Results for one of my games are now two days overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.
Is it just me? Are other people waiting for turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?
David
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.
Joseph
···
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, ‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Results for one of my games are now two days overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.
Is it just me? Are other people waiting for turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?
David
I’ve heard from Clint so I know what the issue is. I think I preferred Rob’s cast iron deadlines.
David
···
On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 “Joseph Williams rhudaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]” mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.
Joseph
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, ‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Results for one of my games are now two days overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.
Is it just me? Are other people waiting for turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?
David
Ive heard from Clint so I know what the issue is. I think I preferred Robs cast iron deadlines.
Some players do, they're the ones who get their turns in on time. However, 1) we're doing a lot more coding with this "regime" and 2) I find that drop out rates are higher with hard deadlines. 3) I've had a few players want the hard deadline except when they're not able to get their turn in! 
Clint
···
At 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
David
On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 "Joseph Williams >>rhudaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]" <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.
Joseph
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, >>'David Crane' dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk >>[mepbmlist] <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Results for one of my games are now two days overdue and theres been no word from Clint.
Is it just me? Are other people waiting for turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?
David
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I have a lot of sympathy with a regime that reduces the number of dropouts. However, you need to try to be fair to all the players, not just those who, for whatever reason, can’t get their turns in on time.
The game I’m waiting for is now 5 days overdue. You might as well give up on deadlines altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.
David
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From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
At 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
I’ve heard from Clint so I know what the issue
is. I think I preferred Rob’s cast iron deadlines.
Some players do, they’re the ones who get their
turns in on time. However, 1) we’re doing a lot
more coding with this “regime” and 2) I find that
drop out rates are higher with hard
deadlines. 3) I’ve had a few players want the
hard deadline except when they’re not able to get their turn in!
Clint
David
On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 “Joseph Williams >>rhudaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]” mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.Joseph
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, >>‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk >>[mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Results for one of my games are now two days
overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?David
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I have a lot of sympathy with a regime that reduces the number of dropouts. However, you need to try to be fair to all the players, not just those who, for whatever reason, cant get their turns in on time.
I agree, having a game end because of a valid delay is not a good reason. You're assuming here, I think, that players are just not getting their turns in because they can't be bothered, it's not that.
The game Im waiting for is now 5 days overdue. You might as well give up on deadlines altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.
David
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Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns>Ive heard from Clint so I know what the issue
>is. I think I preferred Robs cast iron deadlines.Some players do, they're the ones who get their
turns in on time. However, 1) we're doing a lot
more coding with this "regime" and 2) I find that
drop out rates are higher with hard
deadlines. 3) I've had a few players want the
hard deadline except when they're not able to get their turn in!Clint
>David
>>
>>They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
>>we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.
>>
>>Joseph
>>
>>Results for one of my games are now two days
>>overdue and theres been no word from Clint.
>>
>>Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
>>turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?
>>
>>David
>>
>
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At 07:08 14/05/2019, you wrote:
At 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
> >On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 "Joseph Williams > >>rhudaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]" <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, > >>'David Crane' dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk > >>[mepbmlist] <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I’m not assuming that this guy’s orders are late because he can’t be bothered. You told me he was having issues. I just think that whilst allowing a day or so for someone with a genuine reason is OK, 5 days is much too long to wait. How long is it going to be before we get results for this game? Weeks?
David
···
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 14 May 2019 16:05
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
At 07:08 14/05/2019, you wrote:
I have a lot of sympathy with a regime that
reduces the number of dropouts. However, you
need to try to be fair to all the players, not
just those who, for whatever reason, can’t get their turns in on time…
I agree, having a game end because of a valid
delay is not a good reason. You’re assuming
here, I think, that players are just not getting
their turns in because they can’t be bothered, it’s not that.
The game I’m waiting for is now 5 days overdue.
You might as well give up on deadlines
altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsAt 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
I’ve heard from Clint so I know what the issue
is. I think I preferred Rob’s cast iron deadlines.Some players do, they’re the ones who get their
turns in on time. However, 1) we’re doing a lot
more coding with this “regime” and 2) I find that
drop out rates are higher with hard
deadlines. 3) I’ve had a few players want the
hard deadline except when they’re not able to get their turn in!Clint
David
On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 “Joseph Williams > >>rhudaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]” mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.Joseph
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, > >>‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk > >>[mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Results for one of my games are now two days
overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?David
;>
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The turns have just arrived. I still think 5 days is too long.
David
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Sent: 14 May 2019 16:32
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
I’m not assuming that this guy’s orders are late because he can’t be bothered. You told me he was having issues. I just think that whilst allowing a day or so for someone with a genuine reason is OK, 5 days is much too long to wait. How long is it going to be before we get results for this game? Weeks?
David
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Sent: 14 May 2019 16:05
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
At 07:08 14/05/2019, you wrote:
I have a lot of sympathy with a regime that
reduces the number of dropouts. However, you
need to try to be fair to all the players, not
just those who, for whatever reason, can’t get their turns in on time…
I agree, having a game end because of a valid
delay is not a good reason. You’re assuming
here, I think, that players are just not getting
their turns in because they can’t be bothered, it’s not that.
The game I’m waiting for is now 5 days overdue.
You might as well give up on deadlines
altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsAt 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
I’ve heard from Clint so I know what the issue
is. I think I preferred Rob’s cast iron deadlines.Some players do, they’re the ones who get their
turns in on time. However, 1) we’re doing a lot
more coding with this “regime” and 2) I find that
drop out rates are higher with hard
deadlines. 3) I’ve had a few players want the
hard deadline except when they’re not able to get their turn in!Clint
David
On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 “Joseph Williams > >>rhudaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]” mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.Joseph
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, > >>‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk > >>[mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Results for one of my games are now two days
overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?David
;>
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I agree, it is
I've had words.
Clint
The turns have just arrived. I still think 5 days is too long.
David
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Sent: 14 May 2019 16:32
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsIm not assuming that this guys orders are late because he cant be bothered. You told me he was having issues. I just think that whilst allowing a day or so for someone with a genuine reason is OK, 5 days is much too long to wait. How long is it going to be before we get results for this game? Weeks?
David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 14 May 2019 16:05
To: mepbmlist @yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns>I have a lot of sympathy with a regime that
>reduces the number of dropouts. However, you
>need to try to be fair to all the players, not
>just those who, for whatever reason, cant get their turns in on time..I agree, having a game end because of a valid
delay is not a good reason. You're assuming
here, I think, that players are just not getting
their turns in because they can't be bothered, it's not that.>
>The game Im waiting for is now 5 days overdue.
>You might as well give up on de adlines
>altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.
>
>David
>
>From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
>
> >Ive heard from Clint so I know what the issue
> >is. I think I preferred Robs cast iron deadlines.
>
>Some players do, they're the ones who get their
>turns in on time. However, 1) we're doing a lot
>more coding with this "regime" and 2) I find that
>drop out rates are higher with hard
>deadlines. 3) I've had a few players want the
>hard deadline except when they're not able to get their turn in!
>
>Clint
>
> >David
> >>
> >>They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
> >>we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.
> >>
> >>Joseph
> >>
> >>Results for one of my games are now two days
> >>overdue and theres been no word from Clint.
> >>
> >>Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
> >>turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?
> >>
> >>D avid
> >>
>>
>;>
> >>
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At 16:35 14/05/2019, you wrote:
At 07:08 14/05/2019, you wrote:
>At 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
> > >On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 "Joseph Williams > > >>rh udaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]" <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >>On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, > > >>'David Crane' dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk > > >>[mepbmlist] <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I don’t post on here at all, but I feel obliged to comment on this nonsense. A turn was late - so what? Life happens and I’m sure most of us would like to see games continue where possible. We have all had games collapse due to drop outs and if we can avoid that, so much the better. No-one is suggesting delaying games by weeks, in fact, this is a rare instance in all the years I have been playing.
Let’s get on with the games and stop criticising the guys for trying to do the best they can. Most of us play these games for pleasure, not because we need to adhere to rigid strictures. If you don’t like it, don’t play. Simple.
Chris.
I agree, it is
I’ve had words.
Clint
The turns have just arrived. I still think 5 days is too long.
David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 14 May 2019 16:32
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsI’m not assuming that this guy’s orders are late
because he can’t be bothered. You told me he was
having issues. I just think that whilst allowing
a day or so for someone with a genuine reason is
OK, 5 days is much too long to wait. How long is
it going to be before we get results for this game? Weeks?David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 14 May 2019 16:05
To: mepbmlist @yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsI have a lot of sympathy with a regime that
reduces the number of dropouts. However, you
need to try to be fair to all the players, not
just those who, for whatever reason, can’t get their turns in on time…I agree, having a game end because of a valid
delay is not a good reason. You’re assuming
here, I think, that players are just not getting
their turns in because they can’t be bothered, it’s not that.The game I’m waiting for is now 5 days overdue.
You might as well give up on de adlines
altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsI’ve heard from Clint so I know what the issue
is. I think I preferred Rob’s cast iron deadlines.Some players do, they’re the ones who get their
turns in on time. However, 1) we’re doing a lot
more coding with this “regime” and 2) I find that
drop out rates are higher with hard
deadlines. 3) I’ve had a few players want the
hard deadline except when they’re not able to get their turn in!Clint
David
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.Joseph
Results for one of my games are now two days
overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?D avid
;>
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On Tuesday, 14 May 2019, 18:47:18 BST, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
At 16:35 14/05/2019, you wrote:
At 07:08 14/05/2019, you wrote:
At 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 “Joseph Williams > > >>rh udaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]” mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, > > >>‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk > > >>[mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Morning Chris
I thought we all played the game for pleasure. For some of us, part of the pleasure is anticipating the results arriving and then receiving them when they are due. It irritates me when they don’t arrive on time. 5 days might be rare but delays are becoming increasingly common. Their have been several occasions recently when turns have arrived days late.
I’m sure Clint and the other guys who are trying to do their best will be delighted with your suggestion that I should stop playing.
David
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Sent: 14 May 2019 21:22
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
I don’t post on here at all, but I feel obliged to comment on this nonsense. A turn was late - so what? Life happens and I’m sure most of us would like to see games continue where possible. We have all had games collapse due to drop outs and if we can avoid that, so much the better. No-one is suggesting delaying games by weeks, in fact, this is a rare instance in all the years I have been playing.
Let’s get on with the games and stop criticising the guys for trying to do the best they can. Most of us play these games for pleasure, not because we need to adhere to rigid strictures. If you don’t like it, don’t play. Simple.
Chris.
On Tuesday, 14 May 2019, 18:47:18 BST, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I agree, it is
I’ve had words.
Clint
At 16:35 14/05/2019, you wrote:
The turns have just arrived. I still think 5 days is too long.
David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 14 May 2019 16:32
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsI’m not assuming that this guy’s orders are late
because he can’t be bothered. You told me he was
having issues. I just think that whilst allowing
a day or so for someone with a genuine reason is
OK, 5 days is much too long to wait. How long is
it going to be before we get results for this game? Weeks?David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 14 May 2019 16:05
To: mepbmlist @yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsAt 07:08 14/05/2019, you wrote:
I have a lot of sympathy with a regime that
reduces the number of dropouts. However, you
need to try to be fair to all the players, not
just those who, for whatever reason, can’t get their turns in on time…I agree, having a game end because of a valid
delay is not a good reason. You’re assuming
here, I think, that players are just not getting
their turns in because they can’t be bothered, it’s not that.The game I’m waiting for is now 5 days overdue.
You might as well give up on de adlines
altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsAt 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
I’ve heard from Clint so I know what the issue
is. I think I preferred Rob’s cast iron deadlines.Some players do, they’re the ones who get their
turns in on time. However, 1) we’re doing a lot
more coding with this “regime” and 2) I find that
drop out rates are higher with hard
deadlines. 3) I’ve had a few players want the
hard deadline except when they’re not able to get their turn in!Clint
David
On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 “Joseph Williams > > >>rh udaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]” <mepbmlist@yahoogroups…com> wrote:
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.Joseph
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, > > >>‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk > > >>[mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Results for one of my games are now two days
overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?D avid
;>
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David,
I agree that the expectation is sometimes as worthwhile as the result. However, and I play many games by mail and have done so for far too many years, we do occasionally have to accept thaat real life intervenes and delays (and even errors) will occur. I’m just saying that we should let the guys get on with their jobs and do what they have been doing well for a long time. We have heard some reasons why delays have arisen, so we are not entirely in the dark.
I say, be cool. We have to wait a week for each GOT, so we must learn patience throughout our lives.
Chris.
Morning Chris
I thought we all played the game for pleasure. For some of us, part of the pleasure is anticipating the results arriving and then receiving them when they are due. It irritates me when they don’t arrive on time. 5 days might be rare but delays are becoming increasingly common. Their have been several occasions recently when turns have arrived days late.
I’m sure Clint and the other guys who are trying to do their best will be delighted with your suggestion that I should stop playing.
David
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On Wednesday, 15 May 2019, 07:42:55 BST, ‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 14 May 2019 21:22
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
I don’t post on here at all, but I feel obliged to comment on this nonsense. A turn was late - so what? Life happens and I’m sure most of us would like to see games continue where possible. We have all had games collapse due to drop outs and if we can avoid that, so much the better. No-one is suggesting delaying games by weeks, in fact, this is a rare instance in all the years I have been playing.
Let’s get on with the games and stop criticising the guys for trying to do the best they can. Most of us play these games for pleasure, not because we need to adhere to rigid strictures. If you don’t like it, don’t play. Simple.
Chris.
On Tuesday, 14 May 2019, 18:47:18 BST, ME Games Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I agree, it is
I’ve had words.
Clint
At 16:35 14/05/2019, you wrote:
The turns have just arrived. I still think 5 days is too long.
David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 14 May 2019 16:32
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsI’m not assuming that this guy’s orders are late
because he can’t be bothered. You told me he was
having issues. I just think that whilst allowing
a day or so for someone with a genuine reason is
OK, 5 days is much too long to wait. How long is
it going to be before we get results for this game? Weeks?David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups…com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 14 May 2019 16:05
To: mepbmlist @yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsAt 07:08 14/05/2019, you wrote:
I have a lot of sympathy with a regime that
reduces the number of dropouts. However, you
need to try to be fair to all the players, not
just those who, for whatever reason, can’t get their turns in on time…I agree, having a game end because of a valid
delay is not a good reason. You’re assuming
here, I think, that players are just not getting
their turns in because they can’t be bothered, it’s not that.The game I’m waiting for is now 5 days overdue.
You might as well give up on de adlines
altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsAt 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
I’ve heard from Clint so I know what the issue
is. I think I preferred Rob’s cast iron deadlines.Some players do, they’re the ones who get their
turns in on time. However, 1) we’re doing a lot
more coding with this “regime” and 2) I find that
drop out rates are higher with hard
deadlines… 3) I’ve had a few players want the
hard deadline except when they’re not able to get their turn in!Clint
David
On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 “Joseph Williams > > >>rh udaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]” <mepbmlist@yahoogroups…com> wrote:
They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.Joseph
On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, > > >>‘David Crane’ dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk > > >>[mepbmlist] mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Results for one of my games are now two days
overdue and there’s been no word from Clint.Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?D avid
;>
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As far as I can see it's an interesting debate. There's pros and cons to both sides. One feedback we had when we bought DGE from the guys in the US that our more flexible approach was better. Personally I try to do what I feel works best with the player base.
I certainly don't want to lose any players over it. I've found over the years that if I SS a player, invariably they drop out within a few turns. (There's many reasons that occurs and for now I'm not discussing that). That then means that the rest of the team suffers and consequently the entire game and players suffer The offset of that is that sometimes games are delayed, it's rarer than you think, but does happen. I makes strenuous efforts to get players to get their turns in before hand, and when the turn is due (you've no doubt seen the emails!) but even with my best efforst, the team-mates efforts etc it all gets delayed.
So that's why I've come to the conclusion that I have.
As an aside: So we used to have no-drop games, I found that it meant that there was a higher level of commitment but that it meant that when a player missed turns or dropped the game there was a higher level of angst. I recommend Grudge games for the full on "ME experience", it's hard tough on the players but the skill level is generally higher than individual or GB games.
Recently we've had some players with some major life issues affecting them and I try to do the best I can with them all. Occasionally after much debate I draw the line but I try to be flexible.
Clint
Morning Chris
I thought we all played the game for pleasure. For some of us, part of the pleasure is anticipating the results arriving and then receiving them when they are due. It irritates me when they donât arrive on time. 5 days might be rare but delays are becoming increasingly common. Their have been several occasions recently when turns have arrived days late.
Iâm sure Clint and the other guys who are trying to do their best will be delighted with your suggestion that I should stop playing.
David
From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 14 May 2019 21:22
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late TurnsI don't post on here at all, but I feel obliged to comment on this nonsense. A turn was late - so what? Life happens and I'm sure most of us would like to see games continue where possible. We have all had games collapse due to drop outs and if we can avoid that, so much the better. No-one is suggesting delaying games by weeks, in fact, this is a rare instance in all the years I have been playing.
Let's get on with the games and stop criticising the guys for trying to do the best they can. Most of us play these games for pleasure, not because we need to adhere to rigid strictures. If you don't like it, don't play. Simple.
Chris.
I agree, it is
I've had words.
Clint
>The turns have just arrived. I still think 5 days is too long.
>
>David
>
>From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: 14 May 2019 16:32
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
>
>Iâm not assuming that this guyâs orders are late
>because he canât be bothered. You told me he was
>having issues. I just think that whilst allowing
>a day or so for someone with a genuine reason is
>OK, 5 days is much too long to wait. How long is
>it going to be before we get results for this game? Weeks?
>
>David
>
>From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups..com <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: 14 May 2019 16:05
>To: mepbmlist @yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
>
> >I have a lot of sympathy with a regime that
> >reduces the number of dropouts. However, you
> >need to try to be fair to all the players, not
> >just those who, for whatever reason, canât get their turns in on time..
>
>I agree, having a game end because of a valid
>delay is not a good reason. You're assuming
>here, I think, that players are just not getting
>their turns in because they can't be bothered, it's not that.
>
> >
> >The game Iâm waiting for is now 5 days overdue.
> >You might as well give up on de adlines
> >altogether and just let people send in their orders when they feel like it.
> >
> >David
> >
> >From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: 13 May 2019 16:53
> >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Late Turns
> >
> > >Iâve heard from Clint so I know what the issue
> > >is. I think I preferred Robâs cast iron deadlines.
> >
> >Some players do, they're the ones who get their
> >turns in on time. However, 1) we're doing a lot
> >more coding with this "regime" and 2) I find that
> >drop out rates are higher with hard
> >deadlines.. 3) I've had a few players want the
> >hard deadline except when they're not able to get their turn in!
> >
> >Clint
> >
> > >David
> > >>
> > >>They had a coding meltdown last week, from what
> > >>we heard in Game 83. Probably takes a while to recover from that.
> > >>
> > >>Joseph
> > >>
> > >>Results for one of my games are now two days
> > >>overdue and thereâs been no word from Clint.
> > >>
> > >>Is it just me? Are other people waiting for
> > >>turns? If so, does anyone know what the problem is?
> > >>
> > >>D avid
> > >>
> >>
> >;>
> > >>
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On Tuesday, 14 May 2019, 18:47:18 BST, ME Games >Ltd me@MiddleEarthGames.com [mepbmlist] <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
At 16:35 14/05/2019, you wrote:
>At 07:08 14/05/2019, you wrote:
> >At 16:42 13/05/2019, you wrote:
> > > >On 13 May 2019 at 16:31 "Joseph Williams > > > >>rh udaur@yahoo.com [mepbmlist]" <mepbmlist@yahoogroups..com> wrote:
> > >>On Friday, May 10, 2019, 11:51:19 PM PDT, > > > >>'David Crane' dazedandconfused@blueyonder.co.uk > > > >>[mepbmlist] <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com> wrote: