive)???".
>
> Richard Devereux said he hadn't really thought about that and that we
> should ask you Clint (thus done).
>
> This probably should be decided either by you at Middleearthgames or by
> an agreement on both sides - maybe an open discussion on the MEPBM list
> or the PBMForum...
>
> Personally I feel, that if the game were to end, if the Dark Lord goes
> banckrupt, it would be an unsatisfactory end to the game - but we have
> to deal with this somehow. Any suggestions?
>
> Don't let this keep you up at night
>
> Mikkel Berget 109103 - Sinda i g44 Last Alliance
>
> ---
> RD: Good question! Errrrrr, I guess it's game over and a Free win. I
> don't think anybody thought of that before.
>
> What does Clint, our all-powerful GM say? Forwarding this to him for
> comment.
>
> Richard.
>
>
Um...as a neutral observe I believe that the DL should
be susceptable to bankruptcy. I quote the following
passage from the Sillimarillion (great songs):
'Thus did Sauron see the big OD on his account and
then did he say "It's a fair cop" and headed way out
east (passing two very comic fellows heading in the
other direction)'
Question raised concerning the Last Alliance (ME44):
What if the Dark Lord
nation goes bankrupt but still holds Barad-dur and
Sauron is still alive?
I presumed, and Clint confirms, that as things
stand, this would result in
the Dark Lord nation being eliminated and an
automatic Free win.
We both agree this is unsatisfactory. It runs
contrary to Tolkien and to
the spirit of this scenario in particular. I mean,
since when did Sauron
have to worry about gold? As a Free player, I don't
want to win in such a
manner. I want to win with a grand climactic battle
like it says in the
book!
Clint says he will go with players' wishes on this,
so if you (players) have
any ideas or opinions on this, let's hear them.
1) Dark Lord automatically gets enough gold to keep
his economy afloat?
Very unsatisfactory - the player could bankrupt his
nation every turn and
still stay in!
2) Dark Lord automatically gets a whip-round from
his fellow nations? Just
as unsatisfactory - the other DS players would have
something to say about
that!
3) If Dark Lord goes bankrupt, ask Harle to hand-mod
his orders as necessary
to keep him alive, even disbanding troops, retiring
characters where
necessary.
4) Perhaps just leave things as they are? If they
are aware that the Dark
Lord nation CAN be eliminated thru bankruptcy,
ending the game with a Free
win, surely each and every other DS would do their
utmost to keep him
solvent?
Anybody got any better ideas?
Richard.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Middle Earth PBM Games"
<me@middleearthgames.com>
To: "Mikkel Berget" <berget@vip.cybercity.dk>;
"102590 - Richard Devereu"
<devereux@lineone.net>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 AM
Subject: ME Last Alliance question
> Game over. I would possibly allow it that if
Barad Dur was in the control
> of an active nation though. Seems okay then (Note
change there Richard to
> my earlier email).
>
> Happy to go with the players here though. Can you
ask?
>
> Clint
>
> > Hi Clint
> >
> > This thought just occurred to me: "What happens
if the Dark Lord goes
> > banckrupt (and Barad Dur is still theirs and
Sauron is still alive)???".
> >
> > Richard Devereux said he hadn't really thought
about that and that we
> > should ask you Clint (thus done).
> >
> > This probably should be decided either by you at
Middleearthgames or by
> > an agreement on both sides - maybe an open
discussion on the MEPBM list
> > or the PBMForum...
> >
> > Personally I feel, that if the game were to end,
if the Dark Lord goes
> > banckrupt, it would be an unsatisfactory end to
the game - but we have
> > to deal with this somehow. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Don't let this keep you up at night
> >
> > Mikkel Berget 109103 - Sinda i g44 Last Alliance
> >
> > ---
> > RD: Good question! Errrrrr, I guess it's game
over and a Free win. I
> > don't think anybody thought of that before.
> >
> > What does Clint, our all-powerful GM say?
Forwarding this to him for
> > comment.
> >
> > Richard.
> >
> >
>
>
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As a DS in the LA scenario, and a player in general, I
also agree that this is not in the spirit. But it
must be set up so it is not abused. Perhaps gold
being used from other DS' surplus' automatically to
cover it? He is, after all, the Dark Lord. Perhaps
that way the other DS will make sure he's not screwing
it up too bad.
Question raised concerning the Last Alliance (ME44):
What if the Dark Lord
nation goes bankrupt but still holds Barad-dur and
Sauron is still alive?
I presumed, and Clint confirms, that as things
stand, this would result in
the Dark Lord nation being eliminated and an
automatic Free win.
We both agree this is unsatisfactory. It runs
contrary to Tolkien and to
the spirit of this scenario in particular. I mean,
since when did Sauron
have to worry about gold? As a Free player, I don't
want to win in such a
manner. I want to win with a grand climactic battle
like it says in the
book!
Clint says he will go with players' wishes on this,
so if you (players) have
any ideas or opinions on this, let's hear them.
1) Dark Lord automatically gets enough gold to keep
his economy afloat?
Very unsatisfactory - the player could bankrupt his
nation every turn and
still stay in!
2) Dark Lord automatically gets a whip-round from
his fellow nations? Just
as unsatisfactory - the other DS players would have
something to say about
that!
3) If Dark Lord goes bankrupt, ask Harle to hand-mod
his orders as necessary
to keep him alive, even disbanding troops, retiring
characters where
necessary.
4) Perhaps just leave things as they are? If they
are aware that the Dark
Lord nation CAN be eliminated thru bankruptcy,
ending the game with a Free
win, surely each and every other DS would do their
utmost to keep him
solvent?
Anybody got any better ideas?
Richard.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Middle Earth PBM Games"
<me@middleearthgames.com>
To: "Mikkel Berget" <berget@vip.cybercity.dk>;
"102590 - Richard Devereu"
<devereux@lineone.net>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 AM
Subject: ME Last Alliance question
> Game over. I would possibly allow it that if
Barad Dur was in the control
> of an active nation though. Seems okay then (Note
change there Richard to
> my earlier email).
>
> Happy to go with the players here though. Can you
ask?
>
> Clint
>
> > Hi Clint
> >
> > This thought just occurred to me: "What happens
if the Dark Lord goes
> > banckrupt (and Barad Dur is still theirs and
Sauron is still alive)???".
> >
> > Richard Devereux said he hadn't really thought
about that and that we
> > should ask you Clint (thus done).
> >
> > This probably should be decided either by you at
Middleearthgames or by
> > an agreement on both sides - maybe an open
discussion on the MEPBM list
> > or the PBMForum...
> >
> > Personally I feel, that if the game were to end,
if the Dark Lord goes
> > banckrupt, it would be an unsatisfactory end to
the game - but we have
> > to deal with this somehow. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Don't let this keep you up at night
> >
> > Mikkel Berget 109103 - Sinda i g44 Last Alliance
> >
> > ---
> > RD: Good question! Errrrrr, I guess it's game
over and a Free win. I
> > don't think anybody thought of that before.
> >
> > What does Clint, our all-powerful GM say?
Forwarding this to him for
> > comment.
> >
> > Richard.
> >
> >
>
>
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--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Richard John Devereux" <devereux@l...> wrote:
4) Perhaps just leave things as they are? If they are aware that
the Dark Lord nation CAN be eliminated thru bankruptcy, ending
the game with a Free win, surely each and every other DS would
do their utmost to keep him solvent?
I think this is the best idea. As one of the DS players, I can safely
say that we are quite aware of the bankruptcy threat. We have economic
reports done each month, with tax rates etc, and who is in real dodo
(it's not the Dark Lord economically.
economically.