ME One nation choices

At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
What's the player take on this?

Clint

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  Subject: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

  At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
  What's the player take on this?

  Clint
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Part of it could be players trying to run positions they have not
previously played. Alternatively, it could be to run positions they
think are fun or powerful.

JAD

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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:44 AM
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Subject: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
What's the player take on this?

Clint
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Great gig ... if you can get it. :slight_smile:

I have sometimes felt this way, other times not cared at all. GWC's used to affect this a great deal, now that's out of the equation. The up and downsides are obvious:

Allow nation-specific startups = less early-game drops, less game starts
Don't allow nation-specific startups = more early-game drops, more game starts

I guess I'd have to say that there's some "break point" - some percentage of players asking for start-ups in non-grudge formats - above which you have to allow it. That % may be lower than you think (20% maybe?). I don't have the data, but you do, and I'm sure you follow what I mean, and you can do that analysis yourself, methinks.

Personally, I've recently stuck to grudge games - known quality of both teammates and opposition.

Hth.

b

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At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
What's the player take on this?

Clint
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Well, next game I'm tempted to list 24 preferred nations myself, with
Rhudaur the only exclusion! :wink:

Arfanbrad the Eternal
(currently my 7th Rhudaur...maybe 8th? argh...)

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From: "Benjamin Shushan" <bshushan@earthlink.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

Great gig ... if you can get it. :slight_smile:

I have sometimes felt this way, other times not cared at all. GWC's
used to affect this a great deal, now that's out of the equation. The
up and downsides are obvious:

Allow nation-specific startups = less early-game drops, less game

starts

Don't allow nation-specific startups = more early-game drops, more
game starts

I guess I'd have to say that there's some "break point" - some
percentage of players asking for start-ups in non-grudge formats - above
which you have to allow it. That % may be lower than you think (20%
maybe?). I don't have the data, but you do, and I'm sure you follow
what I mean, and you can do that analysis yourself, methinks.

Personally, I've recently stuck to grudge games - known quality of both
teammates and opposition.

Hth.

b

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>At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
>What's the player take on this?
>
>Clint
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I usually take any Nation that's coming up in the next starting game, I played the N-Men 3 times already, never played either Gondors, just like the game.

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  From: Benjamin Shushan
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  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

  Great gig ... if you can get it. :slight_smile:

  I have sometimes felt this way, other times not cared at all. GWC's
  used to affect this a great deal, now that's out of the equation. The
  up and downsides are obvious:

  Allow nation-specific startups = less early-game drops, less game starts
  Don't allow nation-specific startups = more early-game drops, more
  game starts

  I guess I'd have to say that there's some "break point" - some
  percentage of players asking for start-ups in non-grudge formats - above
  which you have to allow it. That % may be lower than you think (20%
  maybe?). I don't have the data, but you do, and I'm sure you follow
  what I mean, and you can do that analysis yourself, methinks.

  Personally, I've recently stuck to grudge games - known quality of both
  teammates and opposition.

  Hth.

  b

  Middle Earth Games wrote:

  >At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
  >What's the player take on this?
  >
  >Clint
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I only played Rudy twice, haven't played Easterlings yet, or Corsairs, or even Dunns, but just won in a game as Harad, LOL

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  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

  Well, next game I'm tempted to list 24 preferred nations myself, with
  Rhudaur the only exclusion! :wink:

  Arfanbrad the Eternal
  (currently my 7th Rhudaur...maybe 8th? argh...)

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  To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

  > Great gig ... if you can get it. :slight_smile:
  >
  > I have sometimes felt this way, other times not cared at all. GWC's
  > used to affect this a great deal, now that's out of the equation. The
  > up and downsides are obvious:
  >
  > Allow nation-specific startups = less early-game drops, less game
  starts
  > Don't allow nation-specific startups = more early-game drops, more
  > game starts
  >
  > I guess I'd have to say that there's some "break point" - some
  > percentage of players asking for start-ups in non-grudge formats - above
  > which you have to allow it. That % may be lower than you think (20%
  > maybe?). I don't have the data, but you do, and I'm sure you follow
  > what I mean, and you can do that analysis yourself, methinks.
  >
  > Personally, I've recently stuck to grudge games - known quality of both
  > teammates and opposition.
  >
  > Hth.
  >
  > b
  >
  > Middle Earth Games wrote:
  >
  > >At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
  > >What's the player take on this?
  > >
  > >Clint
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Just wait 'til you try 2950 - the Rhun are _fabulous_! :slight_smile:

b

Brad Brunet wrote:

Well, next game I'm tempted to list 24 preferred nations myself, with
Rhudaur the only exclusion! :wink:

Arfanbrad the Eternal
(currently my 7th Rhudaur...maybe 8th? argh...)

From: "Benjamin Shushan" <bshushan@earthlink.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

Great gig ... if you can get it. :slight_smile:

I have sometimes felt this way, other times not cared at all. GWC's
used to affect this a great deal, now that's out of the equation. The
up and downsides are obvious:

Allow nation-specific startups = less early-game drops, less game
   

starts

Don't allow nation-specific startups = more early-game drops, more
game starts

I guess I'd have to say that there's some "break point" - some
percentage of players asking for start-ups in non-grudge formats - above
which you have to allow it. That % may be lower than you think (20%
maybe?). I don't have the data, but you do, and I'm sure you follow
what I mean, and you can do that analysis yourself, methinks.

Personally, I've recently stuck to grudge games - known quality of both
teammates and opposition.

Hth.

b

Middle Earth Games wrote:

At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
What's the player take on this?

Clint
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----- Original Message -----

At present I am getting more and more players asking

for only nation.
What's the player take on this?

Easier to start a game if people list two or three,
but it'd be nice if that were optional rather than
required.

Dan N

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I can understand asking for 1 nation though I never do it. If you
have played a lot there is lot less that isn't a re-hash at least
some to degree of prior games. The GWC were a determent to game play,
no doubt, but they did allow one to get their choice nation at least
one time.

I understand fully that system breaks downs if people only make once
choice however this is one of the few consumer venues that I know you
don't know what you are purchasing until after you have already
paid for it. I would not tolerate going into a computer gaming store,
picking out 3 games that I would like to purchase, leave the
proprietor my credit card info and tell him, "I will take 1 of these
3 in this preferred order please ship it to me at some point." That
is essentially what happens when one signs up for game and let's
not forget a 20 turn game will cost $135.00 US.

I am not sure what if anything can be done about this other than for
people to play more Gunboat games :wink:

I am a 2950/FA player and they fill slowly as is, so slowing them
down is not a good thing in my book.

My only suggestion would be award to quasi-GWC. It should go to one
player on the winning team and should be decided by the players
themselves. I think it should be unanimous or MEG should just random
it. After the game is completed MEG could contact the winning players
saying they have one week to decide and that the players should pick
a single representative to convey their choice. This would eliminate
most email. After discussing among themselves the players should
decide that player X gets quasi-GWC and the representative should
send MEG an email stating such and copying all team members on the
email. Failure to do this would mean it goes to a random player.

All the quasi-GWC would allow is to let the player be guaranteed of
the nation he/she wants, not a free setup. There is no loss of
revenue for MEG from this that I can discern.

I think you could consider rules like it must be a starting player
that plays all the way through. Perhaps limit the quasi-GWC to the
same game type that that is was awarded for. You could also limit the
quasi-GWC to 1-2 per side in newly filling games and then it should
be on a first come first serve basis. This would perhaps encourage a
couple of players to signup early.

GWC in the past resulted in selfish play is many instances. I always
thought the team should decide who got the GWC's. It would be an MVP
decided on by your peers.

Not saying any of this is the best way to do things but I like the
idea. I don't see how it would cost MEG any revenue and I think
it could be done with minimal email. Just tell everyone that if the
team can't come to decision then it will be a random choice or not
awarded at all for that matter.

My 2 coppers

At present I am getting more and more players asking for only

nation.

What's the player take on this?

Clint
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JCC

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  ----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:43 AM
  Subject: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

  At present I am getting more and more players
asking for only nation.
  What's the player take on this?

  Clint

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I'd bet the nations are Noldo, Cloud Lord, Long Rider,
et al...

Alot of us (myself included) dont get to play the high
demand positions very often. We put down a mix of
nations on the card, hoping that THIS time we will
finally get to play the Cloud Lord. Unfortunately,
when set ups arrive, we are once again playing the
Fire King while the guy who was the Cloud Lord two
games back is the Cloud Lord again. After a while it
wears thin and you are ready to say "damnit, I want to
play that position at least once!"

Ask Brad Brunett where flexibilty with the neutral
selections has gotten him...

My thoughts,

Mike

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At present I am getting more and more players asking
for only nation.
What's the player take on this?

Clint

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Shouldn't be a problem, provided the player is willing to wait. I play 2
prearranged team games, and one open game, have kept this level for the
past couple of years now, In the prearranged team games, nations are
allocated by agreement, and there's never much of a problem, as most people
are fairly flexible when they know that the ClL or Nol are not going to be
played by a deranged monk, who has taken a vow of silence, and will drop on
turn 6. In the open game, I tend to specify which nation I want - I do
however, always say, that I don't mind how long I have to wait. That way,
in theory, I shouldn't displace anybody.

I suppose Clint has problems, if he has players wanting specific positions,
and players who say they don't mind, so get Rhudaur, and then sulk. So the
answer is probably to say:

"I only want Dwarves, I don't mind how long I wait"
OR
"I'd prefer Dwarves but if that's not possible within a month, I'll play any"
OR
"I'll play any neutral except Rhudaur"

That way Clint should be able to please most people, and those he can't
will most likely be those who said they're happy to wait. No good mumbling
about playing the Northmen for the third time though. If you go into the
cafe and ask for the Soup of the Day, don't be surprised if you get the
Chef's "Special"!

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At 16:43 25/11/2003, Middle Earth Games wrote:

At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
What's the player take on this?

My suggestion is a bit more work but why not specify a number of key nations
and if anyone wants to select them they MUST also select 2 others

So Noldo, Cloud Lord must select at least 2 others

Dark Lt, Long Rider must select at least 1 other

or some such

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From: "mike bateman" <mike_a_bateman@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

I'd bet the nations are Noldo, Cloud Lord, Long Rider,
et al...

Alot of us (myself included) dont get to play the high
demand positions very often. We put down a mix of
nations on the card, hoping that THIS time we will
finally get to play the Cloud Lord. Unfortunately,
when set ups arrive, we are once again playing the
Fire King while the guy who was the Cloud Lord two
games back is the Cloud Lord again. After a while it
wears thin and you are ready to say "damnit, I want to
play that position at least once!"

Ask Brad Brunett where flexibilty with the neutral
selections has gotten him...

My thoughts,

Mike

--- Middle Earth Games <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
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> At present I am getting more and more players asking
> for only nation.
> What's the player take on this?
>
> Clint
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Timely question as I'm just trying to sign up five people to play in
1650. One has played a couple of times and always the same nation and
wants more of the same a second hasn't played in a few of years so we
want a "safe" postion for him. The other three are more experienced
but want to "round" off the team so as to leave no one of us too
exposed. Currently negotiating with Clint.

Lewis

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At present I am getting more and more players asking for only

nation.

What's the player take on this?

Clint
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Well, next game I'm tempted to list 24 preferred nations myself, with
Rhudaur the only exclusion! :wink:

Arfanbrad the Eternal
(currently my 7th Rhudaur...maybe 8th? argh...)

RD: Personally, I've found it much easier to assemble a grudge team when most players take 2 nations. The reason is simple: if you give a player one of the nations he really really wants, it's much easier to saddle him with a weaker one to make up the numbers. Plus all my regular team-mates are power-crazy megalomaniacs :slight_smile:

Richard.

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From: "Benjamin Shushan" <bshushan@earthlink.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME One nation choices

Great gig ... if you can get it. :slight_smile:

I have sometimes felt this way, other times not cared at all. GWC's
used to affect this a great deal, now that's out of the equation. The
up and downsides are obvious:

Allow nation-specific startups = less early-game drops, less game

starts

Don't allow nation-specific startups = more early-game drops, more
game starts

I guess I'd have to say that there's some "break point" - some
percentage of players asking for start-ups in non-grudge formats - above
which you have to allow it. That % may be lower than you think (20%
maybe?). I don't have the data, but you do, and I'm sure you follow
what I mean, and you can do that analysis yourself, methinks.

Personally, I've recently stuck to grudge games - known quality of both
teammates and opposition.

Hth.

b

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>At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
>What's the player take on this?
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>Clint
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I'm curious: what does the company do when this happens? Do the people who
only give one nation Get that one nation, while others who follow "the
rules" and give that selection amongst their list therefore get bumped? In
other words, does the company simply "give in"...?

I was under the impression that it was first come first serve with nation
selections. The First Choice is slotted, and if it's already taken then
down through the other's on the list until that player is awarded a nation
"of his choosing". If None of those nations are available at the time that
player signed up, does he/she/it recieve an email to this effect?

There are a few players who claim they never get their top choice, and
others that say they almost always get their top choice. I've gotten mine
(when I give one) about 1/2 the time - fair enough, it 'seems'.

I don't think a discussion surrounding Changing the process is necessarily
fair when I don't believe we're well informed as to the current process.

If the question were: Should we give in to the players who say "If I don't
get XXXX then I'm not playing!"

Then my answer would be: No.

Brad Brunet

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At 16:43 25/11/2003, Middle Earth Games wrote:
>At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
>What's the player take on this?

> >At present I am getting more and more players asking for only nation.
> >What's the player take on this?

I'm curious: what does the company do when this happens? Do the people who
only give one nation Get that one nation, while others who follow "the
rules" and give that selection amongst their list therefore get bumped? In
other words, does the company simply "give in"...?

Nope I chat to the players concerned a lot - sometimes I say no and the 1 nation guys get bumped to the next game. Mostly we can come to a happy middle ground whereby players get a nation they want to play. (Brad's Rhudaur nation - well you did say you were happy to play it! - is an exception to the rule I think). Filling games takes a lot of my effort - if you just left it to natural processes then you'd quickly find a lot of unhappy players, slow game set-up and quite a few drops. Drops would then mean that we'd have a lot less players for variant games etc. So I don't think I'll get a perfect system whereby every player gets their 1st choice, within a day of asking for a new game in any variant of game that we can support. That's not possible. So I am looking for the best system that I can find.

I was under the impression that it was first come first serve with nation
selections.

Nope that was GSI and Allsorts system. When we took over Allsorts they had 2 games half filled of 2950 (and the games had been in that state for 6 months). We thought that was disastrous - (lots of drop outs when we finally got the game going and for a long time to come until we changed the system and sped up the process of getting players into games.

  The First Choice is slotted, and if it's already taken then
down through the other's on the list until that player is awarded a nation
"of his choosing". If None of those nations are available at the time that
player signed up, does he/she/it recieve an email to this effect?

Nope - this would slow down set-up and major admin work for us. I'd estimate around 8 hours extra work per game, no real solution to the players getting the nation they'd want, and lots of drop outs.

There are a few players who claim they never get their top choice, and
others that say they almost always get their top choice. I've gotten mine
(when I give one) about 1/2 the time - fair enough, it 'seems'.

That's my experience. Players do get their top 1 or two choices in most (I'd estimate 90% of cases). Players will always recall the time they got their 5th choice but not the times they've got their 1st choice I've found... :slight_smile: (Never had an email except once for a WW player saying - cool I've got the nation I wanted!)

I don't think a discussion surrounding Changing the process is necessarily
fair when I don't believe we're well informed as to the current process.

What information do you need? I brought this up partially to bring rise to a potential problem and a potential solution.

If the question were: Should we give in to the players who say "If I don't
get XXXX then I'm not playing!"

Then my answer would be: No.

Thanks
Clint

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> At 16:43 25/11/2003, Middle Earth Games wrote:

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  In the prearranged team games, nations are
allocated by agreement, and there's never much of a problem, as most people
are fairly flexible when they know that the ClL or Nol are not going to be
played by a deranged monk, who has taken a vow of silence, and will drop on
turn 6.

For Grudge games then I leave it upto the team to decide on nation allocations. One of the good things about such games is that you get specifically what you ask for - but have to organise it with the other 11 (or so) players.

  In the open game, I tend to specify which nation I want - I do
however, always say, that I don't mind how long I have to wait. That way,
in theory, I shouldn't displace anybody.

But it does have an impact - it slows games down as then I have to wait for the 25th player (or the 20th-25th player if all have specified one choice). Each player of say a 2950 game would effectively slow the game setting up by (say with rough maths) 24/25 (4% - around.) Get 5 players hold off until the next game would mean 20% delay - around an additional 3weeks delay. Actually the delay is bigger than that as I have a limited number of players.

In extreme examples a player only wanting the WW with so many players wanting it you'd wait around 10 years I've estimated!

I suppose Clint has problems, if he has players wanting specific positions,
and players who say they don't mind, so get Rhudaur, and then sulk. So the
answer is probably to say:

I'll only put you into a nation choice that you've specified. If you don't want to play it don't put it down.

That way Clint should be able to please most people,

Most players are happy enough with the choices they get I feel. Am I wrong?

Clint

Suggestions I've liked:

- Let picky players wait. If someone is willing to
wait a year for the Cloud Lord, so be it.

- In games where people play two nations, pair popular
nations with less popular ones.

- Give preference to players who haven't played a
given nation before.
  At first, I thought it might be too much work to
track all the player histories, but maybe not:
entering a new game entry doesn't sound too bad.

- let people join in groups of 2-4 and have them
choose from the nations given.

- ask for second and third choices for anyone
requesting a hot-ticket nation.

- keep encouraging people to list two or three
choices, and to try new ones! I'm hoping to try every
nation in each scenario, and it never occurred to me
before that this was a problem. Encourage vets to take
the exposed spots and newcomers to take safer ones.

"Balancing" the nations sounds more difficult, and not
necessarily effective.

Charging more for popular nations doesn't sit well
with me. They may not be more fun anyway (I've played
the Noldo only once, also with a GWC, and found it
less fun than a front-liner).

Dan N

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