More Riddles

We�re having a very difficult time with the new 4th age in Brazil. We have never seen the riddles there and I guess that some of them are not very well translated (probably the translators didn�t have the answers to translate properly).
So, I need some more help, if you please... :slight_smile:

The riddle is something similar to:

Was a horrible race to see for a start
They are of a ancient line forged to war
It is Quenya for those taken off of the cold
Better disputed by the so brave dwarf

Rener

      <>s
        *RLCS*

Com os sinceros cumprimentos de Rener de Larte, Rhesus, Mago et coetera
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"Nature is not cruel, only pitilessly indifferent. This lesson is one of the hardest for humans to learn. We cannot accept that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous: indifferent to all suffering, lacking all purpose."
   -- Richard Dawkins

Here is the english version.

In the first was a race terrible to see
  forged for war from older stock they be.
    It's Quenya for those out of the cold
      fought best by Dwarves oh so bold.
Answer: URULOKI

Good luck to ya.
Fred

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Rener de Larte <renerdl@u...>wrote:
We´re having a very difficult time with the new 4th age in Brazil.
We have never seen the riddles there and I guess that some of them
are not very well translated (probably the translators didn´t have
the answers to translate properly).
So, I need some more help, if you please... :slight_smile:
The riddle is something similar to:
Was a horrible race to see for a start
They are of a ancient line forged to war
It is Quenya for those taken off of the cold
Better disputed by the so brave dwarf

Rener

tuormo wrote:

Here is the english version.

In the first was a race terrible to see
forged for war from older stock they be.
   It's Quenya for those out of the cold
     fought best by Dwarves oh so bold.
Answer: URULOKI

Thank you very much!

Is there somewhere in the internet where theese riddles have been post? I can only find the ones of the 1650...

Thank you very much!

Is there somewhere in the internet where theese riddles have been

post?

This is probably not the entire FA riddle list but here are a bunch
of them. I will leave the answers off so you can reread your
tolkien books over and over again to figure them out when your bored.

Fred

A man it was that gave dwelling places to these,
    those who comprised the same of different names.
        A name given in Eldar lore for those who did not repose
            in a land blessed by those who came.

A marker they were meant to be,
   erected not by one nor by three.
      Visages two with helm and axe
         they guarded the flow through the cracks.

A northern border was it
  siding a lake by three.
    The peak of the spur was it
      of no doubt there could be.

A Sindarin word for one of three
      that raised their fingers to the sky.
           Here within living rock a chamber be.
             An endless stair to lead to on high.

Above a gate,
   above a wall,
     one of the greatest to guard them all.

Ba -> Bo _> BO -> Br -> Br -> Bo ->
    A name is want I want to hear,
      so say it out loud and clear.

Before the extinguishing of the light
  before the coming of the Darkest Dark
    it arose as a mighty sight
      til the flood did render it stark.

Before the red flame flew from the north
  one king did order what men to sally forth.
    Down he went to the unstoppable flame
     and twas only a descendant who erased the blame.

Beleriand.
    Ered Wethrin.
       Ered Lomin.

B O H M B D I F M ???

Far to the east of a place long gone,
   lay that from which nine did sail.
     It was the day of downfall, thetrace of dawn,
      and here did they tread last on that from which they did hail.

Fleet was he when he did fly
      down the road under the sky.
         Friend was he to both dwarf and elf
            used when speed and courage demanded more of self

From out of the war of Great Jewels,
     came one of a pair of stings.
         taken from he so Trollish cruel,
           left in honor with tombish things.

Glowing with blood both morn and night
  Cruelty high within its sight
    Its gate, its pass had reputation dire
      so was the lore of this dreaded spire.

Honored by this Elven name
   a male named for him just the same
      His honor wained as time went by
          till his surrender to the lidless eye

Houses in the snow.
   Bones on their feet.
     Who is it that we know
        who so lives without heat?

In aura of blue light
  it warned of nearing fight.

In a forest lived he
  as hearty as the proverbial tree
    During the struggle he helped as he could
       but, in the end, he did as he would.

In earlier times a man known in grey
  was suddenly at a loss for what to say.
    Words, commands, and phrases left it bound
      til at this attempt at entry did sound.

In the first was a race terrible to see
  forged for war from older stock they be.
    It's Quenya for those out of the cold
      fought best by Dwarves oh so bold.

In wagons they came
   In chariots they fought.
      Stirred by Sauron they were not really to blame
        But destruction is what they sought and were taught.
                                                           
It is of the most ancient form
  And tells of those of the Three Houses.
    They who fought the Dark til ne'er lost
      Who risked all with their brothers no matter the cost.
        A heroic voyage enabled them to survive the dire test
          and in return were gladly given the West.

It was an age of deed and tale
   of little joy and much travail.
      Long was it before the eye did close and we saw the sun.
         How many was it now that it's done.

Its making was known to only one.
  Harder than anything when it was done.
    Gifted to hold and snare the light
      the three made of it were a wondrous sight.

Most beautiful child at the end of the first
  Torn between love and family, she felt she would burst.
    But choose she did and much evil overcame
      Beauty, charm, and nobility were embodied by her name.

Named in numenorion form
  He led seven hundred into the besieging storm.
    A mighty warrior on fiend and before gate
      Prince he, His daughter king wed by fate.

Not the first but the last.
  A drink of red was her due.
    For terror was she known in days gone past
      She brooked no favorites as some were wont to do.

One apart was I known.
  Of my deeds tales were sown.
    In olden days I often asked why
      but with sting and ring it became do or die.

Rebel maiden most royal
  Kin bereft by war, in repentance did she toil.
    An enemy most bitter to the one Dark Lord.
      From whom did we get this radiant sword?

Remarkable wonders that gleamed so bright
  yet kept for themselves out of everyones sight
    used for storage for fortresses around
      not til the fourth would the beauty be found.

Round its tower was kept a watch
     by those with eyes so keen.
       But its deep darkness was not such
          as to keep the elven lights unseen.

Second only to he that was first
   King of that which rarely relieves thirst.
     Many there were whose faith in him was huge
       His one reward was to suggest a lasting refuge.

Silmaril cutter maker

Stone of white
  soft flickering light.
    Of wondrous material it be
      that which was second of the three.

The hero of the third,
   his deeds are often heard.
     Of his trial many do sing,
       except in the households that surround his offspring.

The king listened to what he did say
  and promised a Rohan woman to him as pay.
    But found to be serving good gone bad
      he lost his life to hobbits in tale so sad.

The war of the third
  which brought about the end of the rule.
    a war most civil where fleets were the tool
      and the deaths of kings were frequently heard.

The west of the middle
  where dwelt the grey
    who so in love did heed the ancient call little
      til swallowed by that held at bay.

They say it was part of a man,
   and that it was for those who went by sea.
      Where once radiance, then it did wan
         leaving unending evening for all to see

They say that this was protected by a fence
  and that two only passed and went hence.
    But soon elf and dwarven passion would come into play
      and as it fell, elf fought elf to die that day.

This secret was while fishing made.
  A discovery for which many would have paid.
    Fortunate to have a friend around
      but unfortunate so as to death be bound.

When the elder race
     did festival embrace
       garden flowers in both sun and shade
         gave their all for this to be made!

Rener,

We hired professional translators to help us during the 4th Age translation process, and they were also BIG Tolkien fans, so I think they did a great work. You�re having problems because when you play the 1650 scenario you have all answers on the internet sites (so easy) and now you have to try them by yourself.

Yes, it�s harder this way, but that�s the idea! :slight_smile: Try to figure out the answers is part of the game (specially if it�s a new game - at least for brazilian players).

Joao Eduardo
Anel Um PBM (brazilian licencee)

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rener de Larte" <renerdl@uol.com.br>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:19 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] More Riddles

We�re having a very difficult time with the new 4th age in Brazil. We
have never seen the riddles there and I guess that some of them are not
very well translated (probably the translators didn�t have the answers
to translate properly).
So, I need some more help, if you please... :slight_smile:

The riddle is something similar to:

Was a horrible race to see for a start
They are of a ancient line forged to war
It is Quenya for those taken off of the cold
Better disputed by the so brave dwarf

Rener

                  <>s
                    *RLCS*

Com os sinceros cumprimentos de Rener de Larte, Rhesus, Mago et coetera
ICQ- 1576257 e-mail- renerdl@uol.com.br

"Nature is not cruel, only pitilessly indifferent. This lesson is one of the hardest for humans to learn. We cannot accept that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous: indifferent to all suffering, lacking all purpose."
   -- Richard Dawkins

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Joao wrote:

Rener,

We hired professional translators to help us during the 4th Age translation process, and they were also BIG Tolkien fans, so I think they did a great work. You�re having problems because when you play the 1650 scenario you have all answers on the internet sites (so easy) and now you have to try them by yourself.

But even beeing big tolkien fans, I believe that if you dont have the answers, it is more difficult to translate something that has an intention to be confusing. And the riddles in the fourth age, as I see, are far more complex than the ones in the 1650.

And well, the two riddles that I have compared are obviously more clear in english.

Rener