New poll for mepbmlist

wow you guys must be bored!

JB

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--- Ovatha Easterling <ovatha88@hotmail.com> wrote:

Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
Ed

>From: Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
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>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
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>I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
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>Ovatha Easterling <ovatha88@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
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British, here in the
>States we are afflicted with polls that are
intended to provide a
>pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
them.
>Ed
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I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

wow you guys must be bored!

JB

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--- Ovatha Easterling <ovatha88@hotmail.com> wrote:

Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
Ed

>From: Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
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>I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
>
>Brad
>
>Ovatha Easterling <ovatha88@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
whatever it is you want
>to determine. While I can see the poll author is
British, here in the
>States we are afflicted with polls that are
intended to provide a
>pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
them.
>Ed
>
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Again, you guys are the ones writing "Stupid".

And the question was pretty straightforward, has nothing to do with "Why" to declare... There are millions of "reasons TO" declare, I've played neutrals 16 times, I know...

The simple question was regarding announcing to your enemy that you're going to attack them BEFORE you do so. That's it. Every game is different, every situation is it's own, I'll accept that. But as a general rule:

Is it the Honourable thing to do? (Commonwealth)
Is it the Honorable thing to do? (American)
Is it Silly to waste your surprise advantage?

You know, a simple Chocolate or Vanilla type choice, so you prefer pecan butternut swirl...I'm not apologizing for not offering pecan butternut swirl. I'm also not apologizing for not running my wording through the "don't mean anything or imply anything lest it offends someone" committee. This is mostly in jest, meant to be fun, etc, veil it as you will.

Brad the Simpleton

I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

John Briggs wrote:
wow you guys must be bored!

JB

--- Ovatha Easterling wrote:

···

Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:

Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
Ed

>From: Brad Brunet
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
>
>Brad
>
>Ovatha Easterling wrote:
>
>Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
whatever it is you want
>to determine. While I can see the poll author is
British, here in the
>States we are afflicted with polls that are
intended to provide a
>pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
them.
>Ed
>
> >From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:
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> >Date: 14 Apr 2005 20:25:10 -0000
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Ok, well I guess the issue is you are not asking the right question, or not getting the answer you want. The answer is your choices are unacceptable. Honor vs Silly/stupid whatever. Perhaps Strategically sound vs unsound.
But then again if the enemy has treated one well and with "honor/honour/ornery or lets say "respect" my words, then that would weigh upon whether honor is even part of the equation.
Just as terrorists, criminals, and madmen do not apply to the Geneva Convention, the wording of your poll does not apply to the question.
Now try an objective poll and maybe it will be answerable. But to ask someone to insult a desision or idealize one without any details makes no sense but rather speaks volumes as to ones mindset.
For instance one would be led to think you do not think one can be honorable/honourable and silly at the same time. Perhaps in one persons mind it is silly while in anothers it is honorable. Kind of like sacrificing your own life as a soldier so an ungrateful society can continue. One may see the soldier silly while another resects his honor/honour. While I find it silly to warn your enemy weeks in advance (like Fallujah) before you risk soldiers lives, others may find it honorable to help save the lives of those that shelter your enemy. While others find nothing honorable but only seek combativeness.
Socrates would put you through/thru the ringer if you tried such reasoning with him.
So do you wish to entertain real ideas, or waste ones time?
Your answer is
"#3 IT ALL DEPENDS" Not any Ice Cream flavor
Any further questions please refer to above answer.

Again, you guys are the ones writing "Stupid".

And the question was pretty straightforward, has nothing to do with "Why" to declare... There are millions of "reasons TO" declare, I've played neutrals 16 times, I know...

The simple question was regarding announcing to your enemy that you're going to attack them BEFORE you do so. That's it. Every game is different, every situation is it's own, I'll accept that. But as a general rule:

Is it the Honourable thing to do? (Commonwealth)
Is it the Honorable thing to do? (American)
Is it Silly to waste your surprise advantage?

You know, a simple Chocolate or Vanilla type choice, so you prefer pecan butternut swirl...I'm not apologizing for not offering pecan butternut swirl. I'm also not apologizing for not running my wording through the "don't mean anything or imply anything lest it offends someone" committee. This is mostly in jest, meant to be fun, etc, veil it as you will.

Brad the Simpleton

I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

John Briggs wrote:
wow you guys must be bored!

JB

--- Ovatha Easterling wrote:

···

Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com> wrote:
Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:

Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
Ed

>From: Brad Brunet
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
>
>Brad
>
>Ovatha Easterling wrote:
>
>Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
whatever it is you want
>to determine. While I can see the poll author is
British, here in the
>States we are afflicted with polls that are
intended to provide a
>pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
them.
>Ed
>
> >From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:
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> >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Subject:
[mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
> >Date: 14 Apr 2005 20:25:10 -0000
> >
> >
> >
> >Enter your vote today! A new poll has been
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> >Opinion on Neutrals advising of their Choice
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> >
> > o It's the Honourable thing to do
> > o It's silly and wastes their Surprise advantage
> >
> >
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OK I voted! I was given a chocalate/vanilla choice in a 32 flavor world, but I voted.

Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

wow you guys must be bored!

JB

···

John Briggs <john_h_briggs@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- Ovatha Easterling <ovatha88@hotmail.com> wrote:

Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
Ed

>From: Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
>
>Brad
>
>Ovatha Easterling <ovatha88@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
whatever it is you want
>to determine. While I can see the poll author is
British, here in the
>States we are afflicted with polls that are
intended to provide a
>pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
them.
>Ed
>
> >From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:
mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Subject:
[mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
> >Date: 14 Apr 2005 20:25:10 -0000
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I think you hit a nerve there Brad.

Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:Ok, well I guess the issue is you are not asking the right question, or not getting the answer you want. The answer is your choices are unacceptable. Honor vs Silly/stupid whatever. Perhaps Strategically sound vs unsound.
But then again if the enemy has treated one well and with "honor/honour/ornery or lets say "respect" my words, then that would weigh upon whether honor is even part of the equation.
Just as terrorists, criminals, and madmen do not apply to the Geneva Convention, the wording of your poll does not apply to the question.
Now try an objective poll and maybe it will be answerable. But to ask someone to insult a desision or idealize one without any details makes no sense but rather speaks volumes as to ones mindset.
For instance one would be led to think you do not think one can be honorable/honourable and silly at the same time. Perhaps in one persons mind it is silly while in anothers it is honorable. Kind of like sacrificing your own life as a soldier so an ungrateful society can continue. One may see the soldier silly while another resects his honor/honour. While I find it silly to warn your enemy weeks in advance (like Fallujah) before you risk soldiers lives, others may find it honorable to help save the lives of those that shelter your enemy. While others find nothing honorable but only seek combativeness.
Socrates would put you through/thru the ringer if you tried such reasoning with him.
So do you wish to entertain real ideas, or waste ones time?
Your answer is
"#3 IT ALL DEPENDS" Not any Ice Cream flavor
Any further questions please refer to above answer.

Again, you guys are the ones writing "Stupid".

And the question was pretty straightforward, has nothing to do with "Why" to declare... There are millions of "reasons TO" declare, I've played neutrals 16 times, I know...

The simple question was regarding announcing to your enemy that you're going to attack them BEFORE you do so. That's it. Every game is different, every situation is it's own, I'll accept that. But as a general rule:

Is it the Honourable thing to do? (Commonwealth)
Is it the Honorable thing to do? (American)
Is it Silly to waste your surprise advantage?

You know, a simple Chocolate or Vanilla type choice, so you prefer pecan butternut swirl...I'm not apologizing for not offering pecan butternut swirl. I'm also not apologizing for not running my wording through the "don't mean anything or imply anything lest it offends someone" committee. This is mostly in jest, meant to be fun, etc, veil it as you will.

Brad the Simpleton

I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

John Briggs wrote:
wow you guys must be bored!

JB

--- Ovatha Easterling wrote:

···

Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com> wrote:
Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:

Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
Ed

>From: Brad Brunet
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
>
>Brad
>
>Ovatha Easterling wrote:
>
>Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
whatever it is you want
>to determine. While I can see the poll author is
British, here in the
>States we are afflicted with polls that are
intended to provide a
>pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
them.
>Ed
>
> >From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:
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> >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Subject:
[mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
> >Date: 14 Apr 2005 20:25:10 -0000
> >
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> > o It's silly and wastes their Surprise advantage
> >
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Not entirely unlike me... Mind you, I think the Socrates line is supposed to be comedy...??

I think you hit a nerve there Brad.

Joe Aragon wrote:Ok, well I guess the issue is you are not asking the right question, or not getting the answer you want. The answer is your choices are unacceptable. Honor vs Silly/stupid whatever. Perhaps Strategically sound vs unsound.
But then again if the enemy has treated one well and with "honor/honour/ornery or lets say "respect" my words, then that would weigh upon whether honor is even part of the equation.
Just as terrorists, criminals, and madmen do not apply to the Geneva Convention, the wording of your poll does not apply to the question.
Now try an objective poll and maybe it will be answerable. But to ask someone to insult a desision or idealize one without any details makes no sense but rather speaks volumes as to ones mindset.
For instance one would be led to think you do not think one can be honorable/honourable and silly at the same time. Perhaps in one persons mind it is silly while in anothers it is honorable. Kind of like sacrificing your own life as a soldier so an ungrateful society can continue. One may see the soldier silly while another resects his honor/honour. While I find it silly to warn your enemy weeks in advance (like Fallujah) before you risk soldiers lives, others may find it honorable to help save the lives of those that shelter your enemy. While others find nothing honorable but only seek combativeness.
Socrates would put you through/thru the ringer if you tried such reasoning with him.
So do you wish to entertain real ideas, or waste ones time?
Your answer is
"#3 IT ALL DEPENDS" Not any Ice Cream flavor
Any further questions please refer to above answer.

Brad Brunet wrote:
Again, you guys are the ones writing "Stupid".

And the question was pretty straightforward, has nothing to do with "Why" to declare... There are millions of "reasons TO" declare, I've played neutrals 16 times, I know...

The simple question was regarding announcing to your enemy that you're going to attack them BEFORE you do so. That's it. Every game is different, every situation is it's own, I'll accept that. But as a general rule:

Is it the Honourable thing to do? (Commonwealth)
Is it the Honorable thing to do? (American)
Is it Silly to waste your surprise advantage?

You know, a simple Chocolate or Vanilla type choice, so you prefer pecan butternut swirl...I'm not apologizing for not offering pecan butternut swirl. I'm also not apologizing for not running my wording through the "don't mean anything or imply anything lest it offends someone" committee. This is mostly in jest, meant to be fun, etc, veil it as you will.

Brad the Simpleton

Joe Aragon wrote:

I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

John Briggs wrote:
wow you guys must be bored!

JB

--- Ovatha Easterling wrote:

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Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
Ed

>From: Brad Brunet
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
>
>Brad
>
>Ovatha Easterling wrote:
>
>Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
whatever it is you want
>to determine. While I can see the poll author is
British, here in the
>States we are afflicted with polls that are
intended to provide a
>pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
them.
>Ed
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eh?

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@y...>
wrote:

Ok, well I guess the issue is you are not asking the right

question, or not getting the answer you want. The answer is your
choices are unacceptable. Honor vs Silly/stupid whatever. Perhaps
Strategically sound vs unsound.

But then again if the enemy has treated one well and

with "honor/honour/ornery or lets say "respect" my words, then that
would weigh upon whether honor is even part of the equation.

Just as terrorists, criminals, and madmen do not apply to the

Geneva Convention, the wording of your poll does not apply to the
question.

Now try an objective poll and maybe it will be answerable. But to

ask someone to insult a desision or idealize one without any details
makes no sense but rather speaks volumes as to ones mindset.

For instance one would be led to think you do not think one can be

honorable/honourable and silly at the same time. Perhaps in one
persons mind it is silly while in anothers it is honorable. Kind of
like sacrificing your own life as a soldier so an ungrateful society
can continue. One may see the soldier silly while another resects
his honor/honour. While I find it silly to warn your enemy weeks in
advance (like Fallujah) before you risk soldiers lives, others may
find it honorable to help save the lives of those that shelter your
enemy. While others find nothing honorable but only seek
combativeness.

Socrates would put you through/thru the ringer if you tried such

reasoning with him.

So do you wish to entertain real ideas, or waste ones time?
Your answer is
"#3 IT ALL DEPENDS" Not any Ice Cream flavor
Any further questions please refer to above answer.

Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@r...> wrote:
Again, you guys are the ones writing "Stupid".

And the question was pretty straightforward, has nothing to do

with "Why" to declare... There are millions of "reasons TO"
declare, I've played neutrals 16 times, I know...

The simple question was regarding announcing to your enemy that

you're going to attack them BEFORE you do so. That's it. Every game
is different, every situation is it's own, I'll accept that. But as
a general rule:

Is it the Honourable thing to do? (Commonwealth)
Is it the Honorable thing to do? (American)
Is it Silly to waste your surprise advantage?

You know, a simple Chocolate or Vanilla type choice, so you prefer

pecan butternut swirl...I'm not apologizing for not offering pecan
butternut swirl. I'm also not apologizing for not running my
wording through the "don't mean anything or imply anything lest it
offends someone" committee. This is mostly in jest, meant to be
fun, etc, veil it as you will.

Brad the Simpleton

Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@y...> wrote:

I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why

and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid.
The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.

Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

John Briggs wrote:
wow you guys must be bored!

JB

--- Ovatha Easterling wrote:
> Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
> Ed
>
> >From: Brad Brunet
> >Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
> >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >Ovatha Easterling wrote:
> >
> >Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
> whatever it is you want
> >to determine. While I can see the poll author is
> British, here in the
> >States we are afflicted with polls that are
> intended to provide a
> >pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
> them.
> >Ed
> >
> > >From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:
> mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Subject:
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I thought it was all comedy...

Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com> wrote:Not entirely unlike me... Mind you, I think the Socrates line is supposed to be comedy...??

I think you hit a nerve there Brad.

Joe Aragon wrote:Ok, well I guess the issue is you are not asking the right question, or not getting the answer you want. The answer is your choices are unacceptable. Honor vs Silly/stupid whatever. Perhaps Strategically sound vs unsound.
But then again if the enemy has treated one well and with "honor/honour/ornery or lets say "respect" my words, then that would weigh upon whether honor is even part of the equation.
Just as terrorists, criminals, and madmen do not apply to the Geneva Convention, the wording of your poll does not apply to the question.
Now try an objective poll and maybe it will be answerable. But to ask someone to insult a desision or idealize one without any details makes no sense but rather speaks volumes as to ones mindset.
For instance one would be led to think you do not think one can be honorable/honourable and silly at the same time. Perhaps in one persons mind it is silly while in anothers it is honorable. Kind of like sacrificing your own life as a soldier so an ungrateful society can continue. One may see the soldier silly while another resects his honor/honour. While I find it silly to warn your enemy weeks in advance (like Fallujah) before you risk soldiers lives, others may find it honorable to help save the lives of those that shelter your enemy. While others find nothing honorable but only seek combativeness.
Socrates would put you through/thru the ringer if you tried such reasoning with him.
So do you wish to entertain real ideas, or waste ones time?
Your answer is
"#3 IT ALL DEPENDS" Not any Ice Cream flavor
Any further questions please refer to above answer.

Brad Brunet wrote:
Again, you guys are the ones writing "Stupid".

And the question was pretty straightforward, has nothing to do with "Why" to declare... There are millions of "reasons TO" declare, I've played neutrals 16 times, I know...

The simple question was regarding announcing to your enemy that you're going to attack them BEFORE you do so. That's it. Every game is different, every situation is it's own, I'll accept that. But as a general rule:

Is it the Honourable thing to do? (Commonwealth)
Is it the Honorable thing to do? (American)
Is it Silly to waste your surprise advantage?

You know, a simple Chocolate or Vanilla type choice, so you prefer pecan butternut swirl...I'm not apologizing for not offering pecan butternut swirl. I'm also not apologizing for not running my wording through the "don't mean anything or imply anything lest it offends someone" committee. This is mostly in jest, meant to be fun, etc, veil it as you will.

Brad the Simpleton

Joe Aragon wrote:

I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

John Briggs wrote:
wow you guys must be bored!

JB

--- Ovatha Easterling wrote:

···

Drukarzun <drukarzun@yahoo.com> wrote:

Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
Ed

>From: Brad Brunet
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
>
>I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
>
>Brad
>
>Ovatha Easterling wrote:
>
>Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
whatever it is you want
>to determine. While I can see the poll author is
British, here in the
>States we are afflicted with polls that are
intended to provide a
>pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
them.
>Ed
>
> >From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:
mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Subject:
[mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
> >Date: 14 Apr 2005 20:25:10 -0000
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Umm seriously guys umm get a life. A. This is a Game. B. It was just a silly poll. C. THIS IS A GAME. NOT REAL LIFE.

To answer your question Brad it most cases I think it is wrong not to declare your intentions, but there are times when I am feeling like a B-word that I cannot use here that I will use the suprise attack.

Vanya the unmentionable on public forums

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Aragon
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 1:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist

  Ok, well I guess the issue is you are not asking the right question, or not getting the answer you want. The answer is your choices are unacceptable. Honor vs Silly/stupid whatever. Perhaps Strategically sound vs unsound.
  But then again if the enemy has treated one well and with "honor/honour/ornery or lets say "respect" my words, then that would weigh upon whether honor is even part of the equation.
  Just as terrorists, criminals, and madmen do not apply to the Geneva Convention, the wording of your poll does not apply to the question.
  Now try an objective poll and maybe it will be answerable. But to ask someone to insult a desision or idealize one without any details makes no sense but rather speaks volumes as to ones mindset.
  For instance one would be led to think you do not think one can be honorable/honourable and silly at the same time. Perhaps in one persons mind it is silly while in anothers it is honorable. Kind of like sacrificing your own life as a soldier so an ungrateful society can continue. One may see the soldier silly while another resects his honor/honour. While I find it silly to warn your enemy weeks in advance (like Fallujah) before you risk soldiers lives, others may find it honorable to help save the lives of those that shelter your enemy. While others find nothing honorable but only seek combativeness.
  Socrates would put you through/thru the ringer if you tried such reasoning with him.
  So do you wish to entertain real ideas, or waste ones time?
  Your answer is
  "#3 IT ALL DEPENDS" Not any Ice Cream flavor
  Any further questions please refer to above answer.

  Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com> wrote:
  Again, you guys are the ones writing "Stupid".

  And the question was pretty straightforward, has nothing to do with "Why" to declare... There are millions of "reasons TO" declare, I've played neutrals 16 times, I know...

  The simple question was regarding announcing to your enemy that you're going to attack them BEFORE you do so. That's it. Every game is different, every situation is it's own, I'll accept that. But as a general rule:

  Is it the Honourable thing to do? (Commonwealth)
  Is it the Honorable thing to do? (American)
  Is it Silly to waste your surprise advantage?

  You know, a simple Chocolate or Vanilla type choice, so you prefer pecan butternut swirl...I'm not apologizing for not offering pecan butternut swirl. I'm also not apologizing for not running my wording through the "don't mean anything or imply anything lest it offends someone" committee. This is mostly in jest, meant to be fun, etc, veil it as you will.

  Brad the Simpleton

  Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:

  I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
  Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

  John Briggs wrote:
  wow you guys must be bored!

  JB

  --- Ovatha Easterling wrote:
  > Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
  > Ed
  >
  > >From: Brad Brunet
  > >Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  > >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  > >Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
  > >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
  > >
  > >I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
  > >
  > >Brad
  > >
  > >Ovatha Easterling wrote:
  > >
  > >Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
  > whatever it is you want
  > >to determine. While I can see the poll author is
  > British, here in the
  > >States we are afflicted with polls that are
  > intended to provide a
  > >pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
  > them.
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If one had a life they would not respond to tell others to get a life.
All the world is a game, just the rules vary. Should take none of it too serious. Are you telling me taxes is not a game? Please...
So smile and live your own as best as you can...

Umm seriously guys umm get a life. A. This is a Game. B. It was just a silly poll. C. THIS IS A GAME. NOT REAL LIFE.

To answer your question Brad it most cases I think it is wrong not to declare your intentions, but there are times when I am feeling like a B-word that I cannot use here that I will use the suprise attack.

Vanya the unmentionable on public forums

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Aragon
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 1:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist

  Ok, well I guess the issue is you are not asking the right question, or not getting the answer you want. The answer is your choices are unacceptable. Honor vs Silly/stupid whatever. Perhaps Strategically sound vs unsound.
  But then again if the enemy has treated one well and with "honor/honour/ornery or lets say "respect" my words, then that would weigh upon whether honor is even part of the equation.
  Just as terrorists, criminals, and madmen do not apply to the Geneva Convention, the wording of your poll does not apply to the question.
  Now try an objective poll and maybe it will be answerable. But to ask someone to insult a desision or idealize one without any details makes no sense but rather speaks volumes as to ones mindset.
  For instance one would be led to think you do not think one can be honorable/honourable and silly at the same time. Perhaps in one persons mind it is silly while in anothers it is honorable. Kind of like sacrificing your own life as a soldier so an ungrateful society can continue. One may see the soldier silly while another resects his honor/honour. While I find it silly to warn your enemy weeks in advance (like Fallujah) before you risk soldiers lives, others may find it honorable to help save the lives of those that shelter your enemy. While others find nothing honorable but only seek combativeness.
  Socrates would put you through/thru the ringer if you tried such reasoning with him.
  So do you wish to entertain real ideas, or waste ones time?
  Your answer is
  "#3 IT ALL DEPENDS" Not any Ice Cream flavor
  Any further questions please refer to above answer.

  Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com> wrote:
  Again, you guys are the ones writing "Stupid".

  And the question was pretty straightforward, has nothing to do with "Why" to declare... There are millions of "reasons TO" declare, I've played neutrals 16 times, I know...

  The simple question was regarding announcing to your enemy that you're going to attack them BEFORE you do so. That's it. Every game is different, every situation is it's own, I'll accept that. But as a general rule:

  Is it the Honourable thing to do? (Commonwealth)
  Is it the Honorable thing to do? (American)
  Is it Silly to waste your surprise advantage?

  You know, a simple Chocolate or Vanilla type choice, so you prefer pecan butternut swirl...I'm not apologizing for not offering pecan butternut swirl. I'm also not apologizing for not running my wording through the "don't mean anything or imply anything lest it offends someone" committee. This is mostly in jest, meant to be fun, etc, veil it as you will.

  Brad the Simpleton

  Joe Aragon <nkingdom2005@yahoo.com> wrote:

  I cannot reply to such limited choices. The variables as to why and how neutrals declare I believe transcends Honourable-Vs-Stupid. The thought process involved needs more than 2 boxes by my book.
  Is this a poll or a veiled statement?

  John Briggs wrote:
  wow you guys must be bored!

  JB

  --- Ovatha Easterling wrote:
  > Someone who really dosn't care what the answers are.
  > Ed
  >
  > >From: Brad Brunet
  > >Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  > >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  > >Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] New poll for mepbmlist
  > >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
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  > >I'm not British, thanks. What else can you see?
  > >
  > >Brad
  > >
  > >Ovatha Easterling wrote:
  > >
  > >Using emotionally loaded terms won't help determine
  > whatever it is you want
  > >to determine. While I can see the poll author is
  > British, here in the
  > >States we are afflicted with polls that are
  > intended to provide a
  > >pre-determined result. Hence most people ignore
  > them.
  > >Ed
  > >
  > > >From: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Reply-To:
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  > > >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com Subject:
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a silly poll. C. THIS IS A GAME. NOT REAL LIFE.

how?...

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Umm seriously guys umm get a life. A. This is a Game. B. It was just