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There has been some discussion about how
to get players of Middle Earth more
involved in discussions.
Obviously there are a variety of
possible forums (fora for the pedantic
amongst us) suitable for MEPBM
discussions.
This Poll is an attempt to discover what
you, the players, think - not just the
chatty ones who usually write in!
Which of the following options would you
like to see? Please feel free to select
more than one of the options listed
below.
o Bree - monthly (PDF)
o Bree - weekly (email)
o The Yahoo mailing list
o The on-line Message Board
o An interactive website
o I'm not interested in siscussions, I want to play the game!
o Other ...
I guess I haven't really chimed in on a player rating system because I
lacked the interest in it.
Having pondered it on and off, I'm more against it, than in favor of it.
Maybe its because I'm
against being 'rated' in yet another area of life. Here is an alternative
solution that MAY
solve some problems...
1) All games are either "Casual Play" or "Tournament Play". Harlequin would
have to decide when
where why and how they would want to run a tournament. Clearly, players
could submit requests, but
when all is said and done, its up to Harley. I would believe "Invitationals"
or "Round Robins" could be popular, but lengthy, to play in.
2) Whenever you play in a Casual Play game, you get a point. If you are on
the winning team, you
get 2 points. If you drop out (Not "are eliminated/concede") you lose a
point. Your point total is posted.
Yes: this means someone who plays in ten games and loses each one has as
many points as someone
who plays 5 games and wins each one. However, if you drop games on a regular
basis you won't ever get any
real point value.
3) Whenever you play in a Tournament Play game you get Tournament Points. At
the end of each tournament,
each player votes for who THEY thought did the best job on their side, and
who did the best job on the other
side (1000 games probably also have to vote for a neutral). You get 1
Tournament Point for each Tournament
you are in, 2 if you Win, -1 if you drop out, and 1 bonus point for EACH
VOTE YOU RECEIVE.
This isn't quite as detailed and is more 'ebayish' than the regular PRS
being tossed around, but
1) It punishes the join and droppers and
2) It rewards the top players who play in tournaments on a regular basis.
I'm certainly not raining on anyone elses Idea for a PRS, just posting my
alternative thoughts.
I guess I haven't really chimed in on a player rating system because I
lacked the interest in it.
Having pondered it on and off, I'm more against it, than in favor of it.
Maybe its because I'm
against being 'rated' in yet another area of life. Here is an alternative
solution that MAY
solve some problems...
1) All games are either "Casual Play" or "Tournament Play". Harlequin
would
have to decide when
where why and how they would want to run a tournament. Clearly, players
could submit requests, but
when all is said and done, its up to Harley. I would believe
"Invitationals"
or "Round Robins" could be popular, but lengthy, to play in.
2) Whenever you play in a Casual Play game, you get a point. If you are on
the winning team, you
get 2 points. If you drop out (Not "are eliminated/concede") you lose a
point. Your point total is posted.
Yes: this means someone who plays in ten games and loses each one has as
many points as someone
who plays 5 games and wins each one. However, if you drop games on a
regular
basis you won't ever get any
real point value.
3) Whenever you play in a Tournament Play game you get Tournament Points.
At
···
the end of each tournament,
each player votes for who THEY thought did the best job on their side, and
who did the best job on the other
side (1000 games probably also have to vote for a neutral). You get 1
Tournament Point for each Tournament
you are in, 2 if you Win, -1 if you drop out, and 1 bonus point for EACH
VOTE YOU RECEIVE.
This isn't quite as detailed and is more 'ebayish' than the regular PRS
being tossed around, but
1) It punishes the join and droppers and
2) It rewards the top players who play in tournaments on a regular basis.
I'm certainly not raining on anyone elses Idea for a PRS, just posting my
alternative thoughts.
[alternative player rating system where players earn points
for playing in games, and lose them for dropping.]
Actually, quite a good idea. Most likely the EASIEST to put
into operation, presuming everyone won't mind starting off
at 0 from the present...unless you believe the self reports:
"I have played in 53 games in the last 2 years, and my team
won in 47 of them, and i dropped only one game..yeah..."
Personally, I like this. And I agree w/ bb's comment re: "from this day
forward." Might even give some of those "antediluvian types" an incentive to be
more active.
$.02
b
Middle Earth PBM Games wrote:
···
Doable.
Clint
> I guess I haven't really chimed in on a player rating system because I
> lacked the interest in it.
> Having pondered it on and off, I'm more against it, than in favor of it.
> Maybe its because I'm
> against being 'rated' in yet another area of life. Here is an alternative
> solution that MAY
> solve some problems...
>
> 1) All games are either "Casual Play" or "Tournament Play". Harlequin
would
> have to decide when
> where why and how they would want to run a tournament. Clearly, players
> could submit requests, but
> when all is said and done, its up to Harley. I would believe
"Invitationals"
> or "Round Robins" could be popular, but lengthy, to play in.
>
> 2) Whenever you play in a Casual Play game, you get a point. If you are on
> the winning team, you
> get 2 points. If you drop out (Not "are eliminated/concede") you lose a
> point. Your point total is posted.
> Yes: this means someone who plays in ten games and loses each one has as
> many points as someone
> who plays 5 games and wins each one. However, if you drop games on a
regular
> basis you won't ever get any
> real point value.
>
> 3) Whenever you play in a Tournament Play game you get Tournament Points.
At
> the end of each tournament,
> each player votes for who THEY thought did the best job on their side, and
> who did the best job on the other
> side (1000 games probably also have to vote for a neutral). You get 1
> Tournament Point for each Tournament
> you are in, 2 if you Win, -1 if you drop out, and 1 bonus point for EACH
> VOTE YOU RECEIVE.
>
> This isn't quite as detailed and is more 'ebayish' than the regular PRS
> being tossed around, but
> 1) It punishes the join and droppers and
> 2) It rewards the top players who play in tournaments on a regular basis.
>
> I'm certainly not raining on anyone elses Idea for a PRS, just posting my
> alternative thoughts.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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>
>
Personally, I like this. And I agree w/ bb's comment re: "from this day
forward." Might even give some of those "antediluvian types" an incentive
to be
more active.
$.02
b
Middle Earth PBM Games wrote:
> Doable.
>
> Clint
> > I guess I haven't really chimed in on a player rating system because I
> > lacked the interest in it.
> > Having pondered it on and off, I'm more against it, than in favor of
it.
> > Maybe its because I'm
> > against being 'rated' in yet another area of life. Here is an
alternative
> > solution that MAY
> > solve some problems...
> >
> > 1) All games are either "Casual Play" or "Tournament Play". Harlequin
> would
> > have to decide when
> > where why and how they would want to run a tournament. Clearly,
players
> > could submit requests, but
> > when all is said and done, its up to Harley. I would believe
> "Invitationals"
> > or "Round Robins" could be popular, but lengthy, to play in.
> >
> > 2) Whenever you play in a Casual Play game, you get a point. If you
are on
> > the winning team, you
> > get 2 points. If you drop out (Not "are eliminated/concede") you lose
a
> > point. Your point total is posted.
> > Yes: this means someone who plays in ten games and loses each one has
as
> > many points as someone
> > who plays 5 games and wins each one. However, if you drop games on a
> regular
> > basis you won't ever get any
> > real point value.
> >
> > 3) Whenever you play in a Tournament Play game you get Tournament
Points.
> At
> > the end of each tournament,
> > each player votes for who THEY thought did the best job on their side,
and
> > who did the best job on the other
> > side (1000 games probably also have to vote for a neutral). You get 1
> > Tournament Point for each Tournament
> > you are in, 2 if you Win, -1 if you drop out, and 1 bonus point for
EACH
> > VOTE YOU RECEIVE.
> >
> > This isn't quite as detailed and is more 'ebayish' than the regular
PRS
> > being tossed around, but
> > 1) It punishes the join and droppers and
> > 2) It rewards the top players who play in tournaments on a regular
basis.
> >
> > I'm certainly not raining on anyone elses Idea for a PRS, just posting
my
> > alternative thoughts.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > Middle Earth PBM - hit reply to send to everyone
> > To Unsubscribe: http://www.yahoogroups.com
> > Website: http://www.MiddleEarthGames.com
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
I agree with Jeff. I also never really got into the "Player Rating System" being
discussed. The one Jeff suggests would seem like a better idea overall, but a couple
things would need to be spelled out clearly.
···
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DROP CRITERIA:
PLAYER A: Joins the game and is very brash and vocal about his incredible skills as a
national leader. However, as soon as any significant resistance is encountered and
he's not rolling over his foes, he decides he isn't having fun anymore and drops a
perfectly good position on turn 11.
PLAYER B: Starts out surrounded by his enemies, but sticks it out anyway and hangs on
tooth and nail. He is unable to get a backup MjrTown from his allies, (his emmys were
challenged/assassinated). When he gets his turn 5 results, he finds he has lost his
town and village, has 5 characters left, and has 2 HUGE armies on his capital. He
realizes that there is no way he can possibly survive the turn, and decides that
there's no point in paying for another turn just to get a printout of his butt getting
kicked, so he sends Harlequin his drop notice.
Do both players get treated the same? (ie; A -1 in the below rating system?)
I'm not sure Harlequin could differentiate "sensible" drops from frivolous ones with
any degree of certainty, unless they looked over the the position carefully. Now, if
Harlequin does this anyway (to determine whether a position is viable for a standby),
then perhaps this would be the criteria. If a position is dropped and picked up by a
standby, then the original player gets the -1 point. (Though I must say that I've seen
some of the "viable" standby positions picked up, and was stunned that anyone thought
these were worthy of a standby.)
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GAME STARTERS VS. GAME FINISHERS:
Do you get your 2 points for a team victory if you get knocked out (not dropped)
before the end game? I'm sure most of you know that a player can play a great game, be
a great team player, and simply get swamped by a concerted effort by the enemy. Should
that player lose a point because he was targetted, or should he be given 2 points when
he didn't make it to the end?
PLAYER B: Starts out surrounded by his enemies, but sticks it out anyway and hangs on
tooth and nail. He is unable to get a backup MjrTown from his allies, (his emmys were
challenged/assassinated). When he gets his turn 5 results, he finds he has lost his
town and village, has 5 characters left, and has 2 HUGE armies on his capital. He
realizes that there is no way he can possibly survive the turn, and decides that
there's no point in paying for another turn just to get a printout of his butt getting
kicked, so he sends Harlequin his drop notice.
Mike has a good point on this one. I think it's also important to note when an entire side drops as a concession -- this should count as a loss, not a drop.
jason
···
--
Jason Bennett, jasonab@acm.org
Software developer, cryptography buff, gamer
Believer in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord
> Personally, I like this. And I agree w/ bb's comment re: "from this day
> forward." Might even give some of those "antediluvian types" an
incentive
to be
> more active.
>
> $.02
>
> b
>
> Middle Earth PBM Games wrote:
>
> > Doable.
> >
> > Clint
> > > I guess I haven't really chimed in on a player rating system because
I
> > > lacked the interest in it.
> > > Having pondered it on and off, I'm more against it, than in favor of
it.
> > > Maybe its because I'm
> > > against being 'rated' in yet another area of life. Here is an
alternative
> > > solution that MAY
> > > solve some problems...
> > >
> > > 1) All games are either "Casual Play" or "Tournament Play".
Harlequin
> > would
> > > have to decide when
> > > where why and how they would want to run a tournament. Clearly,
players
> > > could submit requests, but
> > > when all is said and done, its up to Harley. I would believe
> > "Invitationals"
> > > or "Round Robins" could be popular, but lengthy, to play in.
> > >
> > > 2) Whenever you play in a Casual Play game, you get a point. If you
are on
> > > the winning team, you
> > > get 2 points. If you drop out (Not "are eliminated/concede") you
lose
a
> > > point. Your point total is posted.
> > > Yes: this means someone who plays in ten games and loses each one
has
as
> > > many points as someone
> > > who plays 5 games and wins each one. However, if you drop games on a
> > regular
> > > basis you won't ever get any
> > > real point value.
> > >
> > > 3) Whenever you play in a Tournament Play game you get Tournament
Points.
> > At
> > > the end of each tournament,
> > > each player votes for who THEY thought did the best job on their
side,
and
> > > who did the best job on the other
> > > side (1000 games probably also have to vote for a neutral). You get
1
> > > Tournament Point for each Tournament
> > > you are in, 2 if you Win, -1 if you drop out, and 1 bonus point for
EACH
> > > VOTE YOU RECEIVE.
> > >
> > > This isn't quite as detailed and is more 'ebayish' than the regular
PRS
> > > being tossed around, but
> > > 1) It punishes the join and droppers and
> > > 2) It rewards the top players who play in tournaments on a regular
basis.
> > >
> > > I'm certainly not raining on anyone elses Idea for a PRS, just
Actually, quite a good idea. Most likely the EASIEST to put
into operation, presuming everyone won't mind starting off
at 0 from the present...unless you believe the self reports:
"I have played in 53 games in the last 2 years, and my team
won in 47 of them, and i dropped only one game..yeah..."
bb
So, you've read my bio? (grin)...
No, you are correct. You'd have to start with a big reset button.
Hi Mike: Here's my thoughts on your thoughts on my thoughts...
------------------
DROP CRITERIA:
A drop is a drop is a drop. You are in until you
1) Win
2) Lose
3) Concede. See 2, above.
Harsh, but simple. I mean, I've been in a game LITERALLY where I have 2
popcenters left, and
am now struggling to continue. But wow, is it tooth and nail...
------------------
GAME STARTERS VS. GAME FINISHERS:
Do you get your 2 points for a team victory if you get knocked
out (not dropped)before the end game?
In my opinion, the player gets one point if knocked out. To get 2 points "ya
gots ta be there at the end", so to speak. However, getting knocked out CAN
be a strategic part of the game so I'm not particularly married to one
position or the other in my mind...
