just a feeling; People have a max of 20£ a month unless in steady jobs (and
have cars ;-)), so what matters is the "gaming time" that can be obtained
for the money, which in order words mean 3 nations would be better than 2
(playing 2 in one game or 1 nation in to different games). So if more people
were to play additional games or nations the changes to fill up a game or
filling of a game faster would be increased, either because th eplay more or
that the would be willing to play different nations. Does this make sense?
Cheers
Lars Bagge
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-----Original Message-----
From: Middle Earth PBM Games
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 26-11-03 20:11
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices
At present I am not 100% sure what the situation with players paying for
turns is. Would they pay more if things were run better? Would players
pay less if they had the opportunity (Easy answer yes). BUT if that
meant
less service, less variants etc would they then pay less? If by
reducing
the costs would players run more nations? Don't know and no easy way to
find out.
PBM is a shoe-string industry - we're seeing many PBM firms go to the
wall
as they cannot earn enough money - and despite a leading player in the
field with Harlequin we're not what I would call rich by any stretch of
the
imagination. (Out of the 5 ME staff there are NO car owners for
example). Out of the 10 Harl/ME staff there are 2 car owners - a beat
up
13 year old Fiesta in both cases. That's the reality of running PBM...
Clint
Hi
I believe we should turn the discussion around so to come up with a way
to
make people interested in playing the less interesting nations by some
other
way than increasing the payment for the interesting ones. Here is one
suggestion:
1) The more games you attend the less the cost per game
2) If you play more than one nation per game the less you pay for the
second
nation
3) The cost can never be reduced below 3£ and are of course following
the
general price development
This might make people want to play more and they will become less
interested in a particularly nation since they might want to attend
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Yes but each player turn takes us time to run. So less money coming in more turns to run is a bad thing for us. Hence a bad thing for you the players.
Clint
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At 19:19 26/11/03, you wrote:
just a feeling; People have a max of 20£ a month unless in steady jobs (and
have cars ;-)), so what matters is the "gaming time" that can be obtained
for the money, which in order words mean 3 nations would be better than 2
(playing 2 in one game or 1 nation in to different games). So if more people
were to play additional games or nations the changes to fill up a game or
filling of a game faster would be increased, either because th eplay more or
that the would be willing to play different nations. Does this make sense?
Cheers
Lars Bagge
-----Original Message-----
From: Middle Earth PBM Games
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 26-11-03 20:11
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices
At present I am not 100% sure what the situation with players paying for
turns is. Would they pay more if things were run better? Would players
pay less if they had the opportunity (Easy answer yes). BUT if that
meant
less service, less variants etc would they then pay less? If by
reducing
the costs would players run more nations? Don't know and no easy way to
find out.
PBM is a shoe-string industry - we're seeing many PBM firms go to the
wall
as they cannot earn enough money - and despite a leading player in the
field with Harlequin we're not what I would call rich by any stretch of
the
imagination. (Out of the 5 ME staff there are NO car owners for
example). Out of the 10 Harl/ME staff there are 2 car owners - a beat
up
13 year old Fiesta in both cases. That's the reality of running PBM...
Clint
>Hi
>
>I believe we should turn the discussion around so to come up with a way
to
>make people interested in playing the less interesting nations by some
other
>way than increasing the payment for the interesting ones. Here is one
>suggestion:
>
>1) The more games you attend the less the cost per game
>2) If you play more than one nation per game the less you pay for the
second
>nation
>3) The cost can never be reduced below 3£ and are of course following
the
>general price development
>
>This might make people want to play more and they will become less
>interested in a particularly nation since they might want to attend
another
>game playing whatever nation.
>
>Cheers
>Lars Bagge
>
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2 nation games would fix most of these problems with minimal effort
IMO. However drops become more of a problem when they occur.
As for the team concept, all I meant was that most everyone has
played with someone they enjoyed playing with. I would suggest those
of like style or that enjoy playing together; join games together
thus giving more choices of nations. If a 4 player team gets awarded
4 nations then let the players decide who gets what. Another example
I have a friend that wants to play the CL (since GSI ran things) I
would play any other DS if he could get the CL. Generally duos or
teams are more likely to take less desired positions if one of their
players gets what he/she really wants.
I would give the Woodmen a try if I knew the Rangers, Noldo etc were
kick ass players.
Since you can't alter some of the positions no answer is going to
be 100% fair/agreeable to all
2 nation games would fix most of these problems with minimal effort
IMO. However drops become more of a problem when they occur.
RD: Agree; but if a player drops, his 2 nations could always be split meaning 2 players play 3 nations each rather than one player playing four.
As for the team concept, all I meant was that most everyone has
played with someone they enjoyed playing with. I would suggest those
of like style or that enjoy playing together; join games together
thus giving more choices of nations. If a 4 player team gets awarded
4 nations then let the players decide who gets what. Another example
I have a friend that wants to play the CL (since GSI ran things) I
would play any other DS if he could get the CL. Generally duos or
teams are more likely to take less desired positions if one of their
players gets what he/she really wants.
I would give the Woodmen a try if I knew the Rangers, Noldo etc were
kick ass players.
Since you can't alter some of the positions no answer is going to
be 100% fair/agreeable to all
IMO of course
RD: Pairs, duos whatever you want to call them are a good idea but that's not what Clint is asking about. He's asking about players who join as individuals. Newbies in particular may not know any other players so be unable to form a group.
Unless Clint puts them into a group? Perhaps with an experienced mentor?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Torvanus
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices
RD: Pairs, duos whatever you want to call them are a good idea but that's not what Clint is asking about. He's asking about players who join as individuals. Newbies in particular may not know any other players so be unable to form a group.
Unless Clint puts them into a group? Perhaps with an experienced mentor?
I always get some experienced players to look after newbies in the game. Part of the reason we developed Bofa was to
1) Sort the wheat from the chaff. Often ME is not the game for players so it does least harm then. This looks after the "proper" game when they move on and join that.
2) Teach the new players more slowly so that they could get a good grasp of the game with minimal headaches.
3) Get a game where we could get designated players to look after new players. It usually works (not always) but usually.
Then with the bigger game they've got an idea and then go from there with other players to look after them. It seems to work out quite well.
