Michael Barber's complaints

Hello Laurence

I know that we have a different opinion about how to run things. We do
also contact players if there is a difference between orders but we don't
always notice when inputting I am sorry to say.

In several afternoons at Allsorts I watched what went on - so cannot really
comment on them long term, only on my experience- but he had several edits
over those couple of days. We still work on the less than 1% error rating
- which I can substantiate. (Ie we hardly ever have input errors).

As far as I was aware Michael has some legitimate comments to make which we
have tried to answer. Some of his comments were, we feel, not accurate.
Some we have mentioned are not fixable by us at this present moment.

Sometimes we go with the players' feeling on things (the name thing for
example), and other times we stick to our guns.

I had hoped that we had answered Michael's comments reasonably not
"systematically shot him down in flames". :slight_smile:

Clint

I know that we have a different opinion about how to run things. We do
also contact players if there is a difference between orders but we don't
always notice when inputting I am sorry to say.

I have to reiterate, for fear that you have a wounded heart - I was not
criticising Harlequin, I was merely stating, for the record, that I was
very happy with the service I got from Allsorts (and why). You score 7
out of 10 with me, as far as service goes. That's pretty good. It just
happens that I rated Allsorts even more highly, and I shall say so.
However they are dead 'n gone, and you represent Hobson's choice. Keep
listening, keep the costs down, and in the course of time we may get
your score up higher :wink:

In several afternoons at Allsorts I watched what went on - so cannot really
comment on them long term, only on my experience- but he had several edits
over those couple of days. We still work on the less than 1% error rating
- which I can substantiate. (Ie we hardly ever have input errors).

You can't, because one of the things which REALLY galls me is when
someone says "Harlequin have made an (usually it says ANOTHER) input
error so my army has moved blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you
think I should tell them?" This makes me spit blood. In most cases of
course I persuade them that they should, but there are times when they
don't - minor errors (Character named Pheonix for Phoenix a recent one
of which you _were_ advised) and errors where the outcome is beneficial
are good examples. Admittedly this is an occasional event, but it must
distort your error figures.

I advise ALL players to check turns carefully and notify Harlequin of
ALL suspected input errors. Please do so politely - I also know that a
lot of "input errors" turn out to be player errors.

Incidentally how would you react to "You have moved my army se e se
instead of se e e se. I want you to know about it but not to change it,
as it has worked out to my favour" ?

As far as I was aware Michael has some legitimate comments to make which we
have tried to answer. Some of his comments were, we feel, not accurate.
Some we have mentioned are not fixable by us at this present moment.
Sometimes we go with the players' feeling on things (the name thing for
example), and other times we stick to our guns.
I had hoped that we had answered Michael's comments reasonably not
"systematically shot him down in flames". :slight_smile:

I thought your tone was harsh. MB often deserves to be shot down in
flames when he is talking his strategic cr*p. God knows, I always try
to oblige, and MB gives as good as he gets! But in this case I felt his
thoughts deserved better than a one by one rejection.

Conscious that all this came at you when you were feeling 'under the
weather', hope you're feeling better now. MB really should stop
experimenting with those occult Sickness spells.

Regards,

Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/

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Clint Oldridge <allsorts@compuserve.com> wrote

Yes we can only go on what we are reported. Even so we are way under the 1%
that way.

You can't, because one of the things which REALLY galls me is when
someone says "Harlequin have made an (usually it says ANOTHER) input
error so my army has moved blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you
think I should tell them?" This makes me spit blood. In most cases of
course I persuade them that they should, but there are times when they
don't - minor errors (Character named Pheonix for Phoenix a recent one
of which you _were_ advised) and errors where the outcome is beneficial
are good examples. Admittedly this is an occasional event, but it must
distort your error figures.

I advise ALL players to check turns carefully and notify Harlequin of
ALL suspected input errors. Please do so politely - I also know that a
lot of "input errors" turn out to be player errors.

Most actually.... :slight_smile:

Incidentally how would you react to "You have moved my army se e se
instead of se e e se. I want you to know about it but not to change it,
as it has worked out to my favour" ?

We would do the edit. If we are advised of a mistake we do it - even if it
is detrimental to the player. Obviously if the player just said, you did
this wrong, but don't change it we are happy to help out by not doing the
edit. EG We had a Challenge in ME46 against one of your DS characters which
was 4-1 (or 3-1) in our favour which ended up with our 2nd best agent
snuffing it... :frowning:

I thought your tone was harsh. MB often deserves to be shot down in
flames when he is talking his strategic cr*p. God knows, I always try
to oblige, and MB gives as good as he gets! But in this case I felt his
thoughts deserved better than a one by one rejection.

Some of the stuff I agreed with. Some was items that are unable to help out
with anymore. Not rejections.

Conscious that all this came at you when you were feeling 'under the
weather', hope you're feeling better now. MB really should stop
experimenting with those occult Sickness spells.

Yeh - Curse from a distance - nasty boys... :slight_smile: Hardly ever get ill as
well... :frowning:

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Regards,

Laurence G. Tilley http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk/

Yes we can only go on what we are reported. Even so we are way under the

1%

that way.

To put under 1% into perspective someone playing in 3 games with an average
of 18 characters in each (54 characters = 108 orders) will have 1 input
error every 2 weeks. This seems a lot! However I play 4 positions at the
present (72 characters = 144 orders per fortnight) I have the occasional
input error - it is not every turn it is maybe every 1 every 3 or 4 turns.
Lets say their error rate with me is point 25% - thats not bad especialy
when you consider that Harlequin ALWAYS correct a genuine error without
question. So looks to me (if I am average) that error rate is WELL UNDER 1%
and Clint is selling himself short here.

I very much value the service from Harlequin and don't mind paying for it. I
do not object to "admin fees". I do think statements of account should be
available however but would only want to see one every three months or so.

Regards

Mike

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