ME One nation choices

Whatever ny differences with Harley may be, I want the company to prosper. Since Harley is so variant crazy, let me propose this:

For the pickup games the Noldo and Cloud Lord are put out for bid. They go to the highest bidder within a certain date. That is an "English" bid, or a "sealed" bid, not a "Dutch" bid.

In 12 years of play I never got to play either position. Just recently, I picked up a dropped Noldo position but the CL still eludes me. Since I have more money than good sense, I can finally play the Cloud Lord.
Ed Mills

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From: Middle Earth PBM Games <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
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Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:31:05 +0000

Yes but each player turn takes us time to run. So less money coming in more
turns to run is a bad thing for us. Hence a bad thing for you the players.

Clint

At 19:19 26/11/03, you wrote:
> just a feeling; People have a max of 20� a month unless in steady jobs (and
>have cars ;-)), so what matters is the "gaming time" that can be obtained
>for the money, which in order words mean 3 nations would be better than 2
>(playing 2 in one game or 1 nation in to different games). So if more people
>were to play additional games or nations the changes to fill up a game or
>filling of a game faster would be increased, either because th eplay more or
>that the would be willing to play different nations. Does this make sense?
>
>Cheers
>Lars Bagge
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Middle Earth PBM Games
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: 26-11-03 20:11
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices
>
>At present I am not 100% sure what the situation with players paying for
>
>turns is. Would they pay more if things were run better? Would players
>
>pay less if they had the opportunity (Easy answer yes). BUT if that
>meant
>less service, less variants etc would they then pay less? If by
>reducing
>the costs would players run more nations? Don't know and no easy way to
>
>find out.
>
>PBM is a shoe-string industry - we're seeing many PBM firms go to the
>wall
>as they cannot earn enough money - and despite a leading player in the
>field with Harlequin we're not what I would call rich by any stretch of
>the
>imagination. (Out of the 5 ME staff there are NO car owners for
>example). Out of the 10 Harl/ME staff there are 2 car owners - a beat
>up
>13 year old Fiesta in both cases. That's the reality of running PBM...
>
>Clint
>
> >Hi
> >
> >I believe we should turn the discussion around so to come up with a way
>to
> >make people interested in playing the less interesting nations by some
>other
> >way than increasing the payment for the interesting ones. Here is one
> >suggestion:
> >
> >1) The more games you attend the less the cost per game
> >2) If you play more than one nation per game the less you pay for the
>second
> >nation
> >3) The cost can never be reduced below 3� and are of course following
>the
> >general price development
> >
> >This might make people want to play more and they will become less
> >interested in a particularly nation since they might want to attend
>another
> >game playing whatever nation.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Lars Bagge
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Since Harley is so variant crazy, let me propose this:

At player request! :slight_smile: If we're variant crazy then it's only because that's what the players want. Aren't you a player of Grudge, Wotr variant, 6v6 Grudge game, alternate 12v12 game with special rules and other such? I don't see that as a bad thing though. Glad we can offer such games.

For the pickup games the Noldo and Cloud Lord are put out for bid. They go
to the highest bidder within a certain date. That is an "English" bid, or a
"sealed" bid, not a "Dutch" bid.

Um not a fan of this. It would be interesting to see if players who complain that we're too expensive starting coughing up the cash though... :slight_smile: In all seriousness I don't want it to be a "who pays the most gets the most" - I prefer a fair system where we treat everyone equally fairly. That needs reciprical treatment by players though.

Clint

Whatever ny differences with Harley may be, I want the company to prosper.
Since Harley is so variant crazy, let me propose this:

For the pickup games the Noldo and Cloud Lord are put out for bid. They

go

to the highest bidder within a certain date. That is an "English" bid, or

a

"sealed" bid, not a "Dutch" bid.

In 12 years of play I never got to play either position. Just recently, I
picked up a dropped Noldo position but the CL still eludes me. Since I

have

more money than good sense, I can finally play the Cloud Lord.
Ed Mills

RD: Well if there are any more like-minded people to Ed out there, Harle
could make a fortune (and help fund the rest of us poor b***ers who still
have to work for a living). Why stop at Noldo and Cloud Lord? Why not
auction EVERY position to the highest bidder? Even if Rhudaur or Rhun
Easterlings went for just �1 (reserve price!) Harle would make money and
wouldn't the little guys love it if they whupped the big spenders?

Richard.

>From: Middle Earth PBM Games <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:31:05 +0000
>
>Yes but each player turn takes us time to run. So less money coming in

more

>turns to run is a bad thing for us. Hence a bad thing for you the

players.

>
>Clint
>
> > just a feeling; People have a max of 20� a month unless in steady

jobs

>(and
> >have cars ;-)), so what matters is the "gaming time" that can be

obtained

> >for the money, which in order words mean 3 nations would be better than

2

> >(playing 2 in one game or 1 nation in to different games). So if more
>people
> >were to play additional games or nations the changes to fill up a game

or

> >filling of a game faster would be increased, either because th eplay

more

>or
> >that the would be willing to play different nations. Does this make
>sense?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Lars Bagge
> >
> >From: Middle Earth PBM Games
> >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: 26-11-03 20:11
> >Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices
> >
> >At present I am not 100% sure what the situation with players paying

for

> >
> >turns is. Would they pay more if things were run better? Would

players

> >
> >pay less if they had the opportunity (Easy answer yes). BUT if that
> >meant
> >less service, less variants etc would they then pay less? If by
> >reducing
> >the costs would players run more nations? Don't know and no easy way

to

> >
> >find out.
> >
> >PBM is a shoe-string industry - we're seeing many PBM firms go to the
> >wall
> >as they cannot earn enough money - and despite a leading player in the
> >field with Harlequin we're not what I would call rich by any stretch of
> >the
> >imagination. (Out of the 5 ME staff there are NO car owners for
> >example). Out of the 10 Harl/ME staff there are 2 car owners - a beat
> >up
> >13 year old Fiesta in both cases. That's the reality of running PBM...
> >
> >Clint
> >
> >
> > >Hi
> > >
> > >I believe we should turn the discussion around so to come up with a

way

> >to
> > >make people interested in playing the less interesting nations by

some

> >other
> > >way than increasing the payment for the interesting ones. Here is one
> > >suggestion:
> > >
> > >1) The more games you attend the less the cost per game
> > >2) If you play more than one nation per game the less you pay for the
> >second
> > >nation
> > >3) The cost can never be reduced below 3� and are of course following
> >the
> > >general price development
> > >
> > >This might make people want to play more and they will become less
> > >interested in a particularly nation since they might want to attend
> >another
> > >game playing whatever nation.
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >Lars Bagge
> > >
> > >
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Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Re: ME One nation choices

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Middle Earth PBM Games wrote:

I prefer a fair system where we treat everyone equally
fairly. That needs reciprical treatment by players though.

Why not simply allocate the nations randomly?

Gavin

Bacause players would hate that. :slight_smile:

Clint

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Middle Earth PBM Games wrote:

> I prefer a fair system where we treat everyone equally
> fairly. That needs reciprical treatment by players though.

Why not simply allocate the nations randomly?

Gavin

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Oh good grief. The amount of whingeing going on whenever you propose a
change or whenever someone doesn't like a decision plus the threats to drop
if they don't get their way... It's becoming more than a little annoying.

Gavin

Middle Earth PBM Games wrote:

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Bacause players would hate that. :slight_smile:

Clint

Middle Earth PBM Games wrote:

I prefer a fair system where we treat everyone equally
fairly. That needs reciprical treatment by players though.

Why not simply allocate the nations randomly?

Gavin

Clint's selling a product. If the product is changed so that some of the
consumers stop buying, he loses. That's what people are saying
here. Saying "I wouldn't like that, so I would not play" is no less
reasonable or threatening that saying to a market researcher "No, if you
put purple food colouring in my baked beans, I'd be less, rather than more
inclined to buy."

Nor should it be annoying. Clint isn't asfaik formally proposing a change,
he's discussing an idea, and anyone who tells him "yes, that's great I'd go
for that" or "no, I wouldn't want that, it would make me not want to play"
is doing him a service. (Assuming reasons are given and thinking explained.)

mefacesmo.gif
     Laurence G.Tilley

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At 20:02 27/11/2003, Gavinwj wrote:

Oh good grief. The amount of whingeing going on whenever you propose a
change or whenever someone doesn't like a decision plus the threats to drop
if they don't get their way... It's becoming more than a little annoying.