New 2950

2950 2wk [Game 27]: 2 nations available. No more Neutrals - all taken
(trying this out to see) [26/1] Usually takes around 3mths to fill a game
so if you are interested in playing soon then this is the one.

Nearly full.

Clint

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2950 2wk [Game 27]: 2 nations available. No more Neutrals - all

taken

(trying this out to see) [26/1] Usually takes around 3mths to

fill a game

so if you are interested in playing soon then this is the one.

Nearly full.

Clint

****** My, my, Clint. A regular game of 2950 filling in a few weeks,
imageine that?! And let me see, no prisoners mentioned. While the
one that took over 3 months to fill - Gm 23 - was (and has)
prisoners allowed. And you don't see the difference? How about you
offer up the next game that prisoner's are allowed in as a regular
1650 game, and then see how long that game takes to fill.

Don Palmer
Dwarf - 23

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "ME Games Ltd" <me@M...> wrote:

> 2950 2wk [Game 27]: 2 nations available. No more Neutrals - all
taken
> (trying this out to see) [26/1] Usually takes around 3mths to
fill a game
> so if you are interested in playing soon then this is the one.
>
> Nearly full.
>
> Clint

****** My, my, Clint. A regular game of 2950 filling in a few weeks,
imageine that?! And let me see, no prisoners mentioned. While the
one that took over 3 months to fill - Gm 23 - was (and has)
prisoners allowed. And you don't see the difference? How about you
offer up the next game that prisoner's are allowed in as a regular
1650 game, and then see how long that game takes to fill.

It's nothing to do with the prisoner. The reason is that we had 3 2950 games end recently. I also pushed all the 1650/2950 players that were happy with either to play 2950 and am trying this with the Neutrals taken as well (last game I had 8 so it took me a while to sort that out and then I had others join so we went above 25 players).

You might be right though; I'd have to poll the players but I'm pretty sure it's the above. :slight_smile: If players want to play 1650 that's fine with me, whatever their status in life we don't discriminate.

Clint

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This seems to have been rumbling on for years. What the hell is the
problem with playing with prisoners? If you are really that worried by
it, you don't have to give out your full details.

As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant Editor of Flagship hat
on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this field -- including
officials in two American prisons which allow their inmates to play
PBM games. Anyone that is considered psycologically unsuitable is not
permitted to take part in what is, after all, a priviledge. You will
not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in these games, at
least, not from amongst the prisoner population.

Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to prisoners playing MEPBM?

Colin Forbes.

The real issue is with limited communications in a team strategy environment. In a given scenario, I sent printouts of all turns, synopsis of strategy, prepaid overnight envelopes etc. to a prisoner. MEPBM is won or lost as a team. For me, it is worth the money to give the odd man out as much info as possible, but some folks would probably rather not fool with it.

Jason Mele

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Colin Forbes
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:00 PM
  Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950

  This seems to have been rumbling on for years. What the hell is the
  problem with playing with prisoners? If you are really that worried by
  it, you don't have to give out your full details.

  As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant Editor of Flagship hat
  on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this field -- including
  officials in two American prisons which allow their inmates to play
  PBM games. Anyone that is considered psycologically unsuitable is not
  permitted to take part in what is, after all, a priviledge. You will
  not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in these games, at
  least, not from amongst the prisoner population.

  Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to prisoners playing MEPBM?

  Colin Forbes.

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I've played for years with prisoners in both Hyborian
War and MEPBM. No biggie. Some logisitcal issues,
but they dont get any personal info, what's the
difference.

JB

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--- Colin Forbes <colin@timewyrm.co.uk> wrote:

This seems to have been rumbling on for years. What
the hell is the
problem with playing with prisoners? If you are
really that worried by
it, you don't have to give out your full details.

As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant
Editor of Flagship hat
on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this
field -- including
officials in two American prisons which allow their
inmates to play
PBM games. Anyone that is considered psycologically
unsuitable is not
permitted to take part in what is, after all, a
priviledge. You will
not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in
these games, at
least, not from amongst the prisoner population.

Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to
prisoners playing MEPBM?

Colin Forbes.

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In game 233 SG was a prisoner and never sent the first troop into
battle. That is a bad thing.

I do not care about playing with someone incarcerated but the
inability to communicate is a hindrance. Of course you can always
play DS in 2950 as I have yet to play with a prisoner as a DS in 2950.
Personally I wish there was a way to even it out (1 prisoner per
team) rather than start a game 9 vs. 10.

What if all true "play by mail" players (this would likely include all prisoners) were only permitted in gunboat?

Jason

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----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:37 PM
  Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950

  In game 233 SG was a prisoner and never sent the first troop into
  battle. That is a bad thing.

  I do not care about playing with someone incarcerated but the
  inability to communicate is a hindrance. Of course you can always
  play DS in 2950 as I have yet to play with a prisoner as a DS in 2950.
  Personally I wish there was a way to even it out (1 prisoner per
  team) rather than start a game 9 vs. 10.

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Game 113 had 3 DS inmates. We won and coordinated with them. They would mail their previous turns with notes to a member of the team and somone would get all of our turns printed and mailed with planning notes within 2 days of turns running. I enjoyed it... I also enjoyed talking with team members and Neutrals over the phone better than email too.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Torvanus" <torvanus@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:37 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950

In game 233 SG was a prisoner and never sent the first troop into
battle. That is a bad thing.

I do not care about playing with someone incarcerated but the
inability to communicate is a hindrance. Of course you can always
play DS in 2950 as I have yet to play with a prisoner as a DS in 2950.
Personally I wish there was a way to even it out (1 prisoner per
team) rather than start a game 9 vs. 10.

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This seems to have been rumbling on for years. What the hell is the
problem with playing with prisoners? If you are really that

worried by

it, you don't have to give out your full details.

As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant Editor of Flagship

hat

on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this field -- including
officials in two American prisons which allow their inmates to play
PBM games. Anyone that is considered psycologically unsuitable is

not

permitted to take part in what is, after all, a priviledge. You

will

not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in these games, at
least, not from amongst the prisoner population.

Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to prisoners playing

MEPBM?

Colin Forbes.

**** Colin, you missed my point, that was discussed briefly here
before Game 23 was filled recently. That point was that by allowing
prisoners only in the 2950 scenario, games seemed to fill much
slower. I offered to Clint then, as I did now, that he try offering
a 1650 game with prisoners allowed instead since the fill so much
faster and have a larger player base.

As others have pointed out, there are ways to try and alleviate and
work around this. We shall see, as I was in Game 233 where the SG
player was a non-show for communication according to our enemies,
and that certainly made for less fun for all involved. I just happen
to be playing with a prisoner now in 23 as well...

Don Palmer

···

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Forbes" <colin@t...> wrote:

That point was that by allowing prisoners only in the 2950 scenario, games seemed to fill much slower.

** It filled at pretty much the normal rate IMO. I've tried to explain why the current game filled more quickly.

Clint

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Simply a communcation/coordination issue. Recent game 233, SG was a prisoner who communicated 3 times in the first 6 turns then disappeared never to be heard from again. NG got no help, ever, and SG was virtually conquered without any help from the rest of the team - we had to scry his nation to find out what was going on. Not the only reason we lost that game, but it doesn't help now, does it?

I wouldn't sign up for a game with prisoners in it because it wouldn't be fair to everyone else when I dropped immediatley upon discovering he/she/they were on my team. Nothing to do with personal information/safety concerns.

Brad Brunet

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Briggs" <john_h_briggs@yahoo.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950

I've played for years with prisoners in both Hyborian
War and MEPBM. No biggie. Some logisitcal issues,
but they dont get any personal info, what's the
difference.

JB

--- Colin Forbes <colin@timewyrm.co.uk> wrote:

This seems to have been rumbling on for years. What
the hell is the
problem with playing with prisoners? If you are
really that worried by
it, you don't have to give out your full details.

As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant
Editor of Flagship hat
on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this
field -- including
officials in two American prisons which allow their
inmates to play
PBM games. Anyone that is considered psycologically
unsuitable is not
permitted to take part in what is, after all, a
priviledge. You will
not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in
these games, at
least, not from amongst the prisoner population.

Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to
prisoners playing MEPBM?

Colin Forbes.

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Re: Prisoners

As long as "The Company" preannounces that prisoners are playing, I think they have met their obligation to the membership.

Now, I wish "The Company" would preannounce when mini-teams are in a game. Recently, ten random individuals ended up playing against a four man mini-team and a three man mini-team in the same game. Obviously, "The Company" does not preannounce the existence of mini-teams because wgo would want to face those odds up front? Only other mini=teams.
Ed Mills

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From: "Brad Brunet" <bbrunec296@rogers.com>
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To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:22:36 -0500

Simply a communcation/coordination issue. Recent game 233, SG was a
prisoner who communicated 3 times in the first 6 turns then disappeared
never to be heard from again. NG got no help, ever, and SG was virtually
conquered without any help from the rest of the team - we had to scry his
nation to find out what was going on. Not the only reason we lost that
game, but it doesn't help now, does it?

I wouldn't sign up for a game with prisoners in it because it wouldn't be
fair to everyone else when I dropped immediatley upon discovering
he/she/they were on my team. Nothing to do with personal information/safety
concerns.

Brad Brunet

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Briggs" <john_h_briggs@yahoo.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950

I've played for years with prisoners in both Hyborian
War and MEPBM. No biggie. Some logisitcal issues,
but they dont get any personal info, what's the
difference.

JB

--- Colin Forbes <colin@timewyrm.co.uk> wrote:

>
> This seems to have been rumbling on for years. What
> the hell is the
> problem with playing with prisoners? If you are
> really that worried by
> it, you don't have to give out your full details.
>
> As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant
> Editor of Flagship hat
> on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this
> field -- including
> officials in two American prisons which allow their
> inmates to play
> PBM games. Anyone that is considered psycologically
> unsuitable is not
> permitted to take part in what is, after all, a
> priviledge. You will
> not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in
> these games, at
> least, not from amongst the prisoner population.
>
> Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to
> prisoners playing MEPBM?
>
> Colin Forbes.
>

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Generally I balance teams so that there are min-teams on both sides. Virtually all games have such teams so it would be more clear if we announced that they didn't have this. Which game are you talking about so that I can investigate this please?

Clint

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As long as "The Company" preannounces that prisoners are playing, I think
they have met their obligation to the membership.

Now, I wish "The Company" would preannounce when mini-teams are in a game.
Recently, ten random individuals ended up playing against a four man
mini-team and a three man mini-team in the same game. Obviously, "The
Company" does not preannounce the existence of mini-teams because wgo would
want to face those odds up front? Only other mini=teams.
Ed Mills

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I'm referencing the recently completed game 50. There was a thread about it in the Forum and I am suprised you seem not to have read it. Perhaps you will recall this game: It is the one where an overzealous GM intervened in such a manner as to aid the FP (which contained the two mini-teams abd former GM).
Ed Mills

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From: ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
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To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:19:18 +0000

Generally I balance teams so that there are min-teams on both
sides. Virtually all games have such teams so it would be more clear if we
announced that they didn't have this. Which game are you talking about so
that I can investigate this please?

Clint

>As long as "The Company" preannounces that prisoners are playing, I think
>they have met their obligation to the membership.
>
>Now, I wish "The Company" would preannounce when mini-teams are in a game.
>Recently, ten random individuals ended up playing against a four man
>mini-team and a three man mini-team in the same game. Obviously, "The
>Company" does not preannounce the existence of mini-teams because wgo would
>want to face those odds up front? Only other mini=teams.
>Ed Mills

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Yes you are correct that there were 2 mini-teams. But the players who joined as the biggest team (3,4,7,10 very influential positions) where very new players who left the game and the other mini-group was inexperienced but good on teamwork. So I balanced it from the newness and likelihood of not playing so well and both teams were pretty much equal - your team had a lot more experienced players for example. For the FP there were 6 (that's SIX!) takeovers and by similarly experienced players to you guys which is probably the biggest impact on the game and the reason that they won. (DS there were a few and I guess your team didn't gell so well from the comments I received).

Who was the former GM? I can't see any information about that. Also what was the "overzealous GM" intervention?

I admit that I've not read the game 50 thread in depth. Generally to keep up with all the games would take a lot of time on my part. I check in from time to time though and I'd expect that you'd not want me to do that. I've now read through it to get upto speed. Looks like Skage addressed many of your concerns there.

Seems more like a clash on the DS side if you guys felt that they deliberately bankrupted their nations. (Conrad had too little time so having met him I think he just didn't pay enough attention, SSed a bit and died - he got bored I guess). Grant I can't comment on - maybe he just run out of energy and frustrated as that was his last game? As this game ended some 5 months ago it's a little hard to recall all of the issues but I hope I've address most of them here.

I assume that you are DaneBane37 with the comments; the style and words are very Ed Mills... :slight_smile: You've made some interesting claims here and there if you'd like to substantiate your claims please do so. From Skage (and the rest of the team's comments) I can't find anything yet.

As often there are many factors in the game that need to be addressed such as for game balance and I think this was one where the FP were at a disadvantage at game start (slightly) due to having 4 new players and the other mini-team is relatively inexperienced and then replaced those 4 players (and others) and then moved onto win the game.

Ed - you are more than welcome to join games with allies. As long as they are announced to me I'll make sure that the games are as balanced as I can make them at game start. Then I leave it upto you guys to gell teams (or not as the case might be) and then go from there. Inevitably it seems how the teams work together that makes of breaks a team and eventually leads to a win or loss.

Hope that clarifies any mis-conceptions that might have arisen and brought some clarity.

Clint

···

I'm referencing the recently completed game 50. There was a thread about it
in the Forum and I am suprised you seem not to have read it. Perhaps you
will recall this game: It is the one where an overzealous GM intervened in
such a manner as to aid the FP (which contained the two mini-teams abd
former GM).
Ed Mills

>From: ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950
>Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:19:18 +0000
>
>Generally I balance teams so that there are min-teams on both
>sides. Virtually all games have such teams so it would be more clear if we
>announced that they didn't have this. Which game are you talking about so
>that I can investigate this please?
>
>Clint
>
> >As long as "The Company" preannounces that prisoners are playing, I think
> >they have met their obligation to the membership.
> >
> >Now, I wish "The Company" would preannounce when mini-teams are in a
>game.
> >Recently, ten random individuals ended up playing against a four man
> >mini-team and a three man mini-team in the same game. Obviously, "The
> >Company" does not preannounce the existence of mini-teams because wgo
>would
> >want to face those odds up front? Only other mini=teams.
> >Ed Mills
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There's always these great examples of how OK it is to play with prisoners. The examples always come from someone who hasn't just lost a game with prisoners on their side. Everytime my side wins a game in which a prisoner or two was on the other side, I have to listen to the other side cheapen our victory by saying something like "Well, if we hadn't had prisoners it would have turned out very different . . ." So if we're ok with prisoners lets stop using them for crutches! I guess it's easy to blame them as they can't reply to the emails.

Russ

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----- Original Message -----
  From: John Briggs
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950

  I've played for years with prisoners in both Hyborian
  War and MEPBM. No biggie. Some logisitcal issues,
  but they dont get any personal info, what's the
  difference.

  JB

  --- Colin Forbes <colin@timewyrm.co.uk> wrote:

  >
  > This seems to have been rumbling on for years. What
  > the hell is the
  > problem with playing with prisoners? If you are
  > really that worried by
  > it, you don't have to give out your full details.
  >
  > As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant
  > Editor of Flagship hat
  > on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this
  > field -- including
  > officials in two American prisons which allow their
  > inmates to play
  > PBM games. Anyone that is considered psycologically
  > unsuitable is not
  > permitted to take part in what is, after all, a
  > priviledge. You will
  > not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in
  > these games, at
  > least, not from amongst the prisoner population.
  >
  > Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to
  > prisoners playing MEPBM?
  >
  > Colin Forbes.
  >
  >
  >
  >

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Gentlemen, part of being a winner and being on a
winning team is coming up with solutions to problems
in the game.

To me, having prisoners in a game are just a different
twist or problem to the game. How you solve this
problem and others in the game will ultimately
determine if your side wins or not.

JCC

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--- RKF <rkfloyd@charter.net> wrote:

There's always these great examples of how OK it is
to play with prisoners. The examples always come
from someone who hasn't just lost a game with
prisoners on their side. Everytime my side wins a
game in which a prisoner or two was on the other
side, I have to listen to the other side cheapen our
victory by saying something like "Well, if we hadn't
had prisoners it would have turned out very
different . . ." So if we're ok with prisoners lets
stop using them for crutches! I guess it's easy to
blame them as they can't reply to the emails.

Russ

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John Briggs
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950

  I've played for years with prisoners in both
Hyborian
  War and MEPBM. No biggie. Some logisitcal
issues,
  but they dont get any personal info, what's the
  difference.

  JB

  --- Colin Forbes <colin@timewyrm.co.uk> wrote:

  >
  > This seems to have been rumbling on for years.
What
  > the hell is the
  > problem with playing with prisoners? If you are
  > really that worried by
  > it, you don't have to give out your full
details.
  >
  > As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant
  > Editor of Flagship hat
  > on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this
  > field -- including
  > officials in two American prisons which allow
their
  > inmates to play
  > PBM games. Anyone that is considered
psycologically
  > unsuitable is not
  > permitted to take part in what is, after all, a
  > priviledge. You will
  > not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in
  > these games, at
  > least, not from amongst the prisoner population.
  >
  > Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to
  > prisoners playing MEPBM?
  >
  > Colin Forbes.
  >
  >
  >
  >

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Russ,
As you know, I was in 233. There were lots of
problems for the FP in that game.... SG being played
by an out of contact prisoner was just 1.

There was the Dwarven player that ran away from
contact with the enemy.

There was the 3-1 neutral split with White Wizard
sitting the fence doing nothing but looking for the
One Ring ALL game.

There was a real JERK playing Dunland (yes, it was
me), that used the early game to make a point about
PRS instead of making it a fun game.

AND...... The biggest problem for the FP was a
generally slow start.... From what I saw, no real
strong sense of urgency to gain and hold advantage
from GT1. From GT7 on it was all about losing slowly.

That said, having SG, a VERY important position,
played by a prisoner, was a MAJOR problem for the
team. Then again, I can't think of a SINGLE FP
position in 2950 that doesn't need to closly
coordinate with the others..... Maybe Rangers.

Darrell (First of the FP to bail on that loser of a
game).

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--- RKF <rkfloyd@charter.net> wrote:

There's always these great examples of how OK it is
to play with prisoners. The examples always come
from someone who hasn't just lost a game with
prisoners on their side. Everytime my side wins a
game in which a prisoner or two was on the other
side, I have to listen to the other side cheapen our
victory by saying something like "Well, if we hadn't
had prisoners it would have turned out very
different . . ." So if we're ok with prisoners lets
stop using them for crutches! I guess it's easy to
blame them as they can't reply to the emails.

Russ

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John Briggs
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: New 2950

  I've played for years with prisoners in both
Hyborian
  War and MEPBM. No biggie. Some logisitcal
issues,
  but they dont get any personal info, what's the
  difference.

  JB

  --- Colin Forbes <colin@timewyrm.co.uk> wrote:

  >
  > This seems to have been rumbling on for years.
What
  > the hell is the
  > problem with playing with prisoners? If you are
  > really that worried by
  > it, you don't have to give out your full
details.
  >
  > As a former PBM GM, and also with my Assistant
  > Editor of Flagship hat
  > on, I have talked to a couple of experts in this
  > field -- including
  > officials in two American prisons which allow
their
  > inmates to play
  > PBM games. Anyone that is considered
psycologically
  > unsuitable is not
  > permitted to take part in what is, after all, a
  > priviledge. You will
  > not meet raving sociopaths and serial killers in
  > these games, at
  > least, not from amongst the prisoner population.
  >
  > Does anyone want ME Games to simply say "no" to
  > prisoners playing MEPBM?
  >
  > Colin Forbes.
  >
  >
  >
  >

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Russman, Halo 2 crash or something :slight_smile:

They would have lost in any event in 233. SG's inaction did not keep
Dol Guldur in DrL hands until turn 20ish. The DS out camped, out
armyed and flat out played the FP. That game should of ended many
turns before it did.

I think it was 2-1 split with Rhun bankrupting/dropping as a neutral
and the WW doing his ring quest.

Besides, I generally piss-off about 75% of my allies on any given
turn so you all had to put up with me, no small feat.
We had a great CL also.

There's always these great examples of how OK it is to play with

prisoners. The examples always come from someone who hasn't just lost
a game with prisoners on their side. Everytime my side wins a game in
which a prisoner or two was on the other side, I have to listen to
the other side cheapen our victory by saying something like "Well, if
we hadn't had prisoners it would have turned out very
different . . ." So if we're ok with prisoners lets stop using them
for crutches! I guess it's easy to blame them as they can't reply to
the emails.

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "RKF" <rkfloyd@c...> wrote:

Russ