As a fan of the 1 week game, I have a question regarding Time.
I just realized that all my 1 week games change season at the
same time as my 2 week games. Which, considering the 1 week game
is still considered 2 weeks game time, makes it a rreeaall lloonngg
wwiinntteerr ffoorr ssoommee ooff uuss uupp nnoorrtthh.
If you get my meaning... 
Any chance that can be "tweaked" for future 1 week games? Ie, one
year of real-time is 2 years of game time?
Regards,
Brad Brunet
ditletang@canada.com wrote
I just realized that all my 1 week games change season at the
same time as my 2 week games. Which, considering the 1 week game
is still considered 2 weeks game time, makes it a rreeaall lloonngg
wwiinntteerr ffoorr ssoommee ooff uuss uupp nnoorrtthh.
It's meant to fit in with the seasons in RL for some reason. Guess they
thought we could role play it better if we were in our woolly long johns
at the same time that the game was in winter. Though actually I always
find the season changes to be about a month later than the UK weather,
so perhaps its set for California or something.
Nonetheless, it sound to me like you need to forward a stronger argument
for your requested tweak. The fact that winter takes a long time
doesn't really convince me of a pressing need for change.
Regards,
Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/
Definitely not California or Texas or Florida. We dont have a winter.
Deni K. Garrett
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From: "Laurence G. Tilley" <laurence@lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Time
ditletang@canada.com wrote
>I just realized that all my 1 week games change season at the
>same time as my 2 week games. Which, considering the 1 week game
>is still considered 2 weeks game time, makes it a rreeaall lloonngg
>wwiinntteerr ffoorr ssoommee ooff uuss uupp nnoorrtthh.
It's meant to fit in with the seasons in RL for some reason. Guess they
thought we could role play it better if we were in our woolly long johns
at the same time that the game was in winter. Though actually I always
find the season changes to be about a month later than the UK weather,
so perhaps its set for California or something.
Good point. I think this would need enough programming that it isn't going
to happen. Basically the program checks the time and date on the computer
each time it runs and uses that information.
Clint
As a fan of the 1 week game, I have a question regarding Time.
I just realized that all my 1 week games change season at the
same time as my 2 week games. Which, considering the 1 week game
is still considered 2 weeks game time, makes it a rreeaall lloonngg
wwiinntteerr ffoorr ssoommee ooff uuss uupp nnoorrtthh.If you get my meaning...
Any chance that can be "tweaked" for future 1 week games? Ie, one
year of real-time is 2 years of game time?Regards,
Brad Brunet
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--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Laurence G. Tilley" <laurence@l...> wrote:
Nonetheless, it sound to me like you need to forward a stronger
argument
for your requested tweak. The fact that winter takes a long time
doesn't really convince me of a pressing need for change.Regards,
Laurence G. Tilley
Winter lasts 6 months in one game, 3 months in another. Either we
are playing the same game or we are not. Besides the obvious, there
is no "stronger" argument....If it was not hard wired it would/should
have been done the minute the person who can do so finished smacking
his head and going "You're right!". How much motivation to do the
right thing is required (wherever possible) anyway?
This would be a consideration for Lucas and his 2nd Edition....
Regards,
Brad Brunet
--- ditletang@canada.com wrote: > --- In
mepbmlist@y..., "Laurence G. Tilley"
<laurence@l...> wrote:
> Nonetheless, it sound to me like you need to
forward a stronger
argument
> for your requested tweak. The fact that winter
takes a long time
> doesn't really convince me of a pressing need for
change.
>
> Regards,
>
> Laurence G. Tilley
i've been deleting the middle messages, but I opened
this one (I was looking for more movie stuff actually
- as I heard cannes has a large LoRT event). I also
read that 50 million (thats US dollars) is being spend
on marketing for the movie. Anyone know who is
coughing up that sort of money ??? Saying 'hollywood
studio New Line' means nothing to me.
But back to your question ...
basically the seasons would be based on the real life
date - each month means a certain season, and based on
the days we can determine if a seaon chance is
approaching. Its would be complicated to change that.
To do so means throwing away the old code, and
bringing in completely new code - which counts the
number of turns that has gone, knows what season it
was when the game started, and based on the counter it
determined what season it is in. You can reset the
counter after a year so that it won't get too big.
If it was me, I would put it into the too hard basket
(as I doubt Harly are PC programmers). I would expect
them to know enough to do small changes, but for
changes like this, I would be calling in professional
programmers (anyone want to paid my airfare ?)
But look on the bright side, spring lasts twice as
long as a normal 2 week game.
din
p.s and before I get flooded with lots of plane
tickets - I can't change the m/e code. I'm still
trying to change the nation names in the middle earth
dos program 
Winter lasts 6 months in one game, 3 months in
another. Either we
are playing the same game or we are not. Besides
the obvious, there
is no "stronger" argument....If it was not hard
wired it would/should
have been done the minute the person who can do so
finished smacking
his head and going "You're right!". How much
motivation to do the
right thing is required (wherever possible) anyway?This would be a consideration for Lucas and his 2nd
Edition....Regards,
Brad Brunet>
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ditletang@canada.com wrote
Winter lasts 6 months in one game, 3 months in another. Either we
are playing the same game or we are not.
Well, _if_ I'm understanding you correctly now, I misunderstood before.
Are you saying that in the 1 week games winter lasts 6 months of real
time?
Besides the obvious, there
is no "stronger" argument....If it was not hard wired it would/should
have been done the minute the person who can do so finished smacking
his head and going "You're right!".
No, you've lost me completely there.
Regards,
Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/
LOL. You should write a 'Time Management' book. Trouble is, the 'too
hard basket' is overflowing now
Regards,
Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/
Din <din_ohtar@yahoo.com.au> wrote
If it was me, I would put it into the too hard basket
--- In mepbmlist@y..., Din <din_ohtar@y...> wrote:
i've been deleting the middle messages, but I opened
this one (I was looking for more movie stuff actually
- as I heard cannes has a large LoRT event). I also
read that 50 million (thats US dollars) is being spend
on marketing for the movie. Anyone know who is
coughing up that sort of money ??? Saying 'hollywood
studio New Line' means nothing to me.
You should check out http://www.theonering.net if you want lots of
LOTR movie stuff. It's one of the best sites around for news on the
movies and such.
As for who is footing the bill, New Line Cimena is most probably. It's
not a poor company, and should quite easily be able to foot the bill
for the PR campaign. After seeing all the pictures and trailer bits
which has been released, I for one will be bouncing up and down
waiting for December 19th. The movies aren't horribly expensive as
Hollywood movies goes these days, $100 million a piece, and add 50
million in marketing, and you have to pull in at least 150 million
worldwide to go even on each movie. "The Mummy Returns" made almost
that in 2 weeks in the US alone ($112 million after 2nd week).
Look at the other big 'fantasy' movie coming in November, just how
much PR have you seen for the Harry Potter movie compared to LotR?
No. That is not the correct interpretation. In normal two week games of
ME, the three months of winter will have 6 turns run. In a one week game,
the three months of winter will have 12 turns run. Double the amount of
turns for winter.
Deni Garrett
ditletang@canada.com wrote
>Winter lasts 6 months in one game, 3 months in another. Either we
>are playing the same game or we are not.
Well, _if_ I'm understanding you correctly now, I misunderstood before.
Are you saying that in the 1 week games winter lasts 6 months of real
time?
Thank you Deni. That is actually what I thought he meant in his first
post. In which case it's only a problem if you look at it that what.
I'd see it as twice as much control you can have over your characters
within a set period, rather than the period lasting twice as long.
Regards,
Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/
dgarrett <gtgsmom@swbell.net> wrote
ditletang@canada.com wrote
>Winter lasts 6 months in one game, 3 months in another. Either we
>are playing the same game or we are not.
Well, _if_ I'm understanding you correctly now, I misunderstood before.
Are you saying that in the 1 week games winter lasts 6 months of real
time?No. That is not the correct interpretation. In normal two week games of
ME, the three months of winter will have 6 turns run. In a one week game,
the three months of winter will have 12 turns run. Double the amount of
turns for winter
Sorry Laurence - our resources are tied up in other bits and pieces.
Working on the FS program, working on the Auto-input and ME LPE, Bree,
Rulings update, new scenarios that sort of thing, plus many other things
behind the scenes that players don't get to see (advertising, contracts,
contact with other Licensees that sort of thing). This will sidestep many
of the issues (pictures, fonts etc) we hope that players have brought up -
GSI won't do it for us. All "too hard" but thanks for your confidence in
us.
I am not sure the game should be changed this way - 3wk games have the
opposite dilemma. Yes we could consider it to be done but GSI won't do it
so I would prefer to spend time on what can be done and once that has been
done work on what can't be done.
Thanks
Clint
>If it was me, I would put it into the too hard basket
LOL. You should write a 'Time Management' book. Trouble is, the 'too
hard basket' is overflowing now
Understood. I just really liked the idea of a "Too hard" basket.
There'd be a lot less tranquiliser addiction if more people used such a
device. Mmmm... think I'll start a new religious movement/political
party to advocate it... Nope. Too hard basket.
Regards,
Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/
Middle Earth PBM Games <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote
Sorry Laurence - our resources are tied up in other bits and pieces.
Working on the FS program, working on the Auto-input and ME LPE, Bree,
Rulings update, new scenarios that sort of thing, plus many other things
behind the scenes that players don't get to see (advertising, contracts,
contact with other Licensees that sort of thing). This will sidestep many
of the issues (pictures, fonts etc) we hope that players have brought up -
GSI won't do it for us. All "too hard" but thanks for your confidence in
us.
--- In mepbmlist@y..., oysteint@i... wrote:
--- In mepbmlist@y..., Din <din_ohtar@y...> wrote:
>
> i've been deleting the middle messages, but I opened
> this one (I was looking for more movie stuff actually
> - as I heard cannes has a large LoRT event). I also
> read that 50 million (thats US dollars) is being spend
> on marketing for the movie. Anyone know who is
> coughing up that sort of money ??? Saying 'hollywood
> studio New Line' means nothing to me.
>You should check out http://www.theonering.net if you want lots of
LOTR movie stuff. It's one of the best sites around for news on the
movies and such.
Great site, lots of content, but nothing on the finances so far as I
recall. I think http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ (mine) is the
only site which went in for that esoteric financing stuff. I could
be mistaken. TORN, if they have anything in depth, are most likely
to have scans of lengthy articles published in New Zealand (they are
great about putting up scans like that).
New Line Cinema financed production of the movies through New Zealand
banks and New Zealand government grants.
I've heard no word on where the money for the marketing is coming
from. New Line Cinema may actually have had to dip into its own bank
account for that.
Of course, they are getting a lot of free publicity from the news
media and various Web sites, and they broke all records with trailer
downloads from the Internet. Their licensing partners will be
resposible for their own marketing. When "The Phantom Menace" came
out, something $1 billion was spent on marketing and promotion by the
licensing partners. Lucasfilm Ltd. and Fox spent only a few million
dollars.